https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shelby-1968-ORIGINAL-4-Speed-Shift-Knob-Wood-Grain/392180854252?hash=item5b4fccedec:g:gpQAAOSwUWtb~EV1
Add this one in there too. Hmmmm..... https://www.ebay.com/itm/153280461447?ul_noapp=true (https://www.ebay.com/itm/153280461447?ul_noapp=true)
Brian,
The knob is being sold in WA state , the land of $10,000 '66 GT350 hoods and $25 carb wing nuts. When the either wears off it could bring $100.
Randy
Someone got sold some bad information
Not the correct knob for the box either
J.R. Bert must have been screwed by Pookie before "this poor seller" bought it from him. ;) At least he has a case to protect it now. Wait , is that a loud sucking sound I hear?????
Quote from: gt350hr on November 28, 2018, 10:30:20 AM
Brian,
The knob is being sold in WA state , the land of $10,000 '66 GT350 hoods and $25 carb wing nuts. When the either wears off it could bring $100.
Randy
The knob is free. The hermetically sealed case is $2,300. It is a scaled down version of the one Michael Jackson slept in.
Its amazing someone is so confused, even the original knob in that box would be half the asking price
I'm telling you Pete it's the Washington surcharge! No '66 hood in the WORLD is worth $10K but that's the asking price in WA. ::)
Quote from: gt350hr on November 28, 2018, 05:41:56 PM
I'm telling you Pete it's the Washington surcharge! No '66 hood in the WORLD is worth $10K but that's the asking price in WA. ::)
Are you talking about the hood I sold almost 2 years ago now? ;)
Quote from: gt350hr on November 28, 2018, 05:41:56 PM
I'm telling you Pete it's the Washington surcharge! No '66 hood in the WORLD is worth $10K but that's the asking price in WA. ::)
Hi Randy,
Washington is not the only one. There is a SAI OEM hood in Pennsylvanian for much more at $11,500. That is crazy as well.
Take care
Cory
And I was starting to think the intake was an ok price..... https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHELBY-Mustang-GT350-Cobra-Fairlane-289-302-Aluminum-Intake-S2MS9424A-Original/153279246288?hash=item23b027afd0:g:FCIAAOSwYd5b~KI~:rk:8:pf:0
I think pan is overpriced......https://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-SHELBY-COBRA-OEM-OIL-PAN-289-HP-302-GT-350-ALUMINUM-DEEP-FRONT-SUMP-HI-PO/153280504282?hash=item23b03ae1da:g:Be4AAOSw-GNb~enG:rk:1:pf:0
Over the counter parts..never original to any car....never worth that much..... ::)
Quote from: Wedgeman on November 29, 2018, 02:15:56 AM
Over the counter parts..never original to any car....never worth that much..... ::)
+1
Quote from: C6ZZGT on November 29, 2018, 01:52:07 AM
And I was starting to think the intake was an ok price..... https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHELBY-Mustang-GT350-Cobra-Fairlane-289-302-Aluminum-Intake-S2MS9424A-Original/153279246288?hash=item23b027afd0:g:FCIAAOSwYd5b~KI~:rk:8:pf:0
Major weld right in your face will make this one a tough one to sell. It could be ground down, smoothed and sand blasted to tone down, but ouch.
Cory
Quote from: silverton_ford on November 28, 2018, 10:03:56 AM
Add this one in there too. Hmmmm..... https://www.ebay.com/itm/153280461447?ul_noapp=true (https://www.ebay.com/itm/153280461447?ul_noapp=true)
Wow, that is surprising. I've got two which are in just as good of condition if anyone is interested? Each has a different diameter on the bottom. But seriously, everyone should recognize this from the Shelby aftermarket catalog. I love trying to find items from it. It's getting harder and harder each year, but no way is a shift knob worth that!
Do you have a picture of the knob in question in a vintage catalog?
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 29, 2018, 08:15:56 AM
Do you have a picture of the knob in question in a vintage catalog?
Sure Pete, obviously I'm only talking about the walnut shift knob that's in the plexiglass display box.
This is from the same 'Michigan catalog'.
Excellent! Gold star for the day!
I've been admiring those wood automatic trans shift levers for some time. The ones with the little Snake in the wood. Anyone know of a source for a repop one? I check on Ebay once in a while, but never seem to bounce into one.
Don't worry, its for my clone. My real 67 is a 4 speed car.
The T handle is still made by the original manufacturer here in So Cal so they are more like "continuation" parts IMHO they are indistinguishable from earlier production parts. Virginia Classic Mustang is a great source + Branda and others carry them.
I am waiting for "Original air taken from a '65 blue dot tire $100 per cc". "For the ultimate concours car".
Quote from: gt350hr on November 29, 2018, 10:45:03 AM
I am waiting for "Original air taken from a '65 blue dot tire $100 per cc". "For the ultimate concours car".
;D
Quote from: gt350hr on November 29, 2018, 10:31:18 AM
The T handle is still made by the original manufacturer here in So Cal so they are more like "continuation" parts IMHO they are indistinguishable from earlier production parts. Virginia Classic Mustang is a great source + Branda and others carry them.
Randy, FYI Branda hasn't carried the wooden shift handle for about 4 years now. They said it is unavailable from the MFG. Virginia Mustang nor any of the other vendors carry it that I am aware of ether. That is why the price for them has gone up on ebay and the like.
