Black or bare metal? running change somewhere?
Quote from: acman63 on March 17, 2019, 04:10:02 PM
Black or bare metal? running change somewhere?
Typically black throughout production from my observations..
Mine is a washed out yellow cad. There were just three manifolds on ebay with similar tubes. None of them were black.
I also have seen them only in black and with the cadmium behind.
Black is easy to redo, cad is not. I'm good with that observation from the 'head '67 Judge". I just personally haven't seen any yet in black.
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 19, 2019, 07:39:35 AM
Black is easy to redo, cad is not. I'm good with that observation from the 'head '67 Judge". I just personally haven't seen any yet in black.
Some of my observations include ones where when taking taking out old fill tubes which appear to be bare metal on the top side end that you can see easily and you find black paint residue still on the end that was pushed down into the intake. So you may have seen the black fill tube before just not the black paint because what black paint is left ends up being on the end that you can't see unless you remove it ;) Just a possibility.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 19, 2019, 12:17:42 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 19, 2019, 07:39:35 AM
Black is easy to redo, cad is not. I'm good with that observation from the 'head '67 Judge". I just personally haven't seen any yet in black.
Some of my observations include ones where when taking taking out old fill tubes which appear to be bare metal on the top side end that you can see easily and you find black paint residue still on the end that was pushed down into the intake. So you may have seen the black fill tube before just not the black paint because what black paint is left ends up being on the end that you can't see unless you remove it ;) Just a possibility.
I'm ok with it being black. As you suggest, the most likely scenario is that they were all painted and it quickly fell off of the tube? Very plausible.
Fill tubes on 427 Cobra's were bare metal finish, as where the engines in NASCAR, for the 427 engine
Quote from: CSX 3183 on March 19, 2019, 07:23:50 PM
Fill tubes on 427 Cobra's were bare metal finish, as where the engines in NASCAR, for the 427 engine
Thank you for the information although unrelated. This is a topic for 67 GT500 as the heading indicates.
How true, just giving some info, as "food for thought"
Here are a couple vintage pictures one very early and the other later. Also one that is the typical way they are found on survivor type cars. More food for thought. ;)
The green car was in Popular mechanic . I believe a article about switching valve covers among other things. The BW picture is the first GT500 #100 .
Terry Krystofak posted pictures of his 67 GT500 here. I saved them but am having difficulty finding them right now. There are several pictures of the engine compartment.
Personally, I'd weight the results of those pics heavily...whenever I can find them.
As far as other very similar 2x4 Ford intake configurations mentioned, why would they be irrelevant to this discussion?
As in other discussions that involve Ford assembly plant procedures with other components, why would we consider them to not be consistent? I'm not suggesting that there would be any consistent logic of a Ford assembly plant, Heaven forbid, but that logic has been used before and accepted?
Here are two images I have of Terry's car, both would seem (?) to be black ?
Definitely black. It could be dark charcoal metallic? ;)
Tall yellow cad heater fitting too. (check...got it!)
Black filler caps! Oh no! :o
Edge of the air cleaner NAT 'LUMINUM! OH!
Thanks JD! ;D
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 20, 2019, 08:48:59 AM
Definitely black. It could be dark charcoal metallic? ;)
Tall yellow cad heater fitting too. (check...got it!)
Black filler caps! Oh no! :o
Edge of the air cleaner NAT 'LUMINUM! OH!
Thanks JD! ;D
Dark charcoal metallic when all other pulleys ,brackets etc were black would be a stretch (I now you were teasing). Heater hose fitting could be gold or silver. Black filler caps? yes , they not deducted for in concours if they are the right size and have the correct trademark . Edge of top air cleaner lid bare aluminum is a 67 style . 68 they got lazy and left it alone (black) . ;D
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 20, 2019, 12:22:03 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 20, 2019, 08:48:59 AM
Definitely black. It could be dark charcoal metallic? ;)
Tall yellow cad heater fitting too. (check...got it!)
Black filler caps! Oh no! :o
Edge of the air cleaner NAT 'LUMINUM! OH!
Thanks JD! ;D
Dark charcoal metallic when all other pulleys ,brackets etc were black would be a stretch (I now you were teasing). Heater hose fitting could be gold or silver. Black filler caps? yes , they not deducted for in concours if they are the right size and have the correct trademark . Edge of top air cleaner lid bare aluminum is a 67 style . 68 they got lazy and left it alone (black) . ;D
What? Now I gotta' go repaint the '68s top again? Yikes!
