https://www.powernationtv.com/post/sacramento-county-is-saying-its-illegal-to-work-on-your-car-in-your-own-garage
California........
But isn't it still legal to buy brake clean, WD-40, and aerosol spray paint?
Are they going to regulate lawn care services? They do pour gasoline in their lawn mowers without a vapor recovery system.
Strange
Quote from: Krelboyne on August 19, 2019, 03:01:54 PM
California........
Are they going to regulate lawn care services? They do pour gasoline in their lawn mowers without a vapor recovery system.
Wurd
Boy for the high ups not wanting post to go political, this one is going to go there.
We all know that L^B&^%Ism is a mental disorder and Cali and NY lead the way! They are in competition for the Dumber and Dumber remake! That is why so many are fleeing my state of NY, unfortunate for NY the people that are leaving are the ones that work and pay taxes, soon the money will run out. As for Cali, it is opposite, the cancer is moving to Texas and they will change that state, instead of Dumber and Dumber, it will be a competition of 3 states, or The three Stooges.
When are they going to out law running a 1970 and older car? Heck anything older than 2015. The mental disorder is alive and well in NY and Cali!
Call me crazy, a lot of people do, but the day will come in California when you will no longer be able to go to the store and buy automotive lubricants, oil, grease, cleaning products. In order to get your oil changed you will have to take your car to a state run garage where it will be done to insure proper disposal of the waste oil. I wouldn't put it past the lunatics here to deem motor oil a hazardous substance that has to be controlled by the state.
Kalifornia has just refused to renew the registrations on diesel powered medium duty, F450, Chevy 4500 pickups and heavy duty trucks built before 1992. The truck either has to be retrofit with emissions equipment that won't even fit on it, in some cases, or removed from the state.
Can't wait to leave kali forks.
Kale-Fornyah
Do some research on California Proposition 65, it contains a lengthy list of products and chemicals deemed to be hazardous or likely cancer causing. One of the "authoritative bodies" is the World Health Organization and the EPA that has compiled the lengthy list of "potentially" dangerous chemicals.
So the idea of having home auto repairs banned is not that far fetched just based on the direction California is headed.
There are a number of products that I use that are know to cause cancer in CA. I'm in NY, so no problem but thanks for the warning. ;)
I'm glad I'm not in Ca. I would think a lift, rotisserie, trans jack, brake lathe, tire machine and balancer aren't considered normal tools for a home garage!
It is very concerning as the CA way of thinking is spreading in a lot of metro places that carry political weight. There will be a point at which our cars are museum pieces not to be driven as fuel for them will no longer exist (probably not in the next 30 years but it will happen). The powers that be will also figure out a way to tax old vehicels to the point you can't afford to register them.
Like many of you, I am respectful of the environment, and like many of you, we use to pour used motor oil on the gravel driveway to keep the dust down (didn't know any better). Do I believe polution has had an effect on the environment, sure I do, but it is not this country. I have been around the world and the USA is by far the cleanest of any country. In Mexico your eyes burn the minute you step off the plane, China is so poluted you can almost see it on your skin, India is infested with rats and sewage... and the list continues.
I say all this to say this, drive your cars and enjoy them, you never know what the next curve will bring!
Im waiting for the big earthquake. they will just become one with the ocean. Don't Californicate Washington! phred
+ 1 gospel
Quote from: Greg on August 19, 2019, 04:13:24 PM
It is very concerning as the CA way of thinking is spreading in a lot of metro places that carry political weight. There will be a point at which our cars are museum pieces not to be driven as fuel for them will no longer exist (probably not in the next 30 years but it will happen). The powers that be will also figure out a way to tax old vehicels to the point you can't afford to register them.
Like many of you, I am respectful of the environment, and like many of you, we use to pour used motor oil on the gravel driveway to keep the dust down (didn't know any better). Do I believe polution has had an effect on the environment, sure I do, but it is not this country. I have been around the world and the USA is by far the cleanest of any country. In Mexico your eyes burn the minute you step off the plane, China is so poluted you can almost see it on your skin, India is infested with rats and sewage... and the list continues.
