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Title: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Dynomax on March 10, 2019, 08:04:02 PM
Hi all. I wasn't quite sure where to post this question on the forum. Does anyone know where I can source '65 Mustang Fastback brackets "SUPPORT - AUXILLIARY FLOOR PANEL REAR". These are illustrated as item #6 of the "1964 1/2 - 1965 Mustang Weld & Sealant Assembly Manual", page 144. Engineering or prime part numbers for these are 11450 and 11451. Many thanks for your help.

Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Karguy on March 10, 2019, 08:08:05 PM
What it be possible for you to post some pictures? Either of the section you need on your car or from the manual.
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Dynomax on March 10, 2019, 09:21:15 PM
http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/555-100319210931.jpeg

Hi Karguy. Thanks for the illustration suggestion. I have had some issues trying to upload an image. I have posted a scan from the manual in "My Gallery" on the Forum (location details above) but couldn't get it to load into this reply as an image. One direct from my computer may load when I post this reply!
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Dynomax on March 10, 2019, 09:22:50 PM
Success on the image posting front! I forgot to add, the bracket in question is item number 6.
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Dynomax on April 09, 2019, 08:49:49 PM
I've run out of resources and never found an answer. Just reposting this in the off-chance someone has some information.
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: J_Speegle on April 09, 2019, 11:44:09 PM
Hi all. I wasn't quite sure where to post this question on the forum. Does anyone know where I can source '65 Mustang Fastback brackets "SUPPORT - AUXILLIARY FLOOR PANEL REAR".

Donor car. Doubt you will find a NOS one for the side or sides you need
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Jim Herrud on April 10, 2019, 02:28:18 AM
Hi Dynomax,
I happen to be working on my 65 Fastback and this part of my car is wide open, so I took the opportunity for some photos and measurements. I don't think it would be too hard to fabricate this bracket. I'd tackle this with a piece of 11-gauge steel, a jigsaw, vice, drill, ball peen hammer and some files to smooth it out.

The floor area where the bracket is welded slopes back from level at 8-degrees. The wall behind slopes back at 19 degrees. I created a 3-view dimension drawing for the passenger side bracket. The driver side is the reverse.

I suspect it would be pretty easy to find someone who can weld a bit better than was done on my car.

I don’t know if you will find this useful, but it kept me entertained for an hour or so. Smooth roads!

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Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Karguy on April 10, 2019, 08:37:36 AM
Hello DynoMax,
I do have a complete left-hand fastback quarter panel cut that should have the bracket you’re looking for still attached. If you would please PM me your phone number I’ll call you and text pictures.
Thanks, Karl Moser
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: cboss70 on April 10, 2019, 08:50:52 AM
I may also have a pair if you get stuck and want to PM me.
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: SFM66H on April 10, 2019, 09:56:04 AM
Jim,

Outstanding effort and contribution to a fellow member’s request - you went above and beyond!

Your drafting skills apparently come so easy to you that you spent approx. an hour on the photos, write up, AND the blueprint?? Incredible.

Very impressive. Seeing a guy do something like that for someone else is why this Forum is such an amazing asset to us all.

I’m looking for the “clinking beer mugs” emoji again!!

Kieth

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/245-100419021943.jpeg)
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Bob Gaines on April 10, 2019, 11:43:01 AM
Hi Dynomax,
I happen to be working on my 65 Fastback and this part of my car is wide open, so I took the opportunity for some photos and measurements. I don't think it would be too hard to fabricate this bracket. I'd tackle this with a piece of 11-gauge steel, a jigsaw, vice, drill, ball peen hammer and some files to smooth it out.

The floor area where the bracket is welded slopes back from level at 8-degrees. The wall behind slopes back at 19 degrees. I created a 3-view dimension drawing for the passenger side bracket. The driver side is the reverse.

I suspect it would be pretty easy to find someone who can weld a bit better than was done on my car.

I don’t know if you will find this useful, but it kept me entertained for an hour or so. Smooth roads!

Your effort to help is a excellent example of what this forum is all about. Good karma to you.  ;D
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Corey Bowcutt on April 10, 2019, 12:36:09 PM
Jim Herrud,

For the fun of it I tried solid modeling this bracket using your drawing and there are two dimensions I need to accurately finish the model.  If it is convenient could you get me these two dimensions?

Corey
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: mark p on April 10, 2019, 01:09:18 PM
I have nothing to add except Kudos to Jim and Corey (you'll just have to imagine the clinking beer mugs here  8))
Wow!!
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Jim Herrud on April 10, 2019, 02:33:34 PM
Too be honest, that post took me a bit more than an hour, but I was so "busy" that it got me out of dish washing duty.
(just kidding - we ate out last night).

Thx for the kind words. I was a silent SAAC member for several years, just leaching off everyone else's great forum information to help me with my Mustang restomod. I decided to jump in the pool after the 2018 Forum Meltdown. Thought it was time to try to contribute where I can.

Corey, I'll get you those dimensions after I get home tonight.
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Jim Herrud on April 10, 2019, 02:40:25 PM
By the way Corey - CAD modeling that piece is pretty cool. Can you reverse the design to model the driver side, too?

Maybe Dynomax can use the files to create billet pieces! ;)
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Corey Bowcutt on April 10, 2019, 04:49:27 PM
Yes easy as pushing a button.
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Jim Herrud on April 10, 2019, 11:35:47 PM
Here you go Corey. Same drawing with requested dimensions added.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/245-100419233204.jpeg)
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: A1965GT350 on April 11, 2019, 12:24:59 AM
Hi Dynomax,
I happen to be working on my 65 Fastback and this part of my car is wide open, so I took the opportunity for some photos and measurements. I don't think it would be too hard to fabricate this bracket. I'd tackle this with a piece of 11-gauge steel, a jigsaw, vice, drill, ball peen hammer and some files to smooth it out.

The floor area where the bracket is welded slopes back from level at 8-degrees. The wall behind slopes back at 19 degrees. I created a 3-view dimension drawing for the passenger side bracket. The driver side is the reverse.

I suspect it would be pretty easy to find someone who can weld a bit better than was done on my car.

I don’t know if you will find this useful, but it kept me entertained for an hour or so. Smooth roads!

Your effort to help is a excellent example of what this forum is all about. Good karma to you.  ;D

A BIG +1
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Corey Bowcutt on April 11, 2019, 08:48:37 AM
Jim,

I modeled the brackets.  I had to use your scaled drawing to get some of the dimensions.  The two dimensions you added appeared to be scaled 2X but I got what I needed from your drawing.  If anyone wants the solid model to give to a sheet metal house to fabricate I can provide it.  I can create just about any file format.  The most common is .stp but I can do .igs, .xmt, .prt...
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Corey Bowcutt on April 11, 2019, 08:51:05 AM
Forgot to attach picture
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: A1965GT350 on April 11, 2019, 11:09:20 AM
Nice !
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Jim Herrud on April 11, 2019, 12:35:53 PM
Looks great Corey!

You might want to make one change: I rechecked my dimensions and confirmed they were correct. After scratching my ... head, I realized the problem is that my drawing incorrectly shows this part of the bracket as being thinner than it actually is. This is apparent when the drawing and photos are compared. There is a lot more metal in this "throat" area than my drawing shows. Changing this in you CAD design would make the bracket stronger.

When I made the drawing, I was also enjoying a Crown and Coke. More evidence that one should never drink and derive a drawing.
Title: Re: '65 Fastback Sheet Metal Question
Post by: Corey Bowcutt on April 11, 2019, 04:15:49 PM
Got it Jim.  I should have noticed that in the pictures.  here is the updated models.

Corey