Hey to everyone! First time poster here, but I've owned a '68 Mustang for a few years. I recently decided I'm ready to take the plunge and buy a 1967 GT350. I'm looking at a white car in the Houston Mecum auction.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/HA0419-373062/1967-shelby-gt350-fastback/
It says "concours nut and bolt restoration using NOS and restored original parts". It also says "Restoration was overseen by two SAAC judges". Which two SAAC judges are they? I'd like to speak with them. At what SAAC event was the car judged and did it score gold? There are no underside pictures, which always worries me when a car is claimed to be a 'concours nut and bolt restoration'.
I have a copy of the latest SAAC Registry 1965-1967. For this car, it says "Wiring for side lights were present but no lights were installed'. I'm guessing they are referring to the upper red lights found on the early '67's? It sure seems to have them now, so I'm guessing someone added them after the fact?
Thanks for any info you can share. It's a big investment, so all is appreciated.
Timmy
the owner is a regular on this site and will probably answer your questions.
https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=4730.0
Hey Timmy,
I'm the owner of #22. Feel free to shoot me a PM.
Thanks,
Ruben
I PM'ed you, Thanks Ruben.
I requested the info of the judges as I was interested in the car. I would suggest you do the same. Having done the concours judging thing myself always skeptical when claims are made by auction houses.
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Hey to everyone! First time poster here, but I've owned a '68 Mustang for a few years. I recently decided I'm ready to take the plunge and buy a 1967 GT350. I'm looking at a white car in the Houston Mecum auction.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/HA0419-373062/1967-shelby-gt350-fastback/
It says "concours nut and bolt restoration using NOS and restored original parts". It also says "Restoration was overseen by two SAAC judges". Which two SAAC judges are they? I'd like to speak with them. At what SAAC event was the car judged and did it score gold? There are no underside pictures, which always worries me when a car is claimed to be a 'concours nut and bolt restoration'.
I have a copy of the latest SAAC Registry 1965-1967. For this car, it says "Wiring for side lights were present but no lights were installed'. I'm guessing they are referring to the upper red lights found on the early '67's? It sure seems to have them now, so I'm guessing someone added them after the fact?
Thanks for any info you can share. It's a big investment, so all is appreciated.
Timmy
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Quote from: 64cobra on February 18, 2019, 10:43:32 PM
I requested the info of the judges as I was interested in the car. I would suggest you do the same. Having done the concours judging thing myself always skeptical when claims are made by auction houses.
quote author=1968CalSpecialTim link=topic=4849.msg41871#msg41871 date=1550439735]
Hey to everyone! First time poster here, but I've owned a '68 Mustang for a few years. I recently decided I'm ready to take the plunge and buy a 1967 GT350. I'm looking at a white car in the Houston Mecum auction.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/HA0419-373062/1967-shelby-gt350-fastback/
It says "concours nut and bolt restoration using NOS and restored original parts". It also says "Restoration was overseen by two SAAC judges". Which two SAAC judges are they? I'd like to speak with them. At what SAAC event was the car judged and did it score gold? There are no underside pictures, which always worries me when a car is claimed to be a 'concours nut and bolt restoration'.
I have a copy of the latest SAAC Registry 1965-1967. For this car, it says "Wiring for side lights were present but no lights were installed'. I'm guessing they are referring to the upper red lights found on the early '67's? It sure seems to have them now, so I'm guessing someone added them after the fact?
Thanks for any info you can share. It's a big investment, so all is appreciated.
Timmy
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Hey Darren,
As mentioned in our PMs, I appreciate you reaching out, and please feel free to contact me directly with any questions you may have.
And, as I put it out there to you (and for others who have reached out to me through Mecum or through PM on this forum) here is my contact information should anyone have questions. Feel free to contact me directly:
Cell: 224.343.0636
email: rbonales@yahoo.com
Thanks and have a great night,
Ruben Bonales
Thanks Rueben. As we discussed I think you should contact Mecum and revise your description of the car. As an experienced entrant in several judging venues I have to take exception to the description published by mecum. Good luck with the sale.
