....HELP !!!!! I have an original stock street '65 GT 350 that I'd like to track at the national in PITTSBURGH THIS FALL. WANT TO MOUNT PERIOD CORRECT Torq Thrust wheels and race tires on the car for the track event...What are the vintage guys running on their "R" cars? And what is recommended for my car (Being a street...NOT modified car)...Front and rear wheel specs and what tire specs.
Your thoughts... and also from the experts here.. :)
THANKS...
Get Avon tires is my advice.
no expert - on my 65 track car I run 225/60R15 Yokohama A032R's
These are not period correct obviously (and although they are "street legal" I would not recommend for street use as they tend to flick up loose stones etc). The choice of tyres in 60R15 is not very wide unfortunately, on my Shelby I run BFG TA's (which are also not period correct, but convenient)
A very good tire that looks period correct, especially for a stock GT350 would be the Avon CR6ZZ race tire. They hold up well, give excellent feedback and wear extremely well. I don't know where you are located but some sources are Roger Krauss (West Coast), Bob Woodman (South Carolina) and SASCOSports (Virginia). Avon will have the best range of appropriate sizes to match your wheel offset without getting into your fenders.
Most Vintage racers (SVRA) are using the Goodyear Bluestreak Sports Car Specials. The Avon would be a better option for your particular case.
Quote from: loflyer47 on February 19, 2019, 05:05:14 PM
....HELP !!!!! I have an original stock street '65 GT 350 that I'd like to track at the national in PITTSBURGH THIS FALL. WANT TO MOUNT PERIOD CORRECT Torq Thrust wheels and race tires on the car for the track event...What are the vintage guys running on their "R" cars? And what is recommended for my car (Being a street...NOT modified car)...Front and rear wheel specs and what tire specs.
Your thoughts... and also from the experts here.. :)
THANKS...
Hi Loflyier47,
If you want the vintage look, you can get vintage Goodyear Racing Tires. See below add. However, you might remember the original "R" cars had the rear wheel well openings cut larger and the front fenders rolled for clearance. Are you prepared to perform the same modification for that "R" look, that period correct look? There are several Torque Thrust wheels out there to choose from. Watch the back spacing too. The tire/wheels will also need clear the control arms, ball joints and inner fenders.
Or are you looking for something that will clear the stock wheel well and handle well on the track. I expect this second approach will be less obstructive to your stock car. The recommendations above then are fine.
Best of luck
Cory
Quote from: Rickmustang on February 19, 2019, 06:28:21 PM
Get Avon tires is my advice.
^^^^^^^^ +1. This
I've put them on a couple of Shelby's and K codes. I'll never go back to an ordinary tire.
Avon CR6ZZ tires will transform a stock 65/66 GT350. My advice is to leave them on full time to get the most out of your car. There are a couple of USA distributors, you can locate them via google.
http://www.avonmotorsport.com/historic/historic/cr6zz
Z
Which wheel rim width and offset?
Asking for a 65 350 owner for SAAC-44
Goodyear's on 7x15 front 8 x15 rear , fenders will need much massaging.
Quote from: Dsten on February 20, 2019, 09:10:41 AM
Goodyear's on 7x15 front 8 x15 rear , fenders will need much massaging.
.... and a fair amount of negative wedge on the front. 8)
Another possible tire option would the Toyo Proxes R1R , they have several in 15", a 195/55-15 might work.
Quote from: Cobrask8 on February 20, 2019, 07:14:58 AM
Which wheel rim width and offset?
Asking for a 65 350 owner for SAAC-44
I put my last Avon set on stock Ford 6" steel wheels with 3 7/8" backspacing, but would work just fine on typical 7x15" wheels as well :
like this:
last photo was my inspiration
(https://i.imgur.com/n85JbMf.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/R98rN5W.jpg)
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Z
Quote from: Dsten on February 20, 2019, 09:10:41 AM
Goodyear's on 7x15 front 8 x15 rear , fenders will need much massaging.
Awesome 8)
Camber is your friend
hey me again... thanks for all the help but thinking I may have asked the wrong question...
my car is a stock 1965 gt350 #5S0447 unmolested.
with the original street wheels and tires.
what I want to do is.. NOT alter the car at all...body wise... no fender work etc.
that being said...I want to mount 4 original type...period correct (and they can be new or replicas.) torq Thrust racing style wheels....exactly which wheels do I need to buy? front sizes..and rear sizes that will mount on my hubs and not interfere with the wheel wells, fenders, etc.
does any one know which wheels I need to buy? (for the front and rear?
next exactly what Racing tires (that are period correct (such as the goodyear BLUESTREAK racing tires) ..WHAT EXACT SIZES THAT I NEED TO BUY...BOTH FRONT AND REAR..