Bob I guess that means it's time to pull the one off of 6S477! It's been on there for 40+ years but there is no reason to keep the right car from having one. I can understand why ACSCO is making them, Tom doesn't care anymore. Too busy making LED lights for Hyundai and Toyota . Sad indeed.
Randy
Just for illustration purposes, here are the original technical drawings.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-301118132616.jpeg)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-301118132528.jpeg)
Quote from: roddster on November 29, 2018, 10:17:07 AM
I've been admiring those wood automatic trans shift levers for some time. The ones with the little Snake in the wood. Anyone know of a source for a repop one? I check on Ebay once in a while, but never seem to bounce into one.
Don't worry, its for my clone. My real 67 is a 4 speed car.
Did you see this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-1968-Shelby-Mustang-GT500KR-Automatic-Shifter-Knob-Handle/233022239146?hash=item36413531aa:g:RiUAAOSwZ1hb~Jo~:rk:2:pf:0
OK I'm putting my used original , given to be by the owner of ACSCO , who was PERSONAL friends with CS and is a real 427 Cobra owner for the "give it away price of $3, 000 plus shipping . No tire kickers , hallucinations, flippers, pookies . I mean business here!
Ya'll have a great weekend , I'm of to the Pomona Swap meet for R&R.
Randy
Anyone in serious need of the t handle I have is welcome to PM me for an "off air" price , LOL
Well hi guys. Sorry for stalking you.
This is actually shorter than it looks.
Dave Obee here with the shift knob for sale. Thank you for all your comments all's good.
I have many questions for Pete or any one else if you could help.
Please do help inform me when you done laughing. :)
I'll share a very interesting coincidence.
Please anyone share their shift knob exactly like mine in its original box and a part number. Or a good clear picture of it in a old over the counter catalog.
Brian please share the pictures of your two.
Help me out here is my unanswered correspondence with Pete. I totally understand he has things to do, so the rest of you might help me?
Thank You Pete.
Do you know the part number of this shift knob? Is it a over the counter Ford Part? Is it an original design for any model? I didn't find this design in my internet search or any like it being for sale or sold. Besides the picture on your website, shift knob pictures or descriptions are hard to find. I did the best internet search I could. I got this after J.R. passed so I did not get to speak with him about it. He was a good friend and customer of mine.
What do you think about the oil pan?
Thank you again David.
Reply:
I love the pan, but I must admit, I dont know a lot about the non production parts. The over the counter the stuff is very cool. I think your knob is in this ad?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-SHELBY-COBRA-VILEM-B-HAAN-SPORTS-CAR-ACCESSORIES-ORIGINAL-2-PG-PRINT-AD/273534141497?hash=item3fafe7c439:g:yt4AAOSwH71XPb6y:sc:USPSFirstClass!53508!US!-1
Interestingly, the cobra knob on the web page i showed you earlier, was probably never used on Shelbys . I suspect it was too late for production or they couldnt get a good supply. But, they are rare, especially with the S8MS box,
Pete
Thank you again Pete.
The picture you sent of the catalog had no discernible detail of a shift knob and barely readable at all. I found the exact pictures on the web with no detail.
I read the post on SAAC and I could not open the attachment Brian Glover noted in the Michigan catalog. I hope you don't think I'm being argumentative I do appreciate the help. I hope the note in my listing isn't offensive either.
Here is the listing for a KR500 I found where I came up with a price to answer Brian's comment :
" this GT500 KR is simply spectacular throughout. Proper component and product labels and painstakingly reproduced assembly-line paint and inspection markings are found throughout the car. Other impressive details include the extremely rare NOS walnut 4-speed shifter knob with cast "Cobra" motif, which is reported to have a current value of some $2,500 alone! In addition to the aforementioned Elite Marti Report, this KR Convertible is also complete with a copy of the original Shelby dealer invoice, plus the original factory build sheet and an album documenting the car's restoration including rubbings of the"
And yes no pictures on that listing of the shift knob, and yes who "reportedly " estimated the value?
Do you have a value of the one that belongs in that box? or the value of the one I have ?
I have looked though the catalogs that I could on line and did not find a picture of your silver medallion shift knob either.
I have your email address from you website. Would you rather I send you a note on your web page and we can talk there and quit bothering Ebay?
Thank you again. David Obee
As far as the value this is all I have to go on. Who appraised this one? I don't know, How much is the one on the Coral snake page worth? Anyone?
An old listing. And again as far as the pricing I'm glad I didn't pay 180 for a reserve on the auction. This may be effective if you guys help out.
https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=74632¤t_index=0&total_results=486&auction_pk=102&=&caryear=&caryearto=&search_text=&page=&showpage=2
Vehicle to be offered for Auction sale January 15th – 19th, 2014 at Russo and Steele's 14th Annual Scottsdale Arizona Auction. Please contact us for more information.
Although Shelby American's 360-horsepower, 428 cubic-inch GT500 was already a formidable performer, a new version was unleashed for 1968 – the provocatively named "King of the Road" or "KR" – powered by Ford's hot new Cobra Jet 428 engine. Suspiciously rated at 335 horsepower to avoid the growing ire of the insurance companies but in fact pumping out at least 400 ponies and 440 foot-pounds of tire-melting torque, the CJ included a 735-cfm Holley carburetor and low-riser 427 heads along with a beefier crank, rods, and pistons. Additionally, the KR had larger brakes, under-hood suspension bracing, and staggered rear shocks to prevent axle wind-up and wheel hop under hard acceleration. A handsome convertible – Shelby's first – was also now available in limited numbers.
