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Title: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: 2112 on July 12, 2019, 11:08:49 AM
This 1966 Shelby Mustang GT350 is finished in green with gold stripes and is powered by a 289ci V8 paired with a T10 four-speed manual transmission. The car was sold new at S & C Motors in San Francisco, California and reportedly remained with its original owner until 1993. A second owner in Manteca, California kept the car until 1997. A third owner in Santa Monica parked the car, and it was sold as a "garage find" to the selling dealer in 2017. The cylinder heads were machined and brake service was performed in 2017, and new components installed by Check Point Automotive of Culver City, California included a clutch and throw-out bearing, radiator, timing chain, fluids and gaskets, spark plugs and wires, heater core, and exhaust. The selling dealer has since driven the car approximately 1,200 miles. This GT350 is now offered with copies of original paperwork, service records, serial-number verification from the Shelby American Automobile Club, and a clean California title.

BaT Essentials
Lot #21046
Seller: emark
Location: Los Angeles, California 90067
Chassis: SFM6S1124
6k Miles Shown, TMU
Numbers-Matching 289ci V8
T10 4-Speed Manual Transmission
Ivy Green with Gold Stripes
Black Vinyl Interior
Recent Timing Chain, Clutch, Tires, and More
California Black Plates
Records and Invoices
Private Party or Dealer: Dealer
Additional Charges From This Dealer: USD $0 Document Fee

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-shelby-gt350-7/


Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: silverton_ford on July 12, 2019, 12:41:13 PM
I like it.   Thank you for posting.   It is difficult to keep up with all the different cars on BAT.   I will be watching this one.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: BGlover67 on July 12, 2019, 01:17:28 PM
That's because Michael is addicted to BaT.  I hear the Betty Ford center is starting a new program to help with that.  Now if they could just help me with my eBay problem...
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: gt350hr on July 12, 2019, 01:31:21 PM
   Gold stripes added to a non Hertz car. "I" would not call it unrestored , but that's just me.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: 2112 on July 12, 2019, 02:18:18 PM
Quote from: BGlover67 on July 12, 2019, 01:17:28 PM
That's because Michael is addicted to BaT.  I hear the Betty Ford center is starting a new program to help with that.  Now if they could just help me with my eBay problem...

Hah it is true! I love the drama in the comment section where guys flex their minutiae muscle and argue about details of correctness.

I love the GM muscle car arguments. GM did not do a good job of specifying the model options so it is very hard to tell if a car is really a SS, an RS/SS a 375 horse 396 a 435 horse 427 etc.

Fun times.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: 2112 on July 12, 2019, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: gt350hr on July 12, 2019, 01:31:21 PM
   Gold stripes added to a non Hertz car. "I" would not call it unrestored , but that's just me.

I guess I consider a car restored when it is really gone thru and made as close to original as the owner can afford.

This car is lightly modified in period, including a decades old repaint. Hence my interpretation of unrestored.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: sfm5s081 on July 12, 2019, 02:51:01 PM
It's my car. Gotta love the "experts" on BAT. It's entertaining though
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: gt350hr on July 12, 2019, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: 2112 on July 12, 2019, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: gt350hr on July 12, 2019, 01:31:21 PM
   Gold stripes added to a non Hertz car. "I" would not call it unrestored , but that's just me.

I guess I consider a car restored when it is really gone thru and made as close to original as the owner can afford.

This car is lightly modified in period, including a decades old repaint. Hence my interpretation of unrestored.

         I see your point. Repop  Blue Streaks are a nice touch. Too bad Checkpoint Auto put the coil on the wrong side. LOL It DOES look like a very nice car. All California history might mean it has original floor pans which "I" consider a plus.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: capecodmustang.com on July 12, 2019, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: sfm5s081 on July 12, 2019, 02:51:01 PM
It's my car. Gotta love the "experts" on BAT. It's entertaining though

I had a car on BAT once..
It was hell.

Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: Vernon Estes on July 12, 2019, 06:15:14 PM
The comment section on BaT can be your greatest ally or your worst enemy..goes both ways.  There are almost always guys who comment who dont know their head from their arse when it comes to the specific car and seem to really like to hear themselves talk (not unlike most forums)...but for each one of those guys there are many other posters who are passionate, positive, and knowledgeable about the specific car.  And Ive seen many instances where a well-meaning potential bidder is saved from a big mistake because a poster contributes to an auction.

Ive sold a few cars through BaT and I have greatly enjoyed the process.