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Quote from: 64cobra on February 18, 2019, 10:43:32 PM
I requested the info of the judges as I was interested in the car. I would suggest you do the same. Having done the concours judging thing myself always skeptical when claims are made by auction houses.
quote author=1968CalSpecialTim link=topic=4849.msg41871#msg41871 date=1550439735]
Hey to everyone! First time poster here, but I've owned a '68 Mustang for a few years. I recently decided I'm ready to take the plunge and buy a 1967 GT350. I'm looking at a white car in the Houston Mecum auction.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/HA0419-373062/1967-shelby-gt350-fastback/
It says "concours nut and bolt restoration using NOS and restored original parts". It also says "Restoration was overseen by two SAAC judges". Which two SAAC judges are they? I'd like to speak with them. At what SAAC event was the car judged and did it score gold? There are no underside pictures, which always worries me when a car is claimed to be a 'concours nut and bolt restoration'.
I have a copy of the latest SAAC Registry 1965-1967. For this car, it says "Wiring for side lights were present but no lights were installed'. I'm guessing they are referring to the upper red lights found on the early '67's? It sure seems to have them now, so I'm guessing someone added them after the fact?
Thanks for any info you can share. It's a big investment, so all is appreciated.
Timmy
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Hey Darren,
As mentioned in our PMs, I appreciate you reaching out, and please feel free to contact me directly with any questions you may have.
And, as I put it out there to you (and for others who have reached out to me through Mecum or through PM on this forum) here is my contact information should anyone have questions. Feel free to contact me directly:
Cell: 224.343.0636
email: rbonales@yahoo.com
Thanks and have a great night,
Ruben Bonales
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How much of the sheetmetal has been replaced? Did you source nos parts or use reproduction sheet metal in the restoration?
Your published info from Mecum is Bogus and no reaching out to you will clear that. I suggest you come clean with you assertations on the mecum listing and not hide behind "contact me" for more info.
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Thanks Rueben. As we discussed I think you should contact Mecum and revise your description of the car. As an experienced entrant in several judging venues I have to take exception to the description published by mecum. Good luck with the sale.
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Quote from: 64cobra on February 18, 2019, 10:43:32 PM
I requested the info of the judges as I was interested in the car. I would suggest you do the same. Having done the concours judging thing myself always skeptical when claims are made by auction houses.
quote author=1968CalSpecialTim link=topic=4849.msg41871#msg41871 date=1550439735]
Hey to everyone! First time poster here, but I've owned a '68 Mustang for a few years. I recently decided I'm ready to take the plunge and buy a 1967 GT350. I'm looking at a white car in the Houston Mecum auction.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/HA0419-373062/1967-shelby-gt350-fastback/
It says "concours nut and bolt restoration using NOS and restored original parts". It also says "Restoration was overseen by two SAAC judges". Which two SAAC judges are they? I'd like to speak with them. At what SAAC event was the car judged and did it score gold? There are no underside pictures, which always worries me when a car is claimed to be a 'concours nut and bolt restoration'.
I have a copy of the latest SAAC Registry 1965-1967. For this car, it says "Wiring for side lights were present but no lights were installed'. I'm guessing they are referring to the upper red lights found on the early '67's? It sure seems to have them now, so I'm guessing someone added them after the fact?
Thanks for any info you can share. It's a big investment, so all is appreciated.
Timmy
[/quote]
Hey Darren,
As mentioned in our PMs, I appreciate you reaching out, and please feel free to contact me directly with any questions you may have.
And, as I put it out there to you (and for others who have reached out to me through Mecum or through PM on this forum) here is my contact information should anyone have questions. Feel free to contact me directly:
Cell: 224.343.0636
email: rbonales@yahoo.com
Thanks and have a great night,
Ruben Bonales
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Darren (64cobra)
You first reply was appropriate.. your second was a little harsh... lighten up.
I believe Ruben heard you the first time,....
Thanks
Just trying to keep buyers informed. Apologize if I crossed the line but you cant make claims unless they are substantiated. Correct.
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Darren (64cobra)
You first reply was appropriate.. your second was a little harsh... lighten up.
I believe Ruben heard you the first time,....
Thanks
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Quote from: 64cobra on February 19, 2019, 12:17:18 AM
Just trying to keep buyers informed. Apologize if I crossed the line but you cant make claims unless they are substantiated. Correct.
quote author=Forum Guide link=topic=4849.msg42015#msg42015 date=1550553115]
Darren (64cobra)
You first reply was appropriate.. your second was a little harsh... lighten up.
I believe Ruben heard you the first time,....
Thanks
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Apology accepted, Darren. Have a great night!