According to its accompanying Elite Marti Report, this GT500 KR is one of the 1,571 GT500 KRs built for 1968 and one of just 518 Convertibles produced. A special-order car, this original Highland Green GT500 KR Convertible was equipped with performance options including a rare and highly desirable four-speed Toploader manual transmission and a 3.50:1 Traction-Lok rear-end. Features and options included AM radio, GT Equipment Group, Interior Décor Group, power front disc brakes and steering, Saddle upholstery, Tilt-Away steering wheel, Visibility Group, a white power convertible top with a glass backlight, and shoulder harnesses. Following completion on July 15, 1968 at Ford's Metuchen, New Jersey Assembly Plant, the KR was delivered the next day to Jack Gibbons City Ford Inc. of Watchung, New Jersey for sale to the Shelby's first owner.
According to the current owner, this 1968 Shebly GT500 KR Convertible is believed to be a three-owner car from new. Most recently, an outstanding restoration to showroom condition was performed on the KR. As now offered for sale, this Shelby is truly incredible in its presentation and levels of authenticity, correctness, and detailing throughout the vehicle. From the correct parts, components, and finishes, to the red oxide under-body primer, impeccable chassis and underpinnings, this GT500 KR is simply spectacular throughout. Proper component and product labels and painstakingly reproduced assembly-line paint and inspection markings are found throughout the car. Other impressive details include the extremely rare NOS walnut 4-speed shifter knob with cast "Cobra" motif, which is reported to have a current value of some $2,500 alone! In addition to the aforementioned Elite Marti Report, this KR Convertible is also complete with a copy of the original Shelby dealer invoice, plus the original factory build sheet and an album documenting the car's restoration including rubbings of the Shelby's identification tags prior to restoration. Standing up to the closest scrutiny in every possible respect, this 1968 Shelby GT500 KR Convertible simply "ticks all the boxes" for collector-car excellence with its stunning restoration, presentation, performance, and rarity. As such, it is nothing less than a true "blue chip" collectible automobile that is sure to provide enduring value for its lucky new owner.
As far as the price on the oil pan. in the Sold listings on Ebay. T pan with the VERY common Shelby script SOLD for $1995 and $1600 so that's where I started.
I'm sure well talk more.
Thank you again Sincerely Dave Obee
Just for the convenience, again here are the pictures of mine that Do not match the pictures that Brian Shared.
Also the the blueprint drawing is very hard to read. But take a close look and that part number certainly does not end in 7213-B . something... 1-B maybe?
and as far as the notes , totally unreadable. No top view? Most blueprints have 3 views.
Dear David,
First, let me begin by stating that no one here is trying to make fun of you. I honestly believe that you meant no harm with your eBay ad. Unfortunately it seems that someone mislead you into believing that this wooden shift knob was original equipment for a 1968 Shelby, or that it was an option available through Ford over the counter. When Randy, one of our most veteran members (GT350HR), says that he personally knows the owner of the company that made them for the Shelby American aftermarket catalog (that I shared), you best believe him.
Someone apparently took an original Ford service part box that once held an original 1968 knob, and slipped in this nice wooden knob, encased it in plastic and way over charged you. f you have any questions about 1968 Shelby's, the first resource you should visit without a doubt should be the Coralsnake website. There is a section that describes the correct shift knobs for all 1968's, and you can see what a S8MS-7213-B really should look like:
http://www.thecoralsnake.com/interior.HTML (About half way down the page)
Here is another eBay auction for the correct version of an NOS S8MS-7213-B from one of our member's Bob Perkins.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Nos-1968-Shelby-S8MS-7213-A-4-Speed-shift-knob-Mint-in-Autolite-Box-/251634082718
It's a really cool shift knob, and very collectable. You just have it overpriced by a factor of ten.
Here are some more pictures of the two that I own. One of them is atop the Hurst aftermarket shifter currently installed in my car. Yes, it's incorrect for my 1967 Shelby, but I like it. ;)
The second is loose, so I took some more pictures. Both are identical, except one has a slightly larger mounting diameter hole. Otherwise, they appear exactly identical. I also have a leather wrapped version, as seen in the catalog I shared previously, but it's pretty rough. (I'd love to find a nice version of that if anyone has one for sale?)
You are more than welcome to stick around this forum and learn from the folks who wrote the book about this hobby. I learn something new everyday, that's why I frequent it daily now for over four years.
David just got kicked in the balls, give him a minute to recover. :o
Thanks for coming in the forum. As you have already noticed there is no room for fabrication or tall tales here.
The auction posted for car # 3604 does not have the same shift knob you are selling. The knob on that car is the original version that belongs in the box you have. I would respectfully disagree with the sellers estimate of its value.
That doesnt change the fact that the knob in David's auction is worth $50.
A reproduction of a reproduction
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cobra-reproduction-shift-knob-Satin-Walnut-GT350-GT500-Shelby-Mustang/382375656840?hash=item59075d7d88:g:PggAAOSwbYdaw-sM
I think most people here know, I usually don't come unarmed:
The original Shelby parts listing, does list the knob, The note says added 5/13/68, but original, unrestored cars indicate the knob was never used in production.