Kind regards,
Vern
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: FL SAAC on July 12, 2019, 08:20:18 PM
kool
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: cob4ra on July 13, 2019, 05:31:38 PM
It appears that the black plates expired Jan 18 and should be able to just pay the late fees and keep them on the car; when I got my black plate 66 the plates were on a non -op" so the car still has them current and original SVS725; my friend in SAAC At the time had done some research and had found only eight original 66 Shelby's with their original black plates still currently registered back in 97 ? I wonder how many there really is ?
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: sfm5s081 on July 13, 2019, 07:10:57 PM
Not to worry cob4ra, I have the stickers floating around.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: J_Speegle on July 14, 2019, 05:05:36 PM
Interesting car mostly since its stated that the car was in my little town for a few years. Don't recall ever seeing it out and about.  Know I would have remembered those rear speakers and interesting flasher switch location  though have seen that (switch location) done before
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: pchmotoho on July 14, 2019, 05:57:03 PM
What's interesting though is that BAT quickly deleted a comment from someone who KNOWS these cars. I think it's a neat looking car but BAT loses credibility with me when they do stuff like that.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: cob4ra on July 14, 2019, 06:00:18 PM
What did the post say ? Best you can recall??
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: 2112 on July 14, 2019, 06:07:09 PM
Quote from: cob4ra on July 14, 2019, 06:00:18 PM
What did the post say ? Best you can recall??

I think t was deleted cause it was tagged by several people as being non-constructive, not BaT deleted.

It said he inspected the car a few years back and the rear spring perch area was suspect. I think he meant at the frame rails.

Somebody else backed that up and that post is still standing.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: pchmotoho on July 14, 2019, 06:47:54 PM
Ok, I was just talking to a friend about this and he said that if a whole lot of people flag a comment it will be flagged. My error, but IMHO this is still a flaw with BAT. I'd love to say I'll get 20 minutes of my life back every day and boycott BAT but who am I kidding!

Back on topic though, an opinion (a very constructive one which many people have paid a lot of money to get from this guy) was deleted from someone who just provided the BAT community his very well respected view for free.

Once again nothing is perfect but maybe BAT could actually read a comment and determine if it is in fact non constructive.  However as you did point out the other comments are still standing.

The car looks nice and I hope it stays in So. Cal.  I would love to see it in person.


Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: 2112 on July 15, 2019, 01:00:42 AM
I think Mcpaxtonman's comment was factual, but a little harsh in tone.

In my opinion, if he could have shared the same information with a little more sensitivity to the fact it is somebody's else's auction it might not have been flagged. I am not sure how many flags it takes to get a comment deleted, I am guessing 3-4.

BTW, I did not flag it. I have never flagged a comment. I thought it was an informative post myself.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: shelbymann1970 on July 15, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: 2112 on July 15, 2019, 01:00:42 AM
I think Mcpaxtonman's comment was factual, but a little harsh in tone.

In my opinion, if he could have shared the same information with a little more sensitivity to the fact it is somebody's else's auction it might not have been flagged. I am not sure how many flags it takes to get a comment deleted, I am guessing 3-4.

BTW, I did not flag it. I have never flagged a comment. I thought it was an informative post myself.
interesting discussion about flagging. If only 3 or 4 a seller could easily manipulate comments....Gary
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: pchmotoho on July 15, 2019, 03:39:49 PM
I too have never flagged a comment. Like most everything else BAT is just a tool for any buyer to use.
Didn't realize so few people could get a post deleted. The best advice today for any buyer is the same as it ever was.  Hire a Shelby expert!
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: Bigfoot on July 15, 2019, 06:25:56 PM
Quote from: pchmotoho on July 14, 2019, 05:57:03 PM
What's interesting though is that BAT quickly deleted a comment from someone who KNOWS these cars. I think it's a neat looking car but BAT loses credibility with me when they do stuff like that.

Wurd
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: gt350hr on July 15, 2019, 06:33:55 PM
Quote from: sfm5s081 on July 12, 2019, 02:51:01 PM
It's my car. Gotta love the "experts" on BAT. It's entertaining though

   If it's your car how do you respond to the statements made by McPaxtonman? Disregarding his aggressive response are the facts true?
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: 2112 on July 15, 2019, 11:25:25 PM
The flagged comments were restored.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: gt350hr on July 16, 2019, 11:40:22 AM
  Craig's ( McPaxtonman) comments (IMHO) are valid and the current owner has actual had several addressed if you read carefully. Tune up , valve work , straightened the under ride bars ( or replaced).  Sour grapes? Not Craig. I would bet he has owned close to 100 Shelbys by now including a '65 R Model.
     The information regarding the front attaching point for the leaf springs is very important and the average inspector" probably wouldn't look at that area. In my case I have drag raced 6S477 for 45 years and can tell you right where to look for "stress points" and signs of abuse. Mine certainly has them. In the case of 1124 I would call it "abuse" as there are ( to me) not enough signs of drag racing serious enough to cause those issues.
    1124 none the less remains a nice car , FAR better than many with large amounts of panel replacement. A little more work would improve it more.
   Randy
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: sfm5s081 on July 16, 2019, 02:30:02 PM
I try to stay as active as possible as a buyer and or a seller. I really enjoy the haters and people trying to knock whatever it is. The side line guys, armchair quarterbacks, people taking cheap shots. The car is over 50 years old, they were sold new as race cars and they were anything but "grocery getters." So most of them have lived a rough life. The whole #s matching trend now is really on the rise. Same thing with Porsche 356s, Corvettes, etc. Yeah, the original engine was removed day 1, and shelved... Riiiiiight. In the case of 1124 the car was driven, enjoyed and maintained. It really does have the original drive line and it's been verified. It's a hell of an original, Ca car. Of course there are some bumps, scrapes, and whatever else comes with a car of it's age. I am not representing the car as a perfect car. In fact none of them really are. They weren't perfect cars from the factory. Everybody wants something for nothing- I get it. The people who cry the loudest are the chickens hiding in the peanut gallery with no money. The same guys who try to talk crap about you when you are leaving with their woman, or in this case the car they missed out on. It happens, no big deal. Of course I welcome any inspection. But to sit back like a little *itch and cry, while trying to take cheap shots from a new on-line account; well, that's just not cool.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: gt350hr on July 16, 2019, 05:09:56 PM
   Thanks for the history lesson on these cars. What makes me think you weren't born by '66? Good luck with your sale.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: pmustang on July 16, 2019, 06:10:08 PM
I totally get this as I sell classic Mustangs here in the UK