... THEY WILL BE ON THE CAR FOR RACE TRACK ONLY!!! NOT FOR EVERYDAY DRIVING.. ( I HAVE THOSE ON THE CAR NOW..)
... WHAT MODEL WHEELS AND TIRES ...THAT I CNA BUY AKE TEM TO MY TIRE GUY HAE HIM PUT THE TIRS ON THE WHEELS ..MONUT THE WHEELS AND I'm READY TO GO... WITH NO ISSUES!!!
I HOPE THIS MADE BETTER SENSE AS TO WHAT i''M WANTING HERE.. LOL
THANKS IN ADVANCE LEN
AND I DO APPRECIATE ALLTHE HELP HERE..
I love your style. Living the dream
The Goodyear's on front are 6.-15. On 7x15 torqe thrust d , I do not know ifthey will
Clear with out some help , maybe .depends on how low car is ,
They are about 1600 out the door fora set. I would borrow a set to check for fitment.
Where are you located?
Darek
Quote from: pmustang on February 20, 2019, 02:39:53 PM
I love your style. Living the dream
...I'll take that as a compliment :) and thanks...
... I'd like to shake the car down at the National event in JULY at the beaver creek track..See what it'll do..... should be loads of fun.. :) And my other track car is....
..A 2002 Ferrari 360GT Ferrari built racecar I track on occasion...
always fun... (I'm trying to attach a pic, but don't know to do that..LOL)
The least expensive route would be the OEM steelies with the Avon's as was previously suggested, and you shouldn't have any fitment issues. You won't find a Hoosier or Goodyear race tire that will fit without molesting your fenders,etc. Do you know your current backspacing on your stock wheels?
You can order Torq Thrusts in 15x6" and up, which would also work with the Avon's. The business I've linked below handles various wheels and can help you with a correct fitment on Torq Thrust and other wheels.
http://vintagewheelsus.com
Quote from: Dsten on February 20, 2019, 02:45:53 PM
The Goodyear's on front are 6.-15. On 7x15 torqe thrust d , I do not know ifthey will
Clear with out some help , maybe .depends on how low car is ,
They are about 1600 out the door fora set. I would borrow a set to check for fitment.
Where are you located?
Darek
............. LOCATED IN Allentown pa......just want to make sure I buy the correct
RACING Wheel/Tire package in the beginning..that way ...I just take ofF the street wheel tire/package FROM THE CAR and mount the race wheel and tire package...and "I'M OFF TO THE RACES" SO TO SPEAK..
I'm sure I"m no the first to do this with their car...
Quote from: CSX 4133 on February 20, 2019, 03:59:54 PM
The least expensive route would be the OEM steelies with the Avon's as was previously suggested, and you shouldn't have any fitment issues. You won't find a Hoosier or Goodyear race tire that will fit without molesting your fenders,etc. Do you know your current backspacing on your stock wheels?
You can order Torq Thrusts in 15x6" and up, which would also work with the Avon's. The business I've linked below handles various wheels and can help you with a correct fitment on Torq Thrust and other wheels.
http://vintagewheelsus.com
.... Thanks. Steve... I'll give them a call.. I just don't want to be ruining fenders..or blowing up tires on the track.. by not getting it right the first time..
Do you ever track with any of the groups at WGI?
Quote from: Bigfoot on February 20, 2019, 06:32:31 PM
Do you ever track with any of the groups at WGI?
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I driven quite a few tracks in my life but thinking no to that one...as I've never heard of "WGI". What track is that?
Len,
WGI is Watkins Glen!
(and that Ferrari killed my back! while instructing! Let's take out your GT next time!)
The Avons are the way to go. We're running the CR6ZZ 205/70R 15s on 5S477. They look correct with essentially the same diameter and profile as the original Blue Dots. These tires make the car much more satisfying and predictable to drive. You can push the car to a higher level and still feel confident. These tires aren't cheap, but you putting them on a pretty valuable car. We fabbed copies of the original K-H steel wheels with 6" rims. 4" backspace. Looks are great and no clearance issues.
Here's a couple photos of 477 with the Avons.
6.00-15 goodyears will suck the stock front fender lip in, rub the rear springs and fender lip at speed (unless you have a panard rod). You might get away with the 5.50-15's? The height on each are around 24", so think about your rear gear ratio as you will be cutting down on your top end mph, but you will accelerate better.