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-011218075421.jpeg)
The reason there is no "top drawing" by ACSCO is the emblem was changed for the Cougars. West Coast Cougars offers the Cougar version as a reproduction.
(https://storeimages-westcoastclassic.netdna-ssl.com/sc/images/G4spdknob_1.jpg)
Lastly, here is a close up of # 3604, the car cited above.
Its a terrible example, because the car has been restored and because it has some other very serious issues (as noted in the auction photos). I would not use this car as example of anything "original"
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-011218075351.jpeg)
This appears to be the S8MS-7213-B knob.
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 01, 2018, 07:21:43 AM
David just got kicked in the balls, give him a minute to recover. :o
Thanks for coming in the forum. As you have already noticed there is no room for fabrication or tall tales here.
The auction posted for car # 3604 does not have the same shift knob you are selling. The knob on that car is the original version that belongs in the box you have. I would respectfully disagree with the sellers estimate of its value.
That doesnt change the fact that the knob in David's auction is worth $50.
;D (The first sentence)
Pete sums it right here
Ive had a couple of those knobs over the years . was sold through Shelby Autosport aftermarket program. The correct knobs with the snake and clear overlay didn't last very long on these cars. Think they had an issue with the insert coming out , At one time I had 3 used ones in my bins that were missing the insert
Here are some details of the technical drawing scans that I have.
I am no expert and am just posting these in the hope that it will add to the discussion.
As Pete says, the basic shifter handles were used in the 1968 XR7-G Cougar (also modified at A.O. Smith) and the 1970 Cougar Eliminator with the auto transmission (the manual got a Hurst shifter I believe).
Unless new info has come to light that I'm not aware of, I don't believe the wooden shifter knob for the manual transmission was done in time to install in the G Cougars and was sold over the counter.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-011218091114.jpeg)
And here are some details of the manual knob drawings.
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-011218091217.jpeg)
Pete,
You are spot on in all points,. I do disagree that the knob he has is collectable, at least to folks who collect items from the Shelby/Autosport catalogs. It is worth up to $300. The correct knob also came in Cougar, Cobra and Mustang configurations.
Wouldn't the ethical response be to remove the ad or a least adjust the description/price?
Thank you again for all your responses. I see Chris posted as I was typing. I have added dramatically to the listing the first time Pete and I corresponded. Thank you.
Thank you Brian for Curiously providing me the some information and even an approximate value instead of being defensive. I have only been trying to find out what I have. Not dispute the accuracy of anyone elses parts. Thank you for showing me a Ebay listing of that original one also. Thank you very much sir for the effort you put in for me. I will stick around. Thank you. Phillip Thank you for your time posting the clear blue prints. I've learned a lot with a little bit of help.
Oddly enough someone else has had a very similar experience as myself. The similarities are staggering in the general "odds of this happening"
This person also replied to my Ebay listing. I withheld his name. I don't see him on here unless he uses a handle.
Enjoy.
DAVE,
HERE ARE THE PHOTOS OF THE SHIFTER KNOB THAT MY FRIEND HAS. YES , I EMAILED PETE ABOUT THIS COINCIDENCE. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF FORD/SHELBY PLACED THE KNOBS IN THE FORD BOX OR IF THE OWNERS DID SWITCH OUT THE KNOBS WHEN THE NEW ONE WAS PURCHASED, WHICH IS QUITE COMMON BACK THEN. BUT IT SURE IS COINCIDENTAL THAT BOTH KNOBS, NUTS AND BOXES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AND UNUSED NOS. I HAVE CORRESPONDED WITH PETE FOR MANY YEARS WITH QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO MY DAD'S 68 SHELBY GT500. I HOPE THAT HE GIVES THIS COINCIDENCE SOME THOUGHT AND CAN SOME HOW COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. I REMEMBER WHEN DOING THE RESEARCH I FOUND PHOTOS OF THE SAME KNOB WAS USED ON THE VINTAGE SHELBY RACE TEAM TRUCK HAULER. YOU HAVE A VERY NICE PIECE. REGARDS,
Wow interestingly enough I just received this Email on my listing.
Does anyone have a (Ford Master Parts book (1975) ?
The Email:
I don't normally contact an EBay seller unless I'm interested in their item.
I have been collecting CS Shelby items since 1969. Also, a former CS Shelby Autosport dealer.
The item you have was sold as a Ford service part for a very brief time. The part and the box
with the part number is CORRECT. If you look in the Ford Master Parts book (1975),
this part number went obsolete very early on.
Actually, one of the coolest COBRA walnut shift knobs offered.
I am aware of the other knob in an original box and gave the same response. What are the odds? It happens quite a lot, I wont go into details, but passing of reproduction parts as originals is rampant in the hobby.
If you do stay on the forum, I would guess you will see some pookie references. He is certainly not the only one committing these acts. This eBay seller has a long history of exactly such sheenanigans.
I have several versions of the MPC. It does not show a picture of the knob.
I am not accusing you or your friend of any misdeeds. I do appreciate the fact that Dave is open to the information about his part. I know others may use his listing as reference later. Best of luck.
