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Title: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on March 31, 2019, 07:18:18 AM
I k ow itís been asked but anyone make or have a set of the black interior trunk pieces for a 1966 GT350
One of mine is cracked and all of the repopieces I have seen donít fit well and are the incorrect grain/texture
See picture the bottom one is original
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: commok on November 20, 2020, 08:19:23 AM
Steve, where you able to find an acceptable source? My trim pieces are original, and warped, or more precisely, wavy...
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Shawn on November 20, 2020, 09:39:39 AM
Also looking for a correct full set.  Do we know if accurate reproductions are being made?
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 20, 2020, 09:42:13 AM
I havenít found a correct repo set yet, have about 4-5 warped and broken originals but havenít done anything with them yet
I did hear of a guy in Calif was making sets but lost the contact info when my old computer crashed and burned taking all that info with it
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: gjz30075 on November 20, 2020, 10:45:59 AM
Steve, this might be the info you're looking for:
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=524.msg3016#msg3016
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: TJinSA on November 20, 2020, 11:01:15 AM
Coumt me in for a complete set as 296 did not take 115outside a trailer it was in very well.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 20, 2020, 11:40:37 AM
Steve, this might be the info you're looking for:
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=524.msg3016#msg3016

Thatís it ! 
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Shawn on November 20, 2020, 12:06:35 PM
Steve, this might be the info you're looking for:
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=524.msg3016#msg3016

Thatís it !

Steve,

Just checking seems like a lot of us are looking for the same thing.  Do you plan on reaching out to him for availability and pricing of the trim pieces?  If so, maybe a collective large order may work out for everyone looking for a set.  I'm also curious as to the finish product in a Judged Class DIV II.  Randy's reply to the other thread identified them as Fiberglass and not the original injected molded plastic.  Could you post the results here after your conversation?

Respectfully,

Shawn
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Chad on November 21, 2020, 03:22:56 PM
Hey everyone,  I am currently in the process of having these pieces made.  I am in the plastics business and I have some contacts for this kind of stuff.  I am having them made in the exact same way they were originally.  Also they are being made out of the same material as original.  This is very important so you can manipulate them when being installed.  I should have something in about three months.
Chad
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Karguy on November 21, 2020, 04:50:42 PM
I was fortunate enough to purchase a complete set of new old stock, from Shelby, complete quarter window kit for 6S281. Incredibly, they are still in the box and wrapped in 1966 Los Angeles times newspaper. The NOS trim should allow for an exact copy. I have been in contact with a local plastic company who is ready to assist with recommendations on material and a manufacturer as soon as COVID allows us to open up a little bit. He seems to think it will be possible to re-create exact copies, plastic, texture etc.
Iím curious, what say the forum members concerning a reasonable retail price and any idea on how many sets could be sold for really nice accurate reproductions?
Thanks
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 21, 2020, 06:33:34 PM
I was fortunate enough to purchase a complete set of new old stock, from Shelby, complete quarter window kit for 6S281. Incredibly, they are still in the box and wrapped in 1966 Los Angeles times newspaper. The NOS trim should allow for an exact copy. I have been in contact with a local plastic company who is ready to assist with recommendations on material and a manufacturer as soon as COVID allows us to open up a little bit. He seems to think it will be possible to re-create exact copies, plastic, texture etc.
Iím curious, what say the forum members concerning a reasonable retail price and any idea on how many sets could be sold for really nice accurate reproductions?
Thanks
Iíd be willing to buy a set if they look like original and more importantly that they actually fit. I spent hours and hours attempting to get a ďrepoĒ set to fit and they donít fit very well
Branda get $129 for a set of interior panels id go as high $200 for just the interior panels (4 pieces)
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: shlby66 on November 21, 2020, 08:19:27 PM
Branda get $129 for a set of interior panels.

       And, none of Brandas, has ever fit.

       Just a reminder for fit: sometimes, the SA workers, cut out too much material from the interior sail panels,
       leaving an opening too large, for the 1/4 window panels to fit properly...even from the factory.

       Doug C.   
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on November 21, 2020, 08:40:32 PM
Suggestion: While I adhere to the military axiom "Dual channel for reliability", if Karguy and Chad will converse in order to obtain the most correct and economical build, it will benefit us all and allow the most viable source to proceed.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Shawn on November 22, 2020, 10:59:41 AM
Suggestion: While I adhere to the military axiom "Dual channel for reliability", if Karguy and Chad will converse in order to obtain the most correct and economical build, it will benefit us all and allow the most viable source to proceed.

Very good point. 
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on November 22, 2020, 07:26:42 PM
Another suggestion:  I know from experience that tooling up for items like this is expensive.  I'd be willing (and perhaps others here) to contribute to the effort in advance in return for a set from the first production run.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: plowhorse on November 22, 2020, 11:51:52 PM
I have a set from the above mentioned guy from California.
While the texture was very accurate, they were about 3/8 inch short of fitting in my aluminum quarter window frames.
For Sale if anybody wants them.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: kingchief on November 23, 2020, 07:24:45 AM
I am interested in a set also. Please keep us posted.