Ruben
Rueben
I hope you correct the Mecum auction listing. As a triple crown winner of just a few I think I know what Im talking about. You misrepresented your car. Dragging in some names that dont want to be represented with you. Please be honest with your car. It has NOT been supervised by 2 saac judges. It is not a concourse car. Has it been judged by gaines amd speegle?
Quote from: Shelby_0022 on February 19, 2019, 12:27:22 AM
Quote from: 64cobra on February 19, 2019, 12:17:18 AM
Just trying to keep buyers informed. Apologize if I crossed the line but you cant make claims unless they are substantiated. Correct.
quote author=Forum Guide link=topic=4849.msg42015#msg42015 date=1550553115]
Darren (64cobra)
You first reply was appropriate.. your second was a little harsh... lighten up.
I believe Ruben heard you the first time,....
Thanks
Apology accepted, Darren. Have a great night!
Ruben
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Quote from: 64cobra on February 19, 2019, 01:07:45 AM
Rueben
I hope you correct the Mecum auction listing. As a triple crown winner of just a few I think I know what Im talking about. You misrepresented your car. Dragging in some names that dont want to be represented with you. Please be honest with your car. It has NOT been supervised by 2 saac judges. It is not a concourse car. Has it been judged by gaines amd speegle?
Quote from: Shelby_0022 on February 19, 2019, 12:27:22 AM
Quote from: 64cobra on February 19, 2019, 12:17:18 AM
Just trying to keep buyers informed. Apologize if I crossed the line but you cant make claims unless they are substantiated. Correct.
quote author=Forum Guide link=topic=4849.msg42015#msg42015 date=1550553115]
Darren (64cobra)
You first reply was appropriate.. your second was a little harsh... lighten up.
I believe Ruben heard you the first time,....
Thanks
Apology accepted, Darren. Have a great night!
Ruben
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I too am interested in the car. It seems real nice. I'm also sorry if I swatted the bee's nest here, being the new guy and all. Mr. Bonals told me the two judges are Jim Cowles and JD Kaltenbach. I met Jim C a few years ago at his shop but I don't know Mr Kaltenbach. Do they work together often? I know Jim C does really nice work so knowing he restored this car makes me interested.
Either way I plan on checking out the car in Houston in a few weeks. Good luck to all!
As the Forum Guide has already stated, and as the moderator of this particular sub forum, your comments in this thread are a bit on the harsh side. I humbly suggest taking anything else you have to say to the seller to a PM.
Quote from: 64cobra on February 19, 2019, 01:07:45 AM
Rueben
I hope you correct the Mecum auction listing. As a triple crown winner of just a few I think I know what Im talking about. You misrepresented your car. Dragging in some names that dont want to be represented with you. Please be honest with your car. It has NOT been supervised by 2 saac judges. It is not a concourse car. Has it been judged by gaines amd speegle?
Quote from: Bill on February 19, 2019, 06:18:17 AM
As the Forum Guide has already stated, and as the moderator of this particular sub forum, your comments in this thread are a bit on the harsh side. I humbly suggest taking anything else you have to say to the seller to a PM.
Quote from: 64cobra on February 19, 2019, 01:07:45 AM
Rueben
I hope you correct the Mecum auction listing. As a triple crown winner of just a few I think I know what Im talking about. You misrepresented your car. Dragging in some names that dont want to be represented with you. Please be honest with your car. It has NOT been supervised by 2 saac judges. It is not a concourse car. Has it been judged by gaines amd speegle?
Just curious, since I am only on the side lines looking in, what was "Harsh" about his response if it is true, I would like to know for future postings so I don't get into trouble.
Quote from: tesgt350 on February 19, 2019, 08:46:20 AM
Quote from: Bill on February 19, 2019, 06:18:17 AM
As the Forum Guide has already stated, and as the moderator of this particular sub forum, your comments in this thread are a bit on the harsh side. I humbly suggest taking anything else you have to say to the seller to a PM.
Quote from: 64cobra on February 19, 2019, 01:07:45 AM
Rueben
I hope you correct the Mecum auction listing. As a triple crown winner of just a few I think I know what Im talking about. You misrepresented your car. Dragging in some names that dont want to be represented with you. Please be honest with your car. It has NOT been supervised by 2 saac judges. It is not a concourse car. Has it been judged by gaines amd speegle?