Dave,
Thanks for being honest and open minded about this situation. I will relate one interesting story about one of the knobs I purchased off of eBay about three years ago. After I did the transaction with the seller and he shipped it to me, he contacted me to make sure that I was satisfied. He was not a dealer of Ford parts as many eBayers are, just a regular Joe.
I told him I was really happy and that I've started collecting these parts. It's much cheaper than trying to own multiple Shelby's. >:(
He than volunteered to me how he 'aquired' the knob in the first place. He said he has had that knob rolling around his sock drawer for over 45 years. Back when he was in high school, he remembers going into his local Ford dealership on his walk back home from school. One day when the dealership was particularly busy, he and his best friend went in and sat in one of the new Shelby's on display in the showroom. He doesn't remember the exact date, only that he graduated in 1970, and that he must have just started high school or so. On a dare from his friend, he unscrewed the shift knob and quickly stuck it in his pocket and ran out of there.
I asked him if he could recall what model or year car it was, but the best he remembers is that it was a convertible, and that it had the crazy taillights (his words), so it must have been a Shelby.
Now I wasn't going to argue with the man saying no Shelby ever came from the factory with this knob. The best I could figure is that someone else may have done the same thing, and the dealership grabbed an aftermarket Autosport knob they were selling and replaced it with that. I'm sure lots of showroom cars had many parts lifted off them in their day, especially a rare car like a Shelby. Folks think I'll never be able to afford a real Shelby, so here is the next best thing.
I have a set of pictures of the Shelby on display at the 1967 Detroit Auto Show in Dec of 1966. It shows an early 1967 GT350 that obviously had both of its red upper scoop light lenses removed, and a G.T. non correct gas cap installed. Either these items were stolen on the show car, or Shelby American removed these items anticipating that they would have been stolen.
I have offered David all the data known about the S8MS shift knob and how it came to be and why it was likely never used on assembly line (not conjecture but facts relayed by Tom@ ASCO) plus what his knob was. He told me unless I gave him pictures etc I had no credibility. I even offered to sell him knobs like his at what his was worth IMO.(under $100)
What to find out what it's worth David? Start new auction with $25 opening bid
Again Thank you TLea. I'm sorry that I don't know you personally. I'm kind of a first name kinda guy. I didn't know your name. You never signed a email.
Thank you for showing up here. If you all would read my posts carefully. I TRY to choose my words wisely. Im looking for information on mine.
lucky for this new technology I can share exactly what I said.
I Never Knocked your credibility. Im working on the credibility and information of what I have here.
Here is that part of our conversation sir:
My comment:
Well I cant sell or revise my listing accurately with this statement from a guy with no name.
Direct quote from you.
"Not ignoring. Just don't have all the Time to go to games through hundreds of piles of documentation to find what you're looking for. I have told you what you have. Right now my word is all can I give you"
It explains it right in my add why it is listed as it is. $185 reserve to start at .99
I will not put this up for $25 and roll the dice.
This is way more interesting. You gave me no help in identifying mine accurately.
I must have missed This E mail " I even offered to sell him knobs like his at what his was worth IMO.(under $100) "
I can post our entire conversation here if you like. Please send that one again.
I love the Story Brian. Thank you. My story is a little different JR was a good friend like I stated. We were going to sell together at the Monroe Automotive swap meet in 2013. We had a great day together Friday night as we prepped our stalls, hung out, shopped others stalls and all around visiting. He passed away that evening at home. I helped out the family for over a year past that point. I built JR's 1970 Fastback for his son to have and helped with the estate. I don't want to share all of the details but I bought a truck load of NOS parts I never knew JR owned. This is just one part.
Maybe some introductions are in order? I know they dont like tooting their own horns...
Tim Lea has probably restored more national championship 1968 Shelbys (and other years) than any other restorer in the country. He has been a national concours judge for decades.
Mr Bob Gaines is a nationally recognized Shelby judge and collector. He has forgotten more about 1968s than most will ever hope to know. He is also a nationally recognized judge.
Bob Perkins is a nationally recognized collector, judge and car restorer. He is often cited in Mustang Monthly and has extensively studied parts since the 1970s.
Scott Fuller is a 1968 Shelby collector and probably has the best unrestored cars in the world. He also remanufacturers parts to exacting specs.
The people that have graciously given you their time, research and opinions are not just "some" guys, like you might find on other forums. They are in fact, the top authorities in the world on these parts.
I am a former SAAC national head judge and have judged since the mid 1990s. I focus almost exclusively on 1968 Shelbys. I also have 10 national championships.
You cant show a car nationally without these people having some type of input. I apologize for leaving others out.
I am sorry you refuse to acknowledge the evidence and remain ignorant, but thats your choice.
If you really believe you are correct, I would encourage you to run it at no reserve. Surely, there are at least two interested parties after all this conversation.
Surely these collectors and judges would have an acute interest in aquiring such a rare item?
Sorry, but I lost my patience...
Pete
David,
You probably are the type of guy that would show up at a gunfight with a butter knife. Foolish thinking. You post part of our conversation to try and discredit me. You forgot your comment before your post above,
"For some reason though you almost totally ignored my questions"
And as far not offering to sell knobs for under $100, no you didn't miss you chose to leave it out to try and make yourself look good. Here's my words again from our conversation
Your previous message
What you have is a knob worth maybe 50 bucks. To back up what I say I will sell you several for 50 each. Not 2300
I think most of us would back Pete, when guys like Tim, Bob G, Bob P and Scott speak I listen. And they are friendly guys who patiently reply time and time again to help others. Credit where it's due
Cheers
Hmmm...