I say all this to say this, drive your cars and enjoy them, you never know what the next curve will bring!
They need to pass a "no refueling vehicles in residential zones" regulation in CA for safety reasons and make it include all electric plug in vehicles. Besides electric vehicles should be banned as are unsafe as kids playing in the streets cannot hear them coming. Just using CA logic. ::)
I'm not going to step into the politics of this since I won't be able to change the mind of anyone who agrees OR disagrees with me (yes that seems to be where we are today). But what's really sad is the lack of opposition to these types of policies from the overwhelming majority of people who don't have the inclination or ability to do even minor repairs to their car. The days of the shadetree mechanic are coming to a close. I believe that it's a result of less interest in hands-on mechanics combined with newer cars utilizing technology that discourages or flat out prohibits people from tinkering. Sad!
So hard to believe it would happen in a state with so much history/legacy of car culture .
Quote from: Bigfoot on August 19, 2019, 06:16:11 PM
So hard to believe it would happen in a state with so much history/legacy of car culture .
That is what is so crazy about this whole thing. CA was the Mecca of Hot Rod culture until the Tech boom happened and it became cooler to sip a latte, carry a man purse, wear a man bun and claim you are green. If you don't support a national organization that has lobbying clout, please do so as that is the only way to be heard IMO.
Like I said California and New York are in competition to see who can be Dumb and Dumber. This is why we are leaving New York. We know New York is not far behind as we are locked into one party control. Any car person that thinks California and New York are doing the right things, well is just a complete BLANK BLANK!
PERIOD
Quote from: Greg on August 19, 2019, 06:57:13 PM
Quote from: Bigfoot on August 19, 2019, 06:16:11 PM
So hard to believe it would happen in a state with so much history/legacy of car culture .
That is what is so crazy about this whole thing. CA was the Mecca of Hot Rod culture until the Tech boom happened and it became cooler to sip a latte, carry a man purse, wear a man bun and claim you are green. If you don't support a national organization that has lobbying clout, please do so as that is the only way to be heard IMO.
Yes but remember this, illegals do not give a crap about your old car, in fact they think they are entitled to it. Politicians in blue states don't care either, what they care about is votes. This should be a warning to all blue/purple states, yes including North Carolina and Texas, you better be care who YOU put in office, the cancer is moving to a state near you.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on August 19, 2019, 09:11:23 PM
Quote from: Greg on August 19, 2019, 06:57:13 PM
Quote from: Bigfoot on August 19, 2019, 06:16:11 PM
So hard to believe it would happen in a state with so much history/legacy of car culture .
That is what is so crazy about this whole thing. CA was the Mecca of Hot Rod culture until the Tech boom happened and it became cooler to sip a latte, carry a man purse, wear a man bun and claim you are green. If you don't support a national organization that has lobbying clout, please do so as that is the only way to be heard IMO.
Yes but remember this, illegals do not give a crap about your old car, in fact they think they are entitled to it. Politicians in blue states don't care either, what they care about is votes. This should be a warning to all blue/purple states, yes including North Carolina and Texas, you better be care who YOU put in office, the cancer is moving to a state near you.
^^
This has nothing to do with "illegals."
Let's stay on topic.
Quote from: Bigfoot on August 19, 2019, 09:55:55 PM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on August 19, 2019, 09:11:23 PM
Quote from: Greg on August 19, 2019, 06:57:13 PM
Quote from: Bigfoot on August 19, 2019, 06:16:11 PM
So hard to believe it would happen in a state with so much history/legacy of car culture .
That is what is so crazy about this whole thing. CA was the Mecca of Hot Rod culture until the Tech boom happened and it became cooler to sip a latte, carry a man purse, wear a man bun and claim you are green. If you don't support a national organization that has lobbying clout, please do so as that is the only way to be heard IMO.
