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Title: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on December 07, 2018, 12:25:04 PM
“SVO” or “SVO&PS” sheets are also known as the “add/delete” sheets coveted by ’67 Shelby owners as additional Ford Factory paperwork for their cars. These SVO sheets note the DSO number and the specific options added to this group of cars. It lists the total number of units, a breakdown of each unit by paint color and code, and all the part numbers added or deleted for Ford’s San Jose factory. As production of these base units continued through the model year many parts changed, some were added, and others were deleted. It was all done to help streamline the efforts of the finishing production line at Shelby American saving both time and costs.

A post on the “Shelby Forums” over ten years ago appears to have helped bring many of them out of hiding. Now I’m hoping to take it a step further and find even more of them or improved legible versions.  I’ll start a list here shortly of known copies to help.

Specially, I’m trying to help Dave resolve some questions about DSO 2534, 2536, 2538, and 2540 which appear to have some Ford data issues. If you have a copy of these SVO sheets please let me know ASAP. I’ll forward you my email if you would send me a copy.

Here’s an example of the first page of an SVO sheet for DSO 89-2609. You can see many of the details I previously noted. This copy is one of the better ones I’ve seen. It’s said these can be found under the rear seat cushion, or under the foot areas of the carpeting.


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Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on December 08, 2018, 11:06:09 AM
We have complete sets of the following SVO "Add / Delete" sheets for the DSOs;
84-2517 (213F) original copy
84-2528 (400F) original copy
84-2536 (400F) original copy
84-2549 (400F) original copy
84-2551 (400F) original copy
84-2555 (402F) original copy
84-2560 (410F) original copy 6 pages
84-2562 (410F) original copy (need larger scan/copy to ease reading)
84-2571 (200F) original copy
84-2574 (211F) original copy
84-2575 (400F) original copy
84-2590 (200F) original copy (very faint copy; missing last page #8)
84-2591 (210F) original copy
84-2596 (202F) original copy
89-2602 (413F) original copy (a few blurred pages)
89-2606 (210F) original copy (dark copy with stained markings on page 1)
89-2608 (400F) (marked with a water stain on every page)
89-2609 (410F) (heavily marked with a water stain on bottom on each page)
89-2613 (213F) original copy
89-2801 (Group II Hardtop) (missing page 1 & 2, have page 3-5)


Here are the SVO sheets that we only have the first page, for DSO's;
89-2580 (400F) original page 1 only (very dark poor copy)
89-2604 (200F) original page 1 (heavily stained)
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Road Reptile on December 10, 2018, 07:54:50 PM
Hi Rich,
I think Jeff S has the biggest collection of these sheets. Maybe check the concourse mustang website or Jeff directly....Hope this helps
R.R.
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on December 10, 2018, 11:40:48 PM
Hi Rich,
I think Jeff S has the biggest collection of these sheets. Maybe check the concourse mustang website or Jeff directly....Hope this helps
R.R.

Thanks R.R.
I checked the concours website for related posts. None were posted. Jeff sent me a PM that he had the first page of the SVO sheet for DSO 84-2536. It will help, but we still need to find the other pages of it and other SVO sheets. Of course I’d love to find the SVO sheets for all the DSOs as well.


Everyone,
We’re trying to resolve a Ford specific data conflict where some packages and trim codes were intermixed in a single DSO. That breaks a production line rule of one package and one trim per DSO. These Ford conflicts were found on three DSOs all built at San Jose at the same time, right after the New Year.

Brian Styles has a post in his Google Group that digs deeper into this topic for those interested.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/43mJlQH5qL0

The registry can only report the data as found in the Shelby American records. It is very clear this was NOT a registry error! It is a Ford data conflict!
Other possible answers may be found in Marti Reports from these same DSO’s (cars from DSO 84-2534, 84-2536, 84-2538, and 84-2540)
If anyone might have Marti’s from them please let me know. 

Thanks for any help or leads.
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on December 11, 2018, 07:25:05 PM
I have a question for any ex/retired Ford employees. 

On the above SVO sheet, it lists a "Decent. date" and a "Cent. date" in the header.
Does anyone know what those abbreviations stand for?

Here's yet another post by Brian where he's trying to sort out the document flow by dates.
I don't have an answer for him, but maybe someone here does.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/J8Pchjpji1w
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Bossbill on December 14, 2018, 08:54:05 PM
The Google doc lists what the abbreviations stand for:
    SVO Cent (Centralized Equipment Availability)   [date]               
    SVO Decent (Decentralized Equipment Availability) [date]
but that doesn't help me understand what that means!
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on December 14, 2018, 09:11:49 PM
Bill,
Thank You for sending those SVO sheets for the two different DSO's. (I got sidetracked from updating the list in reply #1).

I did see those full names for the two abbreviations, but like you I'm not really sure what they mean!
Maybe they are related to part shipments?
Can anyone help?

Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on January 01, 2019, 01:54:06 PM
Updated list in reply #1
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: gt350hr on January 02, 2019, 03:01:41 PM
   Rich,
     I have an original of  84-2598 , a group of automatic 350s and I can tie it to a specific car. Dates on papers - decent date 4-14 cent date 4-12 and sched date 4-20. I'll be glad to send you a copy . PM me where.
  Randy
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on January 10, 2019, 01:53:24 PM
updated the SVO build sheet list in reply #1.
 :)
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: gt350hr on January 11, 2019, 12:06:38 PM
Bill,
Thank You for sending those SVO sheets for the two different DSO's. (I got sidetracked from updating the list in reply #1).

I did see those full names for the two abbreviations, but like you I'm not really sure what they mean!
Maybe they are related to part shipments?
Can anyone help?

       Mt educated guess would be location of the parts. Centralized could mean  "in stock" or already "in company". Decentralized "could " mean outside sourced or not in company ( warehouse) as in sub assembly supplier .
     Randy
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on January 18, 2019, 02:53:22 PM
UPDATED list in reply #2;
 
More copies have been received (including some partial pages). 
Thank You “SFM66H”, Joe B, and “Road Reptile”!

These SVO documents range between 6 and 8 pages for each DSO. The later SVOs have more pages.
Some re-typed SVOs are circulating around. They were kindly re-created way back, where originals were too poor to be able to read.
Fortunately we are finding some originals in improved versions of them too.
There has been one altered cover page found. Thankfully we have the original version that proves it.

It appears these SVOs match the DSOs in number of units, package, trim, and paint quantity breakdown.
However they are more detailed with all the added and deleted parts (by Ford) listed by code and part numbers.

Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on January 30, 2019, 11:26:41 PM
List updated (reply #2)

Today I received the SVO pages of DSO 89-2801. Only page 1 was missing (anyone have it to share?). Page 2-5 were included.
The cars on this DSO group were actually the ‘67 Shelby T/A Coupes. I’m told 5 cars were in this group.


I would be happy to just get the first page, or partial pages of a set, for any of the SVO/DSO groups not listed.
Thanks as always.
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: charlie D on February 01, 2019, 12:33:28 PM
Not the document you are currently researching, but if you are interested in documents here is a copy of the invoice from Shelby to the dealer. It was in the glove box of the car when purchased new.
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on February 01, 2019, 02:46:05 PM
Charlie D, thanks for the SA invoice copy. It is helpful on some other research I'm working on too.
 8)
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on February 14, 2019, 10:31:29 AM
I've update the list in reply #2 with the few SVO's sheet sets that we only have the first page for.
As mentioned before, this is the most useful page containing the paint quantities, various dates, etc.

Thanks to Pete, Brian, and Anthony for the continued help.
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on February 24, 2019, 09:57:16 PM
SVO Sheets altered;

As we continue to gather the SVO&PS “add/delete” sheets for every 1967 Shelby DSO, were continue to find more that were retyped or altered. While we can appreciate these were likely done to help read the valuable info contained within them, having an original clean copy is the preference. I will update the list on page one of this thread noting original versions as we gather them. Previously I noted the altered SVO cover sheet for DSO for 84-2572. (we now have the original version).

We’ve also discovered another altered cover SVO sheet for DSO 84-2528. Notes were hand written in place over the type data along with build dates. The correct DSO group is actually 84-2549 check the registry for your correct DSO group and unit numbers to ensure you have the correct copy. These SVO sheets are very difficult to find even today. Copies shared from many years ago were practically non-existant and in most cases used as reference for specific part numbers and information.

I hoping this will encourage anyone with these past SVO "add/delete" sheets to not only review them again, but also to share them so we can ensure they are authentic. We still need SVO sheet SETS for DSO 2534, 2536 (have cover page), 2538, & 2540. They should help to sort out the Ford issues and likely parts shortages within these groups that caused some intermixing of engine packages.

Thanks for any help with just a cover page or the whole set.
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Road Reptile on February 26, 2019, 08:17:26 PM
Hi Rich and all 67 fans,
I have now found sheets from 84-2549 that are 7 pages and none are retyped.
Great to see these being preserved-and studied. I will send them to you so you can add to the collection.
Regards R.R.
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on March 26, 2019, 01:26:35 PM
The list on reply #1 has again been updated in blue ink
(Thank you Jeff!)

If anyone has any SVO set pages from a GT500 with A/C- (401F, 411F, 403F, & 413F) I would really like to get a copy of them as well as the others that are not on the list.

Thank you for all the help!
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: gt350hr on March 27, 2019, 11:50:54 AM
  Rich ,
    I still owe you the set I copied , I'll try to get them sent this week.
  Randy
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 27, 2019, 12:34:05 PM
  Rich ,
    I still owe you the set I copied , I'll try to get them sent this week.
  Randy
Your not alone . I have to go through mine too and see if I have any that are missing in action. It is on the too do list.
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on April 03, 2019, 11:57:35 AM
Updated SVO list with full SVO set for DSO 2528.
(Thanks KerryBWhite!)
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: gt350hr on April 04, 2019, 11:43:15 AM
  Rich ,
     It will be interesting if a set from a different car in one specific DSO group shows up and is visibly altered. There were 20 cars built on the DSO I will be sending you and it would be nice if a copy from another source ( car) came to you and looked exactly like the one I am sending you. I know mine are not altered. You may have already seen that if I read your comments right.
   Randy
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on April 22, 2019, 08:13:30 PM
Hi Rich and all 67 fans,
I have now found sheets from 84-2549 that are 7 pages and none are retyped.
Great to see these being preserved-and studied. I will send them to you so you can add to the collection.
Regards R.R.