- Phillip
Quote from: GT350Lad on December 02, 2018, 05:56:29 AM
I think most of us would back Pete, when guys like Tim, Bob G, Bob P and Scott speak I listen. And they are friendly guys who patiently reply time and time again to help others. Credit where it's due
Cheers
++++1
I appreciate the support, but dont take my word for it.
The over counter catalog pictures, Shelby parts listing, Shelby blueprints, multiple photos of actual knobs in their original boxes and valuations from previous auctions should be convincing.
That along with the words of some the most influentual people in the hobby, concours judges, Shelby club representatives, forum members and the actual guy that made the knobs, each with over 35 years of experience , should be convincing.
But, I guess all that gets equal weight with some person on the other side of the country that also has an incorrect knob in an original box and someone who has a vague recollection of stealing a knob off a car months or years after the car was built. "What are the odds?"
Reason and logic have left the building.
What something is worth is what someone is willing to pay for it. There will always be those willing to pay for "a story"
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 02, 2018, 08:19:31 AM
I appreciate the support, but dont take my word for it.
The over counter catalog pictures, Shelby parts listing, Shelby blueprints, multiple photos of actual knobs in their original boxes and valuations from previous auctions should be convincing.
That along with the words of some the most influentual people in the hobby, concours judges, Shelby club representatives, forum members and the actual guy that made the knobs, each with over 35 years of experience , should be convincing.
But, I guess all that gets equal weight with some person on the other side of the country that also has an incorrect knob in an original box and someone who has a vague recollection of stealing a knob off a car months or years after the car was built. "What are the odds?"
Reason and logic have left the building.
m
Pete,
I just mentioned the story about the knob being stolen off a showroom car not to support this idiots delusions and justifications for his aberrant price, but instead to show how easily people get confused about an items origins. Please dont think it was to support his attempt to fleece someone on eBay.
At this point, I'm shocked he hasn't just pulled the ad, but obviously he really doesn't care. Oh well.
Quote from: BGlover67 on December 02, 2018, 03:11:52 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 02, 2018, 08:19:31 AM
I appreciate the support, but dont take my word for it.
The over counter catalog pictures, Shelby parts listing, Shelby blueprints, multiple photos of actual knobs in their original boxes and valuations from previous auctions should be convincing.
That along with the words of some the most influentual people in the hobby, concours judges, Shelby club representatives, forum members and the actual guy that made the knobs, each with over 35 years of experience , should be convincing.
But, I guess all that gets equal weight with some person on the other side of the country that also has an incorrect knob in an original box and someone who has a vague recollection of stealing a knob off a car months or years after the car was built. "What are the odds?"
Reason and logic have left the building.
m
Pete,
I just mentioned the story about the knob being stolen off a showroom car not to support this idiots delusions and justifications for his aberrant price, but instead to show how easily people get confused about an items origins. Please dont think it was to support his attempt to fleece someone on eBay.
At this point, I'm shocked he hasn't just pulled the ad, but obviously he really doesn't care. Oh well.
I don't thinks anyone here will misinterpret you offering. Were you aware he added it to the ramblings in his eBay ad??
I dont hold anything against anyone sharing information. The more information, the better.
I think I have done what I can.
Quote from: Chris Thauberger on December 02, 2018, 03:50:36 PM
Quote from: BGlover67 on December 02, 2018, 03:11:52 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 02, 2018, 08:19:31 AM
I appreciate the support, but dont take my word for it.
The over counter catalog pictures, Shelby parts listing, Shelby blueprints, multiple photos of actual knobs in their original boxes and valuations from previous auctions should be convincing.
That along with the words of some the most influentual people in the hobby, concours judges, Shelby club representatives, forum members and the actual guy that made the knobs, each with over 35 years of experience , should be convincing.
But, I guess all that gets equal weight with some person on the other side of the country that also has an incorrect knob in an original box and someone who has a vague recollection of stealing a knob off a car months or years after the car was built. "What are the odds?"
Reason and logic have left the building.
m
Pete,
I just mentioned the story about the knob being stolen off a showroom car not to support this idiots delusions and justifications for his aberrant price, but instead to show how easily people get confused about an items origins. Please dont think it was to support his attempt to fleece someone on eBay.
At this point, I'm shocked he hasn't just pulled the ad, but obviously he really doesn't care. Oh well.
I don't thinks anyone here will misinterpret you offering. Were you aware he added it to the ramblings in his eBay ad??
No, I wasn't. But I'm not surprised.
Pete Thank you very much for the introductions.
I sincerely apologize for offending In any way I may have. I understand losing your patience with this topic and myself trying to get exact information on this exact shift knob. You have done what you can to educate me Pete. Thank you. I meant you no disrespect, at the same time I do acknowledge I may have shown little. I do apologize.
I'm really very sorry my meaning of your Story Brian was lost in my listing. I totally see how it could be. I told your story to show how things can end up where they don't belong. Not in any way to justify mine belongs in that box. I felt we were getting along in this topic. I again thank you for your time and the patients you've shown me.
Mr Tim Lea.
I am sorry I thought our conversations on Ebay held so little information that I could use to identify my shift knob and that I did not know your name to address to properly. Sincerely, Thank you for your time sir.