Yes but remember this, illegals do not give a crap about your old car, in fact they think they are entitled to it. Politicians in blue states don't care either, what they care about is votes. This should be a warning to all blue/purple states, yes including North Carolina and Texas, you better be care who YOU put in office, the cancer is moving to a state near you.
^^
This has nothing to do with "illegals."
Let's stay on topic.
good luck with that! LOL
Talk about the "News" item..and leave the politics out of the discussion.
Hard .. in this case I know.... but play by the rules
Thanks
Quote from: papa scoops on August 19, 2019, 05:31:51 PM
Don't Californicate Washington! phred
Huh?
Too late Phred, it happened long ago.
I like California.....l
California hasn't cornered the market on dumb ideas.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1124510_minneapolis-banned-drive-thrus
Hmmmm Minnesota.
It saddens me to think we cannot express our opinions backed up by good examples as to why one state is trying to make it illegal to work on your own car. (Don't worry, keeping quiet, will just make it happen everywhere soon enough). As the old IBM slogan goes, "THINK"
Today it's the garage, tomorrow it'll be the kitchen, then the bedroom. "Big Brother" is watching you!
Seems as though California wants to be the non-internal combustion (electric transportation module - eventually driverless) state and working to that end from both directions. The trickle down isn't working quickly enough for some.
Quote from: 557 on August 20, 2019, 01:28:42 AM
I like California.....l
You are the first person I have heard say that in earnest (unless you are kidding), outside of the weather, why do you like it?
New York climate plan sets 30-year goal for 100% renewable energy. ... It calls for all the state's electricity to come from renewable, carbon-free sources such as solar, wind and hydropower. Transportation and building heating systems would also run on clean electricity rather than oil and gas.
"If you like your car, you can keep it." You just cannot drive it!
Quote from: Greg on August 20, 2019, 10:11:25 AM
Quote from: 557 on August 20, 2019, 01:28:42 AM
I like California.....l
You are the first person I have heard say that in earnest (unless you are kidding), outside of the weather, why do you like it?
I would like to live there if wasn't for the government and overpopulation.
Quote from: Greg on August 20, 2019, 10:11:25 AM
Quote from: 557 on August 20, 2019, 01:28:42 AM
I like California.....l
You are the first person I have heard say that in earnest (unless you are kidding), outside of the weather, why do you like it?
. It is beautiful on many levels...PLUS they built some really cool cars here IMHO.. ;D
Quote from: 2112 on August 20, 2019, 10:53:20 AM
Quote from: Greg on August 20, 2019, 10:11:25 AM
Quote from: 557 on August 20, 2019, 01:28:42 AM
I like California.....l
You are the first person I have heard say that in earnest (unless you are kidding), outside of the weather, why do you like it?
I would like to live there if wasn't for the government and overpopulation.
"nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded!" - Yogi Berra ;)
Well, there is a lot of wide open space out there in Greenland.......
Quote from: 67 GT350 on August 20, 2019, 10:43:04 AM
New York climate plan sets 30-year goal for 100% renewable energy. ... It calls for all the state's electricity to come from renewable, carbon-free sources such as solar, wind and hydropower. Transportation and building heating systems would also run on clean electricity rather than oil and gas.
"If you like your car, you can keep it." You just cannot drive it!
Hawaii has the same mandate for renewable energy except the it is set for completion by 2045. Inspite of athe hype and special favors or electrics, there are less than 2 percent registered here in use. Since the power utility rates are twivce the national average, it will be interesting to see if the goal is met. We are at about 30 percent renewable use now (wind, solar, garbage burned for energy, bio-fuels,etc.). No more coal allowed after 2020, which supplies abot 12 percent now.
Quote from: roddster on August 20, 2019, 03:03:40 PM
Well, there is a lot of wide open space out there in Greenland.......
