Looking at a 2 owner 68 KR, issues are the original owner converted the CJ carb and intake to a PI dual qual set up. New to the forum so excuse maybe the obvious questions, but what would one expect to return to original cast intake and carb..breather, smog setup expense, to do it right..of course...any input is much appreciated.
cutter
Ball park $9-10K if a M/T car, maybe $7.5-8.5K for an A/T car using a mix of original and repo parts. Figuring the following parts; Carb, intake, PCV system, smog system, air cleaner, snorkel, s-tube & heat shield. Labor not included.
You could probably get 2-3K for the PI dual quad, carbs, and air cleaner, maybe more if OEM
Quote from: OldMil on February 18, 2018, 12:07:33 PM
You could probably get 2-3K for the PI dual quad, carbs, and air cleaner, maybe more if OEM
There is no such thing as a PI dual quad but assume you are talking about a factory Ford intake . C7ZX marked is the more valuable version but there are others. Same goes for carbs . Factory vs after market.Best of luck with decision.
Well. Then someone correct me then. I was under the ideal that the dual quad was a PI option ??
If not this has all the OEM parts and correct carb number. It's also my understanding the original KR Carb for a 4 speed is crazy expensive for one ??
it wasnt an option . it was available over the counter by Ford. Did they cut up the hoods ram air chamber to get the air cleaner to fit?
Sounds like negotiating room to me... ;D
That's good info on the hood, and thanks on the dual quad info...but yes all correct parts for intake and carbs,,,don't know what a fair price for the quad setup would be in purchasing the correct ones.
I went thru the exact same process a couple of years ago. I'm no expert so I welcome corrections if corrections are due. First I'll say "KR500" is pretty close on costs of new stuff. As for the value of the existing dual quad set-up, value depends on exactly what you have. If the intake and carbs are correct for 67 GT500 I think the value will be greater than over-the-counter parts or parts off a non-Shelby application. Best situation is to have the correct C7AZ intake and matching pair of C3AF-9510-BK/BJ carbs. Many times the carbs will look correct but you find 9510-U carbs which are service replacements. I thought I had a correct setup but later found the air cleaner was a repro while carbs and intake were good.
As for 68 KR parts:
Carb will be $1000 up for a rebuildable core. Restored $1500 and up, but varies with your configuration (4spd vs auto)
Intake will be $400 and up. If you want to be date-code correct you'll need to allow some time to find the right one and be willing to pay when you find it.
Air filter, snorkel, s-tube and heat shield, $4000 for original, $2500 for repop.
Allow $300-400 for misc. specific parts for PVC setup, vacuum fittings, etc.
I don't know costs on thermactor set-up since I haven't replaced mine. Depending on your current setup you may need to replace some pulleys. There also might be some work where the thermactor tubes connect to the exhaust manifolds.
As Bob said, the plenum had to be modified for the 2x4 air cleaner to fit under the hood so include $200-$250 for reproduction plenum.
After all the above, throw in $1000 for shipping, belts, hoses, paint, cleaners, etc.
None of this includes labor or other incorrect parts you find along the way.
If you purchase the car don't think you will be shunned here for having none correct parts on your car. If you get it for the right price, drive and enjoy. Our KR successfully ran like a scalded dog 40 years set-up like yours. I only decided to put it back to a single carb when the 2x4's need rebuilding/restoring.
Ted
Thank you Ted very much...exactly what I was thinking but I thought the correct card is the CF8 which they are asking 2100 plus for...it is a 4 speed A/C car.
Carb will be more like $2500 minimum....
Beware of fake carbs for this application...
Look if VIN present on block or heads.
Derivative of VIN
Thanks on the carb, I was thinking more around 2K for correct carb also.....it and the breather set as the most expensive parts...but the car price seems reasonable for a factory a/c 4 speed coupe, I have a registry and the numbers check out to what the story is on the car...
The price I quoted on the KR carb was about what I paid a couple of years ago for a good rebuildable one. But it was from a friendly member of this forum, your results may vary. The carb part numbers in my previous post were what is correct for the 67 GT500 carbs you may have.
To quote the Coralsnake web page for KR carbs:
"The C80F-9510-AA was used on 4spd cars. The C80F-9510-AB was used on automatics.".
If you haven't already check out the Coralsnake info on intakes and carbs take a look. http://www.thecoralsnake.com/intakes.HTML
Yes, I have spoke with Pete, very helpful
Its all good. Hope the deal works out for you. Would love to see some pictures if it does. Good luck.
Thanks to all for the input.much appreciated, now if we can agree on a price..lol..very close but either side won't budge....
OK, this will probably get me in trouble....lol...but like I said I'm green and learning...this particular car, is what I would call a strong 3 besides the wrong parts it has very few issues....paint is old but body is straight, a few small repairs over the years,,,4 speed A/C car...I guess what I'm really asking is how much does it hurt it not having the correct CJ setup??? let me get my flame suit on......go...
If you are having fun driving, and not competing in Concours level competition, what would it hurt at all?
Maybe it is just an opportunity to get in at a better price.
I thought for sure I would have seen it posted by now so I will go on and do so. There is One Vendor in Jacksonville you need to stay away from Mustang Masters AKA: Fast Freddy. I have told many Mustang Friends to stay away from him and they all said "But he has the part I need". I told them that he doesn't but they didn't listen to me and had to find out the hard way that I was right.
Quote from: 2112 on February 19, 2018, 01:06:31 PM
If you are having fun driving, and not competing in Concours level competition, what would it hurt at all?
Maybe it is just an opportunity to get in at a better price.
^^^ +1, Not everyone is into having a Concours-level car. What do
you want to do with it?
Good luck!
not interested in a concours level car, but a car with correct parts, other words everyone knows a KR never came with dual quad so would like to be a accurate to period correct as possible....thanks
Quote from: cutter on February 19, 2018, 02:06:59 PM
not interested in a concours level car, but a car with correct parts, other words everyone knows a KR never came with dual quad so would like to be a accurate to period correct as possible....thanks
You can get in low and, over time, make correct as you can afford. Or, if you can afford it now, you can buy the best most correct car on the market.
Your choice.
Agreed, just trying to figure out what is fair market value for car needing the changes I mentioned...
It would be tough to put a number on it without an expert doing a full evaluation on the car.
I agree, I guess I was just looking for a ballpark, but at the end of the day its what its worth to you the buyer anyways....
Here is a rough guide;
https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1968-Shelby-GT500_KR
yeah, I've looked at all the valuation tools, all the past sales from mecum and so forth, and those are all over the place..75K and up...
Quote from: cutter on February 19, 2018, 08:04:23 PM
yeah, I've looked at all the valuation tools, all the past sales from mecum and so forth, and those are all over the place..75K and up...
Sounds right