Just curious, since I am only on the side lines looking in, what was "Harsh" about his response if it is true, I would like to know for future postings so I don't get into trouble.
Don't pretend to be the know all, see all, master of things..... Don't knock or condemn others cars or equipment. Want to start a SHI- STORM that's one way to do it. Many a fine family, individuals, companies and cars have left for good in this community because of this exact scenario. Keep it positive and keep it fun and the rest will sort itself out. If a man pays for someone's services or even has some guidance from these men they will ALWAYS have an association with them. Don't speak for others, they are not deaf- mutes and are capable of speaking for themselves.
Well, it was either chime in or drop my membership in this illustrious, self absorbed club... To those seemingly critical of a car they know very little about and more importantly, have yet to see, either get off your lazy ass and trek on down to Houston or stop wasting everyone's time. If you don't like the listing, do your own god damn homework and figure it out. Only then, in my humble opinion, do you gain the right to be critical or better yet, curious, about any given car. And, one up to the last post regarding the need to keep things on the lighter side of life. They're only cars for Christ sake. This particular seller has an impeccable and well deserved reputation with this auction house via several honest sales over the past few years. His posts, at least on this Forum, have always been presented in a professional, transparent manner. And life goes on...
Look.. it's really not complicated.
This site is for open discussion among like minded people. it's OK to disagree or post an contrary opinion.
When you figuratively pick up a tire iron to make your point... that gets harsh and out of line.
It's an easy guideline.
Thanks
I have to say, it's been in interesting 12 hours. I can't say I saw this thread turning the direction it has, but that's life.
I will say this: no one can squelch my passion for these amazing cars! What's sad is that situations like this have caused people to completely leave the hobby all together. I talked to my consignment agent today and he, unsolicited, said that there have been several times where owners have gotten fed up with getting themselves and their cars picked apart and literally came to Mecum and said, "I'm tied of the BS - I want to be done - sell it all". That's not me.
Just yesterday, I had an amazing first conversation about cars with a gentleman I just met from this forum. This was not a conversation triggered by this person's interest in my car. And, truly, it was like we had known each other for years. That conversation was the highlight of my day.
So, stuff happens. People have thoughts / opinions, and all are entitled to their own. I will respect the opinions of others, as it's nothing more than that - their opinion. How they choose to share that opinion is up to them.
In the end, I love these cars and I'm grateful for all the people I have met through this hobby. The only one that can steal your joy is you, unless you let them.
Thanks!
Ruben
Good luck with the sale Ruben. I be sad if it leaves this part of the country. MOCA will miss it as well. Beautiful car! Rick
I will say this Ruben, all the specific questions you were asking here on the forum while you were putting it together tells me you were attemting to get-it-right the first time. Good luck.
That was very well said... BRAVO
Quote from: Shelby_0022 on February 19, 2019, 12:57:40 PM
I have to say, it's been in interesting 12 hours. I can't say I saw this thread turning the direction it has, but that's life.
I will say this: no one can squelch my passion for these amazing cars! What's sad is that situations like this have caused people to completely leave the hobby all together. I talked to my consignment agent today and he, unsolicited, said that there have been several times where owners have gotten fed up with getting themselves and their cars picked apart and literally came to Mecum and said, "I'm tied of the BS - I want to be done - sell it all". That's not me.
Just yesterday, I had an amazing first conversation about cars with a gentleman I just met from this forum. This was not a conversation triggered by this person's interest in my car. And, truly, it was like we had known each other for years. That conversation was the highlight of my day.
So, stuff happens. People have thoughts / opinions, and all are entitled to their own. I will respect the opinions of others, as it's nothing more than that - their opinion. How they choose to share that opinion is up to them.
In the end, I love these cars and I'm grateful for all the people I have met through this hobby. The only one that can steal your joy is you, unless you let them.
Thanks!
Ruben
Hi Timmy,
I wanted to clarify something in your post, as I believe you may have misunderstood our communications. Jim Cowles and JD played significant roles in the restoration of this car. However, Jim Cowles did not do the actual restoration. The initial restoration was completed by a shop called Big 3 Performance; which is located across the parking lot from Jim's shop. The additional finishing concours work was completed once I received the car in Texas after Big 3 had finished, as I changed direction and decided to go the more concours correct route after receiving the car and assisting with judging the 67s at SAAC 42.
I hope this clears up any confusion - thanks!
Ruben