Happy Holidays!

Steve
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on November 23, 2020, 07:26:43 AM
Count me in as well to this ďcrowd fundingĒ
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: bluemax on November 23, 2020, 09:10:57 AM
I would be interested as well.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: SFM6S on November 23, 2020, 11:57:04 AM
I would buy a set and prepay as well.

Joe
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Doug C on November 23, 2020, 11:59:27 AM
I would be interested as well.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Chad on November 23, 2020, 03:00:23 PM
I will keep you guys posted.  It is going to be a three month process.  So that is what the maker is telling me so that means 4 months.
Chad
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Cjc6566 on November 23, 2020, 08:24:35 PM
I  would love a set and willing to pay in advance and contribute to tooling-

Thanks

Cory James
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Doug C on November 23, 2020, 10:21:50 PM
I  would love a set and willing to pay in advance and contribute to tooling-

Thanks

Cory James

I would also assist with some dollars if needed.  Doug C
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Doug C on November 23, 2020, 10:57:48 PM
I  would love a set and willing to pay in advance and contribute to tooling-

Thanks

Cory James

I would also assist with some dollars if needed.  Doug C
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: s2ms on November 24, 2020, 12:25:29 AM
These things must have started warping almost immediately. I have a photo of my 66 interior taken in 1973 by a friend of the owner at the time showing the trim , looks exactly the same as it does today....wavy.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 24, 2020, 12:30:25 AM
These things must have started warping almost immediately. I have a photo of my 66 interior taken in 1973 by a friend of the owner at the time showing the trim , looks exactly the same as it does today....wavy.
It probably didn't take too many heat cycles for the plastic to start warping.Of course some are worse then others.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: commok on November 27, 2020, 12:57:25 AM
Iím definitely in, and $200 would seem to be an entirely appropriate price for quality set of 4....
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: C Griffith on November 27, 2020, 01:00:38 PM
I'd be willing to buy a LH&RH set if they look original and fit.
Saves me from making them in my shop. The best of luck to ya.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Chad on November 27, 2020, 08:49:08 PM
Guys thank you for all the offers in helping to pay for the tooling. At this time I have it covered.  The tooling cost will dictate what the price of the pieces are.

Thanks
Chad
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Shawn on February 14, 2021, 11:55:08 AM
Chad - any update on your progress getting the parts made? 

Thanks
Shawn
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on February 14, 2021, 12:59:33 PM
+1. Any updates?
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Shelby_r_b on February 14, 2021, 04:57:30 PM
Yes, inquiring minds want to know. 😉
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Chad on February 14, 2021, 07:37:46 PM
Hey everyone,  I am supposed to have a sample at the end of this month.  I will follow up with my friend/supplier that is making these for me and I will post more of an update this week.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on February 14, 2021, 08:11:32 PM
🙏
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Chad on February 15, 2021, 04:00:09 PM
I spoke to my friend and he said the molds are finished and they are running samples.  They will send me a sample as soon as they have it dialed in.  stay tuned!
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Doug C on February 15, 2021, 06:41:08 PM
Thanks for the update...
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: kingchief on February 16, 2021, 09:29:29 AM
 ;D

GREAT! Can't wait!

Steve
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: alexgt350h on February 16, 2021, 09:57:41 AM
Good deal! A much need part.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Shawn on April 06, 2021, 05:11:18 PM
Chad -

What's the latest? 

Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on April 28, 2021, 06:27:12 PM
Any updates?
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: s_eagle on April 28, 2021, 06:46:11 PM
Lots of folks wanting in on this!  Me included!

Rob
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Chad on April 28, 2021, 10:16:49 PM
Hey everyone,

I got my first samples two weeks ago and they looked really good.  They have to tweak a few things and make another sample set. These things are going to be great.  They are made exactly the way they were originally and out of the same material!  Unfortunately they are not going to be cheap. Like everything in life it has cost more than I originally thought   
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Jbarela on April 29, 2021, 01:14:51 AM
Hi Chad, Thanks for your efforts on driving this project with your friend. Question since there are going to be master moulds for the final product can you friend offer them in fiberglass also? I just cant see putting these on so that they can just warp again down the line.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Shelby_r_b on April 29, 2021, 07:30:53 PM
Hey everyone,

I got my first samples two weeks ago and they looked really good.  They have to tweak a few things and make another sample set. These things are going to be great.  They are made exactly the way they were originally and out of the same material!  Unfortunately they are not going to be cheap. Like everything in life it has cost more than I originally thought