What confuses me about that engine picture of Terry's car is the color of the head gasket showing. That looks strange.
Is the engine balancer supposed to be black or painted blue with the engine?
Quote from: JD on March 20, 2019, 08:35:57 AM
Here are two images I have of Terry's car, both would seem (?) to be black ?
Look at the nice polished fins on the valve covers. Next time you see a set of sanded fins and letters think of this picture what they are supposed to look like
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 20, 2019, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 20, 2019, 12:22:03 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 20, 2019, 08:48:59 AM
Definitely black. It could be dark charcoal metallic? ;)
Tall yellow cad heater fitting too. (check...got it!)
Black filler caps! Oh no! :o
Edge of the air cleaner NAT 'LUMINUM! OH!
Thanks JD! ;D
Dark charcoal metallic when all other pulleys ,brackets etc were black would be a stretch (I now you were teasing). Heater hose fitting could be gold or silver. Black filler caps? yes , they not deducted for in concours if they are the right size and have the correct trademark . Edge of top air cleaner lid bare aluminum is a 67 style . 68 they got lazy and left it alone (black) . ;D
What? Now I gotta' go repaint the '68s top again? Yikes!
What confuses me about that engine picture of Terry's car is the color of the head gasket showing. That looks strange.
Is the engine balancer supposed to be black or painted blue with the engine?
Balancer was black and spacer bare metal with engine color overspray. Evidence indicates spacer was on the crank most likely to protect the timing cover seal from paint. It should not be completely painted engine blue but it should have some overspray on it from the engine paint process of the timing cover.
Quote from: acman63 on March 20, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: JD on March 20, 2019, 08:35:57 AM
Here are two images I have of Terry's car, both would seem (?) to be black ?
Look at the nice polished fins on the valve covers. Next time you see a set of sanded fins and letters think of this picture what they are supposed to look like
Some of the shininess can be attributed to polaroid flash. I don't think highly mirror polished from evidence I have seen. They look better that way IMO but they were more on the order of a 600 grit from evidence I have seen which includes NOS examples. Definitely not mirror shiny originally IMO. Just my opinion others may have different.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 20, 2019, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: acman63 on March 20, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: JD on March 20, 2019, 08:35:57 AM
Here are two images I have of Terry's car, both would seem (?) to be black ?
Look at the nice polished fins on the valve covers. Next time you see a set of sanded fins and letters think of this picture what they are supposed to look like
Some of the shininess can be attributed to polaroid flash. I don't think highly mirror polished from evidence I have seen. They look better that way IMO but they were more on the order of a 600 grit from evidence I have seen which includes NOS examples. Definitely not mirror shiny originally IMO. Just my opinion others may have different.
Now we're judging the gloss of the polish in grit numbers? Where can I get the chart? ::)
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 20, 2019, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: acman63 on March 20, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: JD on March 20, 2019, 08:35:57 AM
Here are two images I have of Terry's car, both would seem (?) to be black ?
Look at the nice polished fins on the valve covers. Next time you see a set of sanded fins and letters think of this picture what they are supposed to look like
Some of the shininess can be attributed to polaroid flash. I don't think highly mirror polished from evidence I have seen. They look better that way IMO but they were more on the order of a 600 grit from evidence I have seen which includes NOS examples. Definitely not mirror shiny originally IMO. Just my opinion others may have different.
we agree to disagree on this one Bob: ive had NOS covers and they were polished just like all the original untouched cars Ive seen
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 21, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 20, 2019, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: acman63 on March 20, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: JD on March 20, 2019, 08:35:57 AM
Here are two images I have of Terry's car, both would seem (?) to be black ?
Look at the nice polished fins on the valve covers. Next time you see a set of sanded fins and letters think of this picture what they are supposed to look like
Some of the shininess can be attributed to polaroid flash. I don't think highly mirror polished from evidence I have seen. They look better that way IMO but they were more on the order of a 600 grit from evidence I have seen which includes NOS examples. Definitely not mirror shiny originally IMO. Just my opinion others may have different.