R.R.
Received the DSO papers in todays mail. Woohoo!
These are Very Nice legible original copies.
Thank You Sir!!
 ;D

Updated the list in reply #1
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: JD on April 29, 2019, 07:40:51 PM
Hi Rich and all 67 fans,
I have now found sheets from 84-2549 that are 7 pages and none are retyped.
Great to see these being preserved-and studied. I will send them to you so you can add to the collection.
Regards R.R.

R.R.
Received the DSO papers in todays mail. Woohoo!
These are Very Nice legible original copies.
Thank You Sir!!
 ;D

Updated the list in reply #1
« on: December 07, 2018, 12:25:04 PM »



Opening post to this thread:
’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”

“SVO” or “SVO&PS” sheets are also known as the “add/delete” sheets coveted by ’67 Shelby owners as additional Ford Factory paperwork for their cars. These SVO sheets note the DSO number and the specific options added to this group of cars. It lists the total number of units, a breakdown of each unit by paint color and code, and all the part numbers added or deleted for Ford’s San Jose factory. As production of these base units continued through the model year many parts changed, some were added, and others were deleted. It was all done to help streamline the efforts of the finishing production line at Shelby American saving both time and costs.

A post on the “Shelby Forums” over ten years ago appears to have helped bring many of them out of hiding. Now I’m hoping to take it a step further and find even more of them or improved legible versions.  I’ll start a list here shortly of known copies to help.

Specially, I’m trying to help Dave resolve some questions about DSO 2534, 2536, 2538, and 2540 which appear to have some Ford data issues. If you have a copy of these SVO sheets please let me know ASAP. I’ll forward you my email if you would send me a copy.

Here’s an example of the first page of an SVO sheet for DSO 89-2609. You can see many of the details I previously noted. This copy is one of the better ones I’ve seen. It’s said these can be found under the rear seat cushion, or under the foot areas of the carpeting.  ..."

Great that all this is coming together and that your helping Dave M with this.
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on April 29, 2019, 08:37:48 PM
I would call this a positive group effort thanks to everyone who shared info and their SVO sheets with us!

So far we have only come up with the SVO sheet set for DSO 84-2536 of the (4) quad group discrepancies.
We still need SVO sheets for DSOs 84-2534, 2538, & 2540 which Dave does not have.
As JD and others mentioned previously, check under the dash, the carpet and under the rear seat cushion. Maybe you will be pleasantly surprised.

Working with Dave and Brian Styles our best theory of this FORD mix-up issue all came down to an emissions parts shortage at San Jose.
Anyone who thought this was a registry issue was wrong. We are finding multiple issues at Ford related to materials shortages.   
There are a lot more specific details found in the '1967 Shelby Research Group' thread that we continue to work on and welcome any input.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/43mJlQH5qL0
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: KerryBWhite on April 29, 2019, 09:53:38 PM
Rich, Dave, and Brian

AWESOME job on all research. :) Also a shout out to those sending you their paperwork contributing to the research.
I always look forward to reading updates to the 1967 Shelby Research Group. Great '67 information

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shelbyresearch/43mJlQH5qL0
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: 101hornets on July 12, 2020, 04:19:27 PM
Have not been on in a while but did we ever find copies of the missing SVO sheets for DSO's 2534, 2536, 2538 and 2540?
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on July 12, 2020, 09:11:35 PM
Reply #25 above notes we found a copy of the SVO&PS sheets for DSO 2536 (It's not perfect, but it is complete).

We still have not found 2534, 2538, or 2540!

I'll update the list in reply #1 next.
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on September 22, 2020, 10:38:37 AM
I’m checking in again to see if anyone might have the missing SVO pages we are still looking for.
There has been some confusion from a few people who think these only cover individual units.
They actually cover entire DSO groups of cars. The full list is in reply #1 on page 1.

The attached graphic illustrates the ordering district changes that Shelby American went through, as a time-plot.
Collecting dates from page 1 of these SVOs allows us to research these topics in greater depth.

SVOs dated the last week of April are of particular interest as the district change from ‘84’ to ‘89’ may be the signal as to when Ford officially took over SAI.
SVOs that should fall into this date range, and that we don't have yet, include; 2597, 2599, 2600, 2601, 2603, 2604, 2605, and 2607.

Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: 68krrrr on September 22, 2020, 10:54:46 AM
I have the 6 original pages of 84-2562 on your list you mention you need larger sans /copies,sorry what does that mean exactly & what's the best way to make a copy & get it to you .
Title: Re: ’67 Ford Documents Wanted “Special Vehicle Order and Part Specification”
Post by: Richstang on September 22, 2020, 10:57:34 AM
Thanks for the reply! I'll send you a PM with my email address