How are the golf courses? Is there a long wait for a tee off time?
If you drive away from the coast CA is not crowded at all.
I like it there but it's tough to hit my favorite spots without Kiwi.
I like the California race tracks. 8)
Fortunately, the rules mentioned in the article apply only to Sacramento County. Not ALL California. Where I live, there are related rules also. You can do minor work like oil changes in your driveway. Major jobs like engine removal, have to be done inside an enclosed garage. For the Haters out there, I'm sure if you check your City or County rules, you'll find similar laws in place. Not all municipalities will enforce the laws equally, but the laws are there. Show me a place that doesn't have similar laws, and I'll show you a place that doesn't care about property values.
You are right also in europe we have those laws since many years but nobody knows, its also not allowed to wash your car in your driveway because you wash down the smog, dust etc. with chemicals and it will go into the water/ ground water and maybe our kids will come in touch with that earlier or later. It also can go into fruits etc. you have some feets away in your garden.
For me I can understand those rules and I know what to do. Because I know the affect of chemicals, smog, industrial dust etc. pretty good. I have my own shop and we take very well care of chemicals and oil, batterys, etc. I always work with gloves, often with a mouth/nose protection when using chemicals etc. If somebody love his life he will take care of himself and the rest and yes also of the nature. And I think what we do is a nice way of recycling because we use old cars with old parts and rebuild everything. Think about it how much trash a modern repair shop is doing every day and then take a look to some restorers.
Quote from: Scode67FB on August 21, 2019, 03:37:28 AM
Fortunately, the rules mentioned in the article apply only to Sacramento County. Not ALL California. Where I live, there are related rules also. You can do minor work like oil changes in your driveway. Major jobs like engine removal, have to be done inside an enclosed garage. For the Haters out there, I'm sure if you check your City or County rules, you'll find similar laws in place. Not all municipalities will enforce the laws equally, but the laws are there. Show me a place that doesn't have similar laws, and I'll show you a place that doesn't care about property values.
And cali cares about property values! Just look at the streets of LA and San Fran! Look at Philly, look at Baltimore, they really care about their property values! LOL
Just to add, I think a little common sense would help, it should be OK to do what you want to do with your own car in your own driveway, however, leaving a mess, not cleaning up daily after working on a car and polluting, (dumping solvents in your driveway) is not good. Maybe people in those cities just don't have the sense to keep it clean.
I wonder how far this guy would have got working on his car in the USA? One of my favorite utub's
https://youtu.be/GOXQW_xWLrs
And cali cares about property values! Just look at the streets of LA and San Fran! Look at Philly, look at Baltimore, they really care about their property values! LOL
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With little effort you'd be able to that the same thing can be said about most any city anywhere. From New York to Texas to Washington state to Montana to Florida and California. Every state, every county and city has nice areas and areas you wouldn't want to be caught dead in. No place is perfect, or even close.
Where we are in NY there is no poop app. LOL
Once we sign onto/join the Paris Accords it will not be just Calif or the urban centers since the rules will be made outside of our country and each of our ability to influence. It's coming.... just how long is the question
Quote from: J_Speegle on August 24, 2019, 06:23:14 PM
Once we sign onto/join the Paris Accords it will not be just Calif or the urban centers since the rules will be made outside of our country and each of our ability to influence. It's coming.... just how long is the question
This is where we are going;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
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Once we sign onto/join the Paris Accords it will not be just Calif or the urban centers since the rules will be made outside of our country and each of our ability to influence. It's coming.... just how long is the question
Sad, but I'm afraid you are correct. >:(
TOB
Quote from: TOBKOB on August 24, 2019, 09:18:06 PM
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Once we sign onto/join the Paris Accords it will not be just Calif or the urban centers since the rules will be made outside of our country and each of our ability to influence. It's coming.... just how long is the question
Sad, but I'm afraid you are correct. >:(
TOB
Agreed