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Title: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: anghelrestorations on June 29, 2019, 01:32:11 AM
Working on a new project here where I will put something together that has all suspension components from 65 to 73.  Will update as I add sections.
This is what we have so far.  Feel free to comment....

http://anghelrestorations.com/uploads/3/5/1/2/35122002/65_to_73_suspension_guide_v1.5aa.pdf (http://anghelrestorations.com/uploads/3/5/1/2/35122002/65_to_73_suspension_guide_v1.5aa.pdf)
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: shelbymann1970 on June 29, 2019, 09:20:10 AM
Thanks again as always Marcus. Gary
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: 2112 on June 29, 2019, 12:18:56 PM
Nicely done, thank you.
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on June 29, 2019, 06:12:21 PM
Unbelievable attention to detail
Thanks
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: CSX 4133 on June 29, 2019, 07:09:22 PM

Excellent resource, thank you. Looking forward to future postings.
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: anghelrestorations on June 30, 2019, 02:47:05 AM
Thanks all.  Will post when I have more sections added little by little. 
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: Cam shaft on June 30, 2019, 12:08:56 PM
Nicely done as always,
thank you
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: 8T03S1425 on June 30, 2019, 05:42:23 PM
Another GREAT article Marcus.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Steve
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: corbins on June 30, 2019, 08:46:28 PM
blocked by Windows defender as not safe ???
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: anghelrestorations on June 30, 2019, 09:50:10 PM
Just try going to my website directly and you can find it on the Factoid tab of the site.
Otherwise may want to try a different browser like Google Chrome or FireFox. 
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: Bobby Crumpley on July 03, 2019, 09:04:42 AM
Fantastic Marcus, like your engine detailing guides, I'm sure I will be referencing often.
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: anghelrestorations on December 04, 2019, 06:11:09 PM
Updated links here now that include information on the upper and lower control arms...

http://anghelrestorations.com/uploads/3/5/1/2/35122002/65_to_73_suspension_guide_v1.5aa.pdf (http://anghelrestorations.com/uploads/3/5/1/2/35122002/65_to_73_suspension_guide_v1.5aa.pdf)
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: hurlbird on December 30, 2019, 10:14:17 AM
thanks for doing this!! just what I needed. May I make a suggestion... many of us will have access to different sources of colors, therefore it would be very helpful if you could list parts by grouping and general color. Meaning:
Parts A,B,C,D- Bright natural
Parts E,F- Natural w/ clear coat
Parts X,Y,Z- Gloss black
Parts G,H,I- Cast gray
Parts M,N- Deep red (same as undercoating Oxide)

ETC, ETC
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 30, 2019, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: anghelrestorations on December 04, 2019, 06:11:09 PM

Updated links here now that include information on the upper and lower control arms...

http://anghelrestorations.com/uploads/3/5/1/2/35122002/65_to_73_suspension_guide_v1.4a.pdf (http://anghelrestorations.com/uploads/3/5/1/2/35122002/65_to_73_suspension_guide_v1.4a.pdf)
Great job. A lot of work. On pg 14 the date of NOV 66 changeover date to cutback style needs to be reviewed IMO.
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: Chad on December 31, 2019, 09:50:07 AM
Wow,  This is great.  Thanks for all you do Marcus!!

Chad
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: Special Ed on December 31, 2019, 10:11:14 AM
From my reseach the c70z a and b 4 rivet uppers were cutback in 68 1/2 for tire clearance for the cj cars new f-70-14 polyglas and e-70-15 polyglas Shelby tires and continued into all 69 mustangs cougars except for the 69 boss and f-60-15 Shelby cars. Then having front 2 rivet holes cracking from weakening after trimming the a -arm back for tire clearance ford then redesigned the upper arm in 70 and up to new 3 rivet type.
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: TLea on January 01, 2020, 08:44:59 PM
+1
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: shelbydoug on January 02, 2020, 09:44:29 AM
Quote from: Special Ed on December 31, 2019, 10:11:14 AM
From my reseach the c70z a and b 4 rivet uppers were cutback in 68 1/2 for tire clearance for the cj cars new f-70-14 polyglas and e-70-15 polyglas Shelby tires and continued into all 69 mustangs cougars except for the 69 boss and f-60-15 Shelby cars. Then having front 2 rivet holes cracking from weakening after trimming the a -arm back for tire clearance ford then redesigned the upper arm in 70 and up to new 3 rivet type.

What does the "cut back design" look like?
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 02, 2020, 10:28:23 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 02, 2020, 09:44:29 AM

What does the "cut back design" look like?
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There should be a pic in Marcus's detailing guide, link on page 1 of this thread.
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: shelbydoug on January 02, 2020, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: CharlesTurner on January 02, 2020, 10:28:23 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 02, 2020, 09:44:29 AM

What does the "cut back design" look like?

There should be a pic in Marcus's detailing guide, link on page 1 of this thread.
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OK. Got it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: Special Ed on January 02, 2020, 10:50:01 AM
The upper 4 rivet a-arm was metal sheared off around the 2 outer corners by the rivets for more tire clearance. The metal in that area was a rolled over lip around the ball joint but after the metal was trimmed off it was  weakened by the 2 outer rivets leaving only about a 1/4'' flat metal left between rivet and edge of metal so removing the wider rolled down metal lip greatly weakened that area leaving a crack between rivet and outer edge of metal. Most if these cutback arms have to  have crack welded up before restoring them.
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: anghelrestorations on January 26, 2020, 11:49:21 AM
I haven't checked in with the forum here in a while and just seeing the comments here.  I had to go back thru my notes and I did actually make a mistake here so its good that everyone commented.  I misread the MPC for the cutback upper control arms and this was something introduced in 1968, and not earlier than that.  I will revise the suspension guide with that information.

The August 1968 MPC below shows and comments that the cutback upper control arms (C70Z-3082-C) were introduced in 1968 when the CJ cars came out.  I will add to that (others can comment) that you will see the cutback arms on not just Cobra Jet cars but also non Cobra Jet cars during that time frame. 

Also posting some photos here of an NOS cutback upper control arm showing the -C sticker. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49445030737_3a1feb8d10_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ikhGZX)IMG_2372 (2) (https://flic.kr/p/2ikhGZX) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49445030912_e65aee72f7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ikhH3Y)IMG_2358 (https://flic.kr/p/2ikhH3Y) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49444804551_b5f805fc3a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ikgxLc)IMG_2361 (1) (https://flic.kr/p/2ikgxLc) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49444323253_6e2088ca9a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ike5FX)IMG_2363 (https://flic.kr/p/2ike5FX) by Marcus Anghel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154714213@N02/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: shelbymann1970 on January 28, 2020, 09:10:13 AM
My late Jan 1968 Shelby had all the original suspension on it and it had the standard non cutback arms on it so it followed suit. Gary
Title: Re: Suspension Detailing Guide
Post by: anghelrestorations on February 02, 2020, 04:46:10 PM
Updated the article on my website and the link in this thread as well with changes.