"The people who cry the loudest are the chickens hiding in the peanut gallery with no money."

I have a few idiots who harass me on Ebay about my prices....only up to the point that the car they are moaning is overpriced then sells and isn't on Ebay anymore

Good luck with your sale.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: sfm5s081 on July 16, 2019, 07:01:57 PM
Opinions are like, oh well, you know the saying.
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: 66TotalPerf on July 17, 2019, 03:12:20 AM
Beautiful '66! Love the green/gold combo and its driven history!

One photo I found interesting is the engine compartment. I've never seen shock towers with holes cut out for, what I'm assuming, is to provide UCA zerk fitting access. Was this a mod done before the 90-degree fittings became available?

Good luck with the sale!
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: J_Speegle on July 17, 2019, 04:10:09 AM
Quote from: Brent on July 17, 2019, 03:12:20 AM
One photo I found interesting is the engine compartment. I've never seen shock towers with holes cut out for, what I'm assuming, is to provide UCA zerk fitting access. Was this a mod done before the 90-degree fittings became available?

Yes its done for access to the owner added zert fittings. Most of the time they are not that pretty.

Plenty of owners don't like messing with the 90 degree angle or crawling under the car. Done this way its allot easier so owners of early Mustangs continue to do this 
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: Bobby Crumpley on July 17, 2019, 08:34:42 AM
I'm impressed that someone went to the trouble of using a hole saw or knockout punch.  Almost everyone that I've seen was done with a torch...
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: TOBKOB on July 17, 2019, 09:02:50 AM
QuoteI'm impressed that someone went to the trouble of using a hole saw or knockout punch.  Almost everyone that I've seen was done with a torch...
+1... not very pretty... ::)

TOB
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: sfm5s081 on July 17, 2019, 10:03:00 AM
Quote from: TOBKOB on July 17, 2019, 09:02:50 AM
QuoteI'm impressed that someone went to the trouble of using a hole saw or knockout punch.  Almost everyone that I've seen was done with a torch...
+1... not very pretty... ::)

TOB

+1, it's just how they did things back then. I've seen it on many other cars as well
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: shelbymann1970 on July 17, 2019, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: gt350hr on July 16, 2019, 11:40:22 AM
  Craig's ( McPaxtonman) comments (IMHO) are valid and the current owner has actual had several addressed if you read carefully. Tune up , valve work , straightened the under ride bars ( or replaced).  Sour grapes? Not Craig. I would bet he has owned close to 100 Shelbys by now including a '65 R Model.
     The information regarding the front attaching point for the leaf springs is very important and the average inspector" probably wouldn't look at that area. In my case I have drag raced 6S477 for 45 years and can tell you right where to look for "stress points" and signs of abuse. Mine certainly has them. In the case of 1124 I would call it "abuse" as there are ( to me) not enough signs of drag racing serious enough to cause those issues.
    1124 none the less remains a nice car , FAR better than many with large amounts of panel replacement. A little more work would improve it more.
   Randy
I was wondering if mcpaxtonman was Craig. Thanks Randy. Gary
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: pmustang on July 29, 2019, 01:09:58 AM
I've had more than a few with the holes for greasing up the area. Many are done with god knows what, Looks like a big rat chewed the hole. I have been able to clean up some with a dremel and use a seat nut access plug or similar to cover it up nicely. Have a few in new that are done perfectly with a hole saw of some sort.

Peter
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: papa scoops on July 29, 2019, 12:43:39 PM
ford did have a service kit for greasing these. it,s what I've always used. no holes. phred
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: gt350hr on July 29, 2019, 03:46:34 PM
     Mine are still plugged. Guess I don't rack up many miles 1/4 mile at a time LOL. 53 years and still under 87,000 original.
       Randy
Title: Re: Unrestored but nice '66 on BaT
Post by: Bigfoot on July 29, 2019, 08:22:27 PM
Looked like a nice piece. Decent price point