I built a tribute R Model - nat's ass on the money - and did all the wheel openings. If you are just using these wheels and tires for the event, spending 2 grand is nuts. Get a set of Hoosier Street TD's. Stick like glue, available used in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin for $50 a corner. Torque thrust D's are $175 each. I drive to the events on this set up, open track the car, clean her up, and stick it in the Popular vote - 1st place Mid Ohio, 2nd place Road America and Indy.
Got questions - drop me a PM
John
You will probably get a better answer posting this in replicas and tributes. I know you are wanting the wheel width and back spacing measurements before you order your wheels, along with which tire will clear. Sorry I do not have the answer for 65-66s. Questions like this is why I would like to see a new category. For day 2, modified and race cars. So you do not have to search all over different categories for question on modified cars. Just like the guys doing stock stuff can just go to the category for their year car.
You might see if you have wheel shop in your area that can mount different widths and backspacing on your car. Then order the torque thrust in that size and backspacing.
Good luck hope to see you at SAAC 44.
Quote from: 68GT350roadracer on March 07, 2019, 10:12:26 AM
You will probably get a better answer posting this in replicas and tributes. I know you are wanting the wheel width and back spacing measurements before you order your wheels, along with which tire will clear. Sorry I do not have the answer for 65-66s. Questions like this is why I would like to see a new category. For day 2, modified and race cars. So you do not have to search all over different categories for question on modified cars. Just like the guys doing stock stuff can just go to the category for their year car.
You might see if you have wheel shop in your area that can mount different widths and backspacing on your car. Then order the torque thrust in that size and backspacing.
Good luck hope to see you at SAAC 44.
..... thanks ROADRACER....that's exactly what I'm looking for ...someone to tell me EXACTLY WHAT IT IS that I need to buy (exact wheel sizes and tire sizes) without modifying my car/bodywork..at all....just bolt on the new torq thrust wheels and tires set...and hit the track!! thanks...and hoping to see you on the track in Pittsburgh.. And if someone already has this answer to my issue...please advise.. ;D
Aside from having that great vintage tread design, sticking like your Shelby was was on rails, etc. , has it been pointed out the Avon CR6ZZ tires are street legal ? You can leave them on full time and have a blast, even going around the block.
Z
I'm looking at the Torq Thrust D, which looks like the most accurate replica of the original wheels used, and the offset goes to from 3.75 to 4.5 when you move from the 7" width to the 8" width. Has anybody tried them with a 245 tire width? The extra offset should help to prevent rubbing on the fender but I'm wondering if it will cause problems with rubbing on the leaf spring or inner fender.
I run 245-60 x 15 on 7" Torque Thrust D's with no issues. I also had 255-60 x 15 Comp TA R1's for track use with only a slight rub under full jounce. I do have my wheel openings rolled and only get the rub with over 1/2 tank of fuel in the R-Model fuel tank.
Don
gt350bp
Quote from: gt350bp on November 14, 2022, 01:23:50 PM
I run 245-60 x 15 on 7" Torque Thrust D's with no issues. I also had 255-60 x 15 Comp TA R1's for track use with only a slight rub under full jounce. I do have my wheel openings rolled and only get the rub with over 1/2 tank of fuel in the R-Model fuel tank.
Don
gt350bp
Is the rub always on the outer fender? No issue on the inside of the tire/wheel?
No issues on the inside, as I have 1 1/4" clearance from the tire to the spring with the 245-60 x 15 wheels. I assume you are using the inboard rear end snubbers and have removed the factory Mustang snubber sheet metal.
I do not like running the track tires on the street as they pick up too much debris and sandblast the body here in Florida. I like the Comp TA's just fine on the street, as sudden downpours are common and I'm glad I have some tread. I've put over 16,000 miles on my replica and try to drive it as much as possible this time of year since the temperatures have moderated. It is no fun in 95-degree Florida summer weather unless you enjoy a moving sauna. My first long trip to Charlotte from Daytona, my right tennis shoe started to melt on the floor pan, so they do get very hot from the exhaust system under your feet.
Good luck and have fun.
Don
gt350bp
I fit a ton of these wheels to 65-68 Fastbacks
I only ever fit 15x7 Torque thrusts with 3.76 backspace and 215/60-15F and 225/60/15
Rear tires
I used to stock 235/60/15s and 15x8 torque thrusts and sold them off due to clearance issues
I don't push the envelope. I just need things to fit when offering them to a customer.
These are the sizes I have found always fit when
The cars suspension is in good shape and quarters are stock. No banging, no rubbing, no issues