This whole thing has never been about the money. JR would be proud that I didn't sell it. The Oil pan and the shift knob has again done the same things it has done for me in the past. Introduced me to new people, sold some stuff , I even made a new friend and possible new customer.
I will pull my add. I will NOT sell the shift knob (unless someone wants it REAL bad) lol
At the same time it will remain with this box in my little case to be found when I pass and whomever is left here on the SAAC forum can have this discussion again some day.
I hold no ill will or thoughts to any negative jabs like getting "kicked in the balls" ..lol.. all's good.
I totally know I was walking into a lion's den with a just a chair and no whip, and whatever you think of me I feel I lived through it and I'm gonna sit down on this chair and watch the Loins.
Again Thank you all.
Sincerely David Obee
P.S. Thank you Brian for showing me your knob ( love the "HEY DAVID" note) Exactly like mine with the Shelby And the Cobra script.
Unless I have missed it, I have not seen or been shown this Exact shift knob with both scripts in a catalog or in it's original packaging (rare indeed) OK I GET IT it doesn't go in the box I have. But in the future if someone runs across that exact knob in a catalog I'd love to have that picture and description.
Thank you.
I left out A point you may or may not choose to believe.
I did search for a value on what I have before I listed those. I was honest why I did not do a .99 cent auction, I did not come here to pull off some kind of scam, yes I would have sold that for 2300 if it turned out to be worth that to someone. Yes i'm looking for exactly what I have and a sense of rarity and value and not here just to start trouble, yes I did put those out in Ebay for the world to kinda just to see. I haven't seen a over the counter Shelby script oil pan go through Ebay, but I don't look every day.
Thank you again I just wanted my original intentions to be clear.
I also do know a few things about cars, but I'm not Shelby expert.
Quote from: David68Obee on December 02, 2018, 10:36:38 PM
Pete Thank you very much for the introductions.
I sincerely apologize for offending In any way I may have. I understand losing your patience with this topic and myself trying to get exact information on this exact shift knob. You have done what you can to educate me Pete. Thank you. I meant you no disrespect, at the same time I do acknowledge I may have shown little. I do apologize.
I'm really very sorry my meaning of your Story Brian was lost in my listing. I totally see how it could be. I told your story to show how things can end up where they don't belong. Not in any way to justify mine belongs in that box. I felt we were getting along in this topic. I again thank you for your time and the patients you've shown me.
Mr Tim Lea.
I am sorry I thought our conversations on Ebay held so little information that I could use to identify my shift knob and that I did not know your name to address to properly. Sincerely, Thank you for your time sir.
This whole thing has never been about the money. JR would be proud that I didn't sell it. The Oil pan and the shift knob has again done the same things it has done for me in the past. Introduced me to new people, sold some stuff , I even made a new friend and possible new customer.
I will pull my add. I will NOT sell the shift knob (unless someone wants it REAL bad) lol
At the same time it will remain with this box in my little case to be found when I pass and whomever is left here on the SAAC forum can have this discussion again some day.
I hold no ill will or thoughts to any negative jabs like getting "kicked in the balls" ..lol.. all's good.
I totally know I was walking into a lion's den with a just a chair and no whip, and whatever you think of me I feel I lived through it and I'm gonna sit down on this chair and watch the Loins.
Again Thank you all.
Sincerely David Obee
P.S. Thank you Brian for showing me your knob ( love the "HEY DAVID" note) Exactly like mine with the Shelby And the Cobra script.
Unless I have missed it, I have not seen or been shown this Exact shift knob with both scripts in a catalog or in it's original packaging (rare indeed) OK I GET IT it doesn't go in the box I have. But in the future if someone runs across that exact knob in a catalog I'd love to have that picture and description.
Thank you.
Are you kidding? At this point I have to assume you are either trying to goad someone into an argument, or you are just a little slow. Either way, I'm done. I
DID show you the exact shift knob in a catalog. Will it make you feel better if I dig up a picture of the original ASCO box? It shouldn't, because either way the box you have is still wrong! Get over it already. Obviously your friend JR didn't know as much about classic Mustang/Shelby parts as you thought he did. :o
I am guessing to this, but David's knob says "SHELBY COBRA" and the knob in the catalog picture says "COBRA"
It doesn't change the assessment. All the "flag" knobs were made for resale and were not production parts. They were all made by ACSCO (AC Stearns Company).
We know what the knob looks like that belongs in the box, because there are many examples. You only have one style knob per part number. You can put anything you want in that box and that doesn't make it an original S8MS knob. There is a reason those knobs have value, because they are rare.
The flag knobs are not rare.
I am not sure you will find a Ford part number for an "over the counter" knob. There may be a catalog ID and I am sure it wont take long for someone to find it.
Here's another point to consider...
I have restored like maybe a dozen 1968 Shelbys. There are others who also restore these cars and spend 100s of thousands of dollars on the restorations. I have judged for 35 years and not once has anyone ever tried to use that knob at a national event.
Do you really suppose they would all restore their cars with the incorrect shift knobs?
I guess not one of them has ever thought to tool up and make some "correct" knobs to set their GT500 KR apart from all others?
Yes your GUESSING what i'm saying is correct. I have said it over and over and over.
EXACTLY the same.