Now we're judging the gloss of the polish in grit numbers? Where can I get the chart? ::)
I know you were teasing but it is hard to describe shininess. In this case I was trying to describe a shininess or polish level below mirror finish polish. Jim and I agree to disagree on this to not belabor the point which is fine . It happens sometimes.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 21, 2019, 05:30:51 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 21, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 20, 2019, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: acman63 on March 20, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: JD on March 20, 2019, 08:35:57 AM
Here are two images I have of Terry's car, both would seem (?) to be black ?
Look at the nice polished fins on the valve covers. Next time you see a set of sanded fins and letters think of this picture what they are supposed to look like
Some of the shininess can be attributed to polaroid flash. I don't think highly mirror polished from evidence I have seen. They look better that way IMO but they were more on the order of a 600 grit from evidence I have seen which includes NOS examples. Definitely not mirror shiny originally IMO. Just my opinion others may have different.
I know you were teasing but it is hard to describe shininess. In this case I was trying to describe a shininess or polish level below mirror finish polish. Jim and I agree to disagree on this to not belabor the point which is fine . It happens sometimes.
Now we're judging the gloss of the polish in grit numbers? Where can I get the chart? ::)
Yes I'm teasing and I do very much appreciate your input on these things. More times then not, you're right. Not always, but mostly. ;D
I would describe my valve covers as polished vs. what is on my 68 '350 Cobra covers. Probably "Brillo pad" polished shinny. Sanded would be wrong I think.
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 21, 2019, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 21, 2019, 05:30:51 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 21, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 20, 2019, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: acman63 on March 20, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: JD on March 20, 2019, 08:35:57 AM
Here are two images I have of Terry's car, both would seem (?) to be black ?
Look at the nice polished fins on the valve covers. Next time you see a set of sanded fins and letters think of this picture what they are supposed to look like
Some of the shininess can be attributed to polaroid flash. I don't think highly mirror polished from evidence I have seen. They look better that way IMO but they were more on the order of a 600 grit from evidence I have seen which includes NOS examples. Definitely not mirror shiny originally IMO. Just my opinion others may have different.
I know you were teasing but it is hard to describe shininess. In this case I was trying to describe a shininess or polish level below mirror finish polish. Jim and I agree to disagree on this to not belabor the point which is fine . It happens sometimes.
Now we're judging the gloss of the polish in grit numbers? Where can I get the chart? ::)
Yes I'm teasing and I do very much appreciate your input on these things. More times then not, you're right. Not always, but mostly. ;D
I would describe my valve covers as polished vs. what is on my 68 '350 Cobra covers. Probably "Brillo pad" polished shinny. Sanded would be wrong I think.
Hey if I can be right more times then not and "mostly" then I consider that a win win. ;D
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 21, 2019, 06:49:04 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 21, 2019, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 21, 2019, 05:30:51 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on March 21, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 20, 2019, 06:40:23 PM
Quote from: acman63 on March 20, 2019, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: JD on March 20, 2019, 08:35:57 AM
Here are two images I have of Terry's car, both would seem (?) to be black ?
Look at the nice polished fins on the valve covers. Next time you see a set of sanded fins and letters think of this picture what they are supposed to look like
Some of the shininess can be attributed to polaroid flash. I don't think highly mirror polished from evidence I have seen. They look better that way IMO but they were more on the order of a 600 grit from evidence I have seen which includes NOS examples. Definitely not mirror shiny originally IMO. Just my opinion others may have different.
I know you were teasing but it is hard to describe shininess. In this case I was trying to describe a shininess or polish level below mirror finish polish. Jim and I agree to disagree on this to not belabor the point which is fine . It happens sometimes.
Now we're judging the gloss of the polish in grit numbers? Where can I get the chart? ::)
Yes I'm teasing and I do very much appreciate your input on these things. More times then not, you're right. Not always, but mostly. ;D
I would describe my valve covers as polished vs. what is on my 68 '350 Cobra covers. Probably "Brillo pad" polished shinny. Sanded would be wrong I think.
Hey if I can be right more times then not and "mostly" then I consider that a win win. ;D
I'll agree with that. I can't think of any other place on this planet to get an accurate opinion on a '67 GT500 then from you.
There certainly is no one from my planet (which is not Earth) that knows anything about this subject. More importantly, I no longer speak to them because they don't even care about Shelby's. So unfortunately you are known throughout the Galaxie.
That's largely my fault. That's the breaks? ;D