Can you share what the potential cost will be for a complete set?
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Chad on April 29, 2021, 08:02:03 PM
You cannot use these molds to make fiberglass parts.  Also you can not make fiberglass parts fit.  They have to be made out of plastic so you can manipulate them to fit.  The price is probably going to be around $500 per set. 
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Jbarela on April 30, 2021, 12:14:09 AM
You cannot use these molds to make fiberglass parts.  Also you can not make fiberglass parts fit.  They have to be made out of plastic so you can manipulate them to fit.  The price is probably going to be around $500 per set.
It could be my old age but I just dont understand, is anything being done to strengthen them/reinforce  them so they dont warp just like all our originals did and are?. Just like if an original 65 plastic gauge pod was replicated with the same material, it would just warp again. So excited and 8nterested in this project, I just want to better understand what I will be getting and if it's worth the time and effort for replacement. Thanks again for your efforts.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Bob Gaines on April 30, 2021, 10:12:22 AM
You cannot use these molds to make fiberglass parts.  Also you can not make fiberglass parts fit.  They have to be made out of plastic so you can manipulate them to fit.  The price is probably going to be around $500 per set.
It could be my old age but I just dont understand, is anything being done to strengthen them/reinforce  them so they dont warp just like all our originals did and are?. Just like if an original 65 plastic gauge pod was replicated with the same material, it would just warp again. So excited and 8nterested in this project, I just want to better understand what I will be getting and if it's worth the time and effort for replacement. Thanks again for your efforts.
It was not a forgone conclusion that every trim piece or dash pod would warp . Many did but some didn't. To each their own but I think a exact looking quarter window trim would be a God send regardless of if made out of original materials that had a tendency to warp over time or the modern equivalent material that might not as much. At least compared to the ill fitting and different texture looking fiberglass trim alternatives IMO. 
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on April 30, 2021, 10:33:43 AM
+1, would rather have original type then fiberglass
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Chad on April 30, 2021, 11:14:52 AM
Guys one thing you have to remember is they parts warped because the cars sat out in the sun as daily drivers for years.  They amount of time your cars sit in the sun now is an absolute fraction of time!
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: davez on April 30, 2021, 01:24:41 PM
I would also be willing to bet that even if the same type of material is used,  the chemical makeup is different and will behave differently.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Jbarela on April 30, 2021, 01:57:53 PM
I agree 100%, anything that is better than what's currently available is always a winner! Bob made a good point, old plastic versus possibly better modern equivalent plastic. Did not mean to come across as a negative nancy they were just questions of concern. Thank you again
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: s_eagle on May 24, 2021, 07:47:00 PM
Chad

Hate to bother you but these trim pieces are basically the last thing I need to finish a restoration!  Any updates?  Thanks much

Rob
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: poboy427 on May 28, 2021, 07:48:24 PM
I need a set too to finish my car. The only area of the car I'm still not happy with.

Where to cut templates for the new interior receiving panels would be nice in a kit.

Ray

Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: shlby66 on May 28, 2021, 08:31:20 PM

  For those of you, who haven't had the pleasure, of installing the 1/4 window trim pieces, please be Aware....

  Pay close attention, to the interior sail panels, where the chrome trim, has been cut out for the 1/4 window install.

  Sometimes, the SA workers were not too careful and removed too much material and the opening is too large, to
  allow, the trim pieces, to fit properly. I noticed that the trim pieces ( originals ) in my Shelby never matched at the ends.
  They were spread apart.

  When I went to install replacement trim panels, I found when I had them snugly in the rear, I had about 3/16" gap at 
  the front and when I moved them forward, I had the same size gap at the rear. Trying to equally place them in the
  opening, didn't work, as they just didn't look right.

  So my solution, was to procure a real nice set of used interior sail panels and take the time to mark the cut out area
  accurately and was very careful, in cutting out the trim pieces. This paid off, as the replacement 1/4 trim pieces, fit
  perfectly.

  I'm sure, my Shelby, isn't the only one that came from SA, with this condition, concerning the 1/4 windows.  Just be
  aware, it's a possibility and take a close look at what you have.  Good Luck

  Doug Cresanta




 



Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: s_eagle on July 31, 2021, 10:39:15 AM
Chad

How is your project going?  Looking forward to seeing how and turns out and hopefully getting a set.  Thanks

Rob
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: kingchief on July 31, 2021, 03:26:39 PM
+1
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Chad on July 31, 2021, 10:55:03 PM
Good question. We think we have a company that will do the molding but we have to make a few tweaks  to the mold and the vacuum system.  Hopefully I will have some samples in a month or two.  I know I have said that before but I am going on what my friend tells me.  He is working hard on this.
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: poboy427 on September 12, 2021, 12:33:40 PM
+1 

The last pieces I need to complete my car.  Mine car will come home without any and will sit this winter til the issue is resolved.

I did not realize Chad was this far in fixing this issue when I mentioned 3D printing as a solution in another thread.

Ray
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: Chad on September 12, 2021, 01:45:36 PM
Ray I am in the same boat as you.  My Hertz car has undergone a complete resto and all I need to complete it is the trim pieces.  I am supposed to have new samples this month but I am not holding my breath.  You can not push anyone in the plastics business these days.  They have more work than they can handle and a small project like this is of no interest to those companies. 
Title: Re: Rear quarter Window Interior Trim
Post by: poboy427 on September 12, 2021, 05:35:14 PM
I hear you Chad. We wait together. Admittedly I know little about plastics molded or printed.

I do agree all mfg is backed up. Maybe some "limo pull shades" in the interim ;)

Ray