Just curious if anyone knows why the C0AE-9601-C 427 air filter was used by SAI on the very early cars?
I assume it was for performance reasons, is there any documentation supporting that or any other mention of it? IIRC they quit using it because of hood interference issues.
Thanks,
Dave
I thought 5S003 had that on it.
Wouldn't Mark know? I remember seeing the discussion on the old forum a few years ago.
Yes, 5S003 did have one. This photo of 5011 is one of the better shots I've seen.
I do recall a discussion on the old forum but don't remember if there was any documentation on it other than photos.
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/236-250319163410.jpeg)
Is Buddy on here? I wonder if it's still on the car! ;)
Another one.. guessing either 5021 or 5022?
To the left in the background, also see the large air filter, maybe same car in above photo.
Different number on the windshield, Charles. As an aside, check out the cheap, sheet metal jack stands. I've seen stuff like that collapse on guys. Fortunately, we got to 'em in time.
The filter was a stock 289 Cobra item and its possible they wanted to keep using them as its a larger filter . They had clearance problems with the porthole hoods (check out the screens on original hoods - most all have holes in them!) The stud hits the screen. If you look at the picture of the 65 at the airport with the pretty brunette you can see in one shot the stud is way above the lid of the air cleaner so they went to the shorter element by then but didn't change the stud yet
Is that a fram filter?
CA- 181 PL
Quote from: Harris Speedster on March 25, 2019, 08:55:54 PM
Is that a fram filter?
CA- 181 PL
The air filter? Those were FoMoCo pieces.
Quote from: NC TRACKRAT on March 25, 2019, 08:19:46 PM
Different number on the windshield, Charles. As an aside, check out the cheap, sheet metal jack stands. I've seen stuff like that collapse on guys. Fortunately, we got to 'em in time.
Right, the other one was noted as being 5011. Guessing by the work order, thought it was one of the 2nd set of 4 started on 12/22/64 (5004, 5011, 5021, 5022) The one in my picture appeared to have a '#8' with work order 17008.
Quote from: NC TRACKRAT on March 25, 2019, 08:19:46 PM
Different number on the windshield, Charles. As an aside, check out the cheap, sheet metal jack stands. I've seen stuff like that collapse on guys. Fortunately, we got to 'em in time.
To add, wonder how many white uniforms they had? Or how many the workers went through in any given period of time. Must've used some sort of GoJo laundry detergent. ;D LOL
Check out the greasy place on the floor at reply #4 :o
To add, wonder how many white uniforms they had? Or how many the workers went through in any given period of time. Must've used some sort of GoJo laundry detergent. ;D LOL
Check out the greasy place on the floor at reply #4 :o
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I totally understand the question of wearing white uniforms being a mechanic but it looks like he is is on a creeper in that picture
Quote from: CharlesTurner on March 25, 2019, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: Harris Speedster on March 25, 2019, 08:55:54 PM
Is that a fram filter?
CA- 181 PL
The air filter? Those were FoMoCo pieces.
As Charles said those in the photo were no doubt FoMoCo C0AE-9601-C filters. The period Fram replacement was CA-183-PL, long obsolete. Years ago I compared a Fram with an NOS FoMoCo and they were identical.
Quote from: KerryBWhite on March 25, 2019, 09:52:19 PM
To add, wonder how many white uniforms they had? Or how many the workers went through in any given period of time. Must've used some sort of GoJo laundry detergent. ;D LOL
Check out the greasy place on the floor at reply #4 :o
I totally understand the question of wearing white uniforms being a mechanic but it looks like he is on a creeper in that picture.
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Yes, I knew that, I must've not used exact words or not enough words. I was just making the point of the shop area being pretty greasy from all the work with oils and fluids they used when doing the upgrades.
Not to get sidetracked from the OT, but doing a quick search on mechanic coveralls yielded a few explanations...
White because:
-Cooler
-Easier to see patches/team insignias
-Cheaper to make, no dye
At one point, painters wearing white designated they were union
Quote from: s2ms on March 25, 2019, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: CharlesTurner on March 25, 2019, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: Harris Speedster on March 25, 2019, 08:55:54 PM
Is that a fram filter?
CA- 181 PL
The air filter? Those were FoMoCo pieces.
As Charles said those in the photo were no doubt FoMoCo C0AE-9601-C filters. The period Fram replacement was CA-183-PL, long obsolete. Years ago I compared a Fram with an NOS FoMoCo and they were identical.
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I thought the nos one I have here looked very much like the one pictured in the Shelby pictures shown.
It is a C- 181- PL though,
John
John,
I have one of each in old crusty boxes. The CA181PL is the 289 HiPo filter, the taller 427 filter is CA183PL, both long obsolete.
Dave
Quote from: s2ms on March 26, 2019, 12:17:19 PM
John,
I have one of each in old crusty boxes. The CA181PL is the 289 HiPo filter, the taller 427 filter is CA183PL, both long obsolete.
Dave
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Dave,
This one has its original box, and yes ,it does say hipo usage, But;
it also says 427 ford, mercury, comet, fairlaine,
That is why I asked my original question.
Thanks for getting it straight
I am reassured now of how to list it.
john
427 Galaxie 4V made by Fram®, marked FoMoCo®.
(http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/3253/medium/Item_6_3_.JPG)
Recently sold the ones I had....cheap.
The 1963-64 High Performance 289 Fairlane and Cobra element was much shorter in height.
(http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/3253/medium/IMG_5841_-_Copy.JPG)
Mr. Mannel's book indicates that the change from the 1963 'tuned' (a.k.a. double hump) air cleaner top design to the new flat top 1965 design was a running change early in the 1965 model year. When SFM5S003 was completed there wasn't a street GT350 parts department per se yet but there were plenty of Cobra parts in house.
Dan,
Automotive history is always fascinating to me.
Investigations and lots of work go into documenting facts.
Would like to point out a few bits about the air cleaner in topic.
The short one you pictured was Fords first attempt at paper filament air cleaner technology.
As with anything, this is of my best knowledge.
Ford first introduced the paper element in their 1957 Ford line ups.
Ironically, the same filter used on a 1965 Shelby, found its start on a 1957 Ford Thunderbird. ECJ
The Fram box also has it noted >> for usage on the 57 Bird.
Oil bath reigned supreme for literally a 1/2 Century.
There may be an exception, but I never have heard or seen of one.
The Paxton air cleaner paper filament is another ford carry over, which Ford first used in 1957.
I provided a picture in the paxton air cleaner topic in the saac forum.
It too has the Ford oval printed and its rubber was a blueish/ green color.
BTW, same color used on the first paxton air cleaners, and dual four paper element.
As mentioned, a paxton topic on air cleaners has the color shown
I must add, not sure what paxton used beforehand, oil, I would doubt it?
Even though it is out of sequence, ford used E a lot for the start of part numbers in the 50's.
B was commonly used to describe the 50's cars/parts.
And as everybody knows here, C became the 60's car/parts start number.
Respectfully submitted,
John.
Thanks for the photos Dan.
I'm still curious why those very early cars got the taller 427 C0AE filter. Wouldn't they have had their OE 289 HiPo filters when they arrived at SAI from SJ? Why not just reuse those as ultimately done anyway?
Quote from: s2ms on March 27, 2019, 11:47:32 AM
Thanks for the photos Dan.
I'm still curious why those very early cars got the taller 427 C0AE filter. Wouldn't they have had their OE 289 HiPo filters when they arrived at SAI from SJ? Why not just reuse those as ultimately done anyway?
Guessing it was done for performance reasons...