I'm just an old guy who grew up "in the day" that noticed when things like this appeared in the 'new" catalogs. MG Mitten, Autoworld , and Villem B. Haan sold the knobs like that too in their respective catalogs. The knob was never an assembly line item PERIOD. They were a popular add on .
Randy
Debating the nuances of over the counter knobs is best left to others.
8)
In the face of the the years of knowledge expertise here he is still not convinced? That is down right ignorant. I guess I'd be butt hurt too if someone screwed me out of 2300.00 for knob that is worth 45.00. I certainly hope you were provided complementary Vaseline and a kiss with that purchase.
-Keith
The experts are simply trying to berate the OP and the nice old gentleman (rip) that he bought the knob from. Maybe the nice old gentleman (rip) bought the knob from Pookie! Come to think of it Pookie has been saying he bought stuff from "the estate of a long time Ford collector". HMMMM
Can someone fill me in here as I am late to this post being 5 pages long? The OP post by Pete and the #1 reply from Brian shows a correct "flat 3" 68 Deluxe knob used on 68 Shelbys albeit in horrible irreparable condition IMHO for 59.95. Then 5 pages of after market knobs and talk of a 2300 dollar knob?. Gary
BTW a couple of my NOS knobs the top being a lunch pail 68 item out of the Dearborn plant I believe.
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/w61/shelbymann/shifter%20knobs/100_0979.jpg) (https://beta.photobucket.com/u/shelbymann/p/240cc3b0-db5f-464f-ba46-2f79d9ebe448)
That style knob has not been part of the discussion.
The discussion was about over the counter knobs and the original S8MS / Cobra knob intended for production
To be fair to Shelbymann1970, the striped ball came up first, which was (at that time) akin to the astonishment with the second listing price, which took off--
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Hmmm...
« on: November 26, 2018, 06:13:34 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shelby-1968-ORIGINAL-4-Speed-Shift-Knob-Wood-Grain/392180854252?hash=item5b4fccedec:g:gpQAAOSwUWtb~EV1
I guess we should start a 'Hmmm Hmmm...', as in 'Hmmm(2)...', thread to discuss the trash-found curiosity, which I also found... interesting.
Which one of Shelbymann1970's is "more" correct?... or was there more than one correct?... or what was their application?
Quote from: TJinSA on December 08, 2018, 02:29:38 PM
To be fair to Shelbymann1970, the striped ball came up first, which was (at that time) akin to the astonishment with the second listing price, which took off--
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Hmmm...
« on: November 26, 2018, 06:13:34 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shelby-1968-ORIGINAL-4-Speed-Shift-Knob-Wood-Grain/392180854252?hash=item5b4fccedec:g:gpQAAOSwUWtb~EV1
I guess we should start a 'Hmmm Hmmm...', as in 'Hmmm(2)...', thread to discuss the trash-found curiosity, which I also found... interesting.
Which one of Shelbymann1970's is "more" correct?... or was there more than one correct?... or what was their application?
many years ago I tried finding out as much as I could about shift knobs. Chris Simon(Lengendary) has so many of them plus a nice collection of 68.5 cars educated me on them. From what I have seen so far the FLAT "3" were found on 68s. Now when did it transform over to the early round "3" I still do not know. Bob Perkins did an article on the round 3 type changing to a darker wood around Jan of 1969(3rd version). The deluxe above was also used on 69-70 Shelbys at least into June by factory error. I have the original blue stripe knob off of 2916(?) that was June 1969 built. Thanks for clarifying in that when I came late to this topic that the OP anf Reply #1 go straight to a worn out 68 deluxe blue striped knob. That is what confused me at first. Gary
I have 2 of those knobs gladly sell both for $1500....... for the pair . but reality is that they are worth about .99 c
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 10, 2018, 07:54:12 AM
Quote from: TJinSA on December 08, 2018, 02:29:38 PM
To be fair to Shelbymann1970, the striped ball came up first, which was (at that time) akin to the astonishment with the second listing price, which took off--
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Hmmm...
« on: November 26, 2018, 06:13:34 PM »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shelby-1968-ORIGINAL-4-Speed-Shift-Knob-Wood-Grain/392180854252?hash=item5b4fccedec:g:gpQAAOSwUWtb~EV1
I guess we should start a 'Hmmm Hmmm...', as in 'Hmmm(2)...', thread to discuss the trash-found curiosity, which I also found... interesting.
Which one of Shelbymann1970's is "more" correct?... or was there more than one correct?... or what was their application?
many years ago I tried finding out as much as I could about shift knobs. Chris Simon(Lengendary) has so many of them plus a nice collection of 68.5 cars educated me on them. From what I have seen so far the FLAT "3" were found on 68s. Now when did it transform over to the early round "3" I still do not know. Bob Perkins did an article on the round 3 type changing to a darker wood around Jan of 1969(3rd version). The deluxe above was also used on 69-70 Shelbys at least into June by factory error. I have the original blue stripe knob off of 2916(?) that was June 1969 built. Thanks for clarifying in that when I came late to this topic that the OP anf Reply #1 go straight to a worn out 68 deluxe blue striped knob. That is what confused me at first. Gary
I thought I would clarify that although there is evidence to support the 69/70 Shelby mistake shift knob scenario circumstances indicate it was more the exception then the rule. I would hate to see owners get the wrong idea because the racing stripe knob is not the one meant to be used on the 69/70 Shelby.