Sitting today as a Cook County arbitrator. I get to hear auto accident cases, contract cases and so on. I do this about five times a year as do many attorneys in Chicagoland. We sit in panels of three attorneys. I never know who I will be sitting with. Well today I am sitting next to a guy who appears in his 70s. I naturally broached the subject of the new Ford versus Ferrari movie and mentioned the name Carroll Shelby. He had no idea who Shelby was or the Cobra. Whaaaaaa? I sort of took offense to that. It disturbed me and still is as I wait for my 10:30 case to be called. The greatest automotive legend of our time not known by this attorney? What, yah live under a rock? That told me just now how unique and special we are as automotive enthusiasts, gearheads and the like. Maybe it's always been that way. We are an elite in a very manly area of interest.
Best,
Richard E.
I'll keep y'all posted if he says anything stranger than that last bit. Doesn't know Shelby. Huh.
I talk to people all the time in my line of work that are around my age, 50+, that haven't a clue who CS was. They know the name Shelby as they only see Shelby cars of today.
But when you ask them who Shelby is/was, what his first name is, they're clueless.
I think it takes people that come from a Family of mechanical background (as my Dad was a self employed Mechanic back in early 70's- early 21 century) or a racing background (as my Dad was also a local racer as I was a racer in the Winston Racing Series in my youth-30's). Or just a car guy with friends in HS that shared the same passion. JMO 8)
probably a lawrence welk or liberace type of guy...
Well that was my impression. He knows the law but doesn't know cars. Better to be more than a one trick pony in this life.
probably also a taliban infidel...
Quote from: deathsled on September 16, 2019, 11:13:27 AM
Sitting today as a Cook County arbitrator. I get to hear auto accident cases, contract cases and so on. I do this about five times a year as do many attorneys in Chicagoland. We sit in panels of three attorneys. I never know who I will be sitting with. Well today I am sitting next to a guy who appears in his 70s. I naturally broached the subject of the new Ford versus Ferrari movie and mentioned the name Carroll Shelby. He had no idea who Shelby was or the Cobra. Whaaaaaa? I sort of took offense to that. It disturbed me and still is as I wait for my 10:30 case to be called. The greatest automotive legend of our time not known by this attorney? What, yah live under a rock? That told me just now how unique and special we are as automotive enthusiasts, gearheads and the like. Maybe it's always been that way. We are an elite in a very manly area of interest.
Best,
Richard E.
I'll keep y'all posted if he says anything stranger than that last bit. Doesn't know Shelby. Huh.
There ARE people who never heard of Mickey Mantle, Roy Rogers. Winston Churchill, lazonia, etc. You guys are Attorneys and I'm sure that you could start naming Supreme Court justices that I've never heard of that were instrumental in changing our society?
There was a guy that came up to me at a car show where I had my 68 GT350. He wanted to show his GF the car in detail and wanted to know if it was ok. I said sure.
In listening to the conversation, she said "so, it's a Camaro?" He came back later and appologized without her. I said. "it's ok. I'm not insulted. Just don't marry her."
Then there was this older Jewish guy that I knew that worked in the furniture upholstery business all his life in NYC. He was going to write a book and blow up all of the secrets in the industry? A block buster for sure.
I think that this new film will bring some light to the situation? Gone in 60 seconds sure did. A lot of people still think of a car as just an appliance like a washing machine. Many have never heard of Henry Ford. Shocking, I know. Who teaches the kids? ;D
lazonia? Never heard of him. Or it. Or them. Wasn't that the recommended oil for Model T's? Damn it Doug how do you know so much? NYC public schools?
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 16, 2019, 01:34:49 PM
Quote from: deathsled on September 16, 2019, 11:13:27 AM
Sitting today as a Cook County arbitrator. I get to hear auto accident cases, contract cases and so on. I do this about five times a year as do many attorneys in Chicagoland. We sit in panels of three attorneys. I never know who I will be sitting with. Well today I am sitting next to a guy who appears in his 70s. I naturally broached the subject of the new Ford versus Ferrari movie and mentioned the name Carroll Shelby. He had no idea who Shelby was or the Cobra. Whaaaaaa? I sort of took offense to that. It disturbed me and still is as I wait for my 10:30 case to be called. The greatest automotive legend of our time not known by this attorney? What, yah live under a rock? That told me just now how unique and special we are as automotive enthusiasts, gearheads and the like. Maybe it's always been that way. We are an elite in a very manly area of interest.
Best,
Richard E.
I'll keep y'all posted if he says anything stranger than that last bit. Doesn't know Shelby. Huh.
There ARE people who never heard of Mickey Mantle, Roy Rogers. Winston Churchill, lazonia, etc. You guys are Attorneys and I'm sure that you could start naming Supreme Court justices that I've never heard of that were instrumental in changing our society?
There was a guy that came up to me at a car show where I had my 68 GT350. He wanted to show his GF the car in detail and wanted to know if it was ok. I said sure.
In listening to the conversation, she said "so, it's a Camaro?" He came back later and appologized without her. I said. "it's ok. I'm not insulted. Just don't marry her."
Then there was this older Jewish guy that I knew that worked in the furniture upholstery business all his life in NYC. He was going to write a book and blow up all of the secrets in the industry? A block buster for sure.
I think that this new film will bring some light to the situation? Gone in 60 seconds sure did. A lot of people still think of a car as just an appliance like a washing machine. Many have never heard of Henry Ford. Shocking, I know. Who teaches the kids? ;D
I think I overreacted. But still. Not everybody shares the same interests. And no, I'd be hard pressed to name all the Supremes. Not so interesting for me.
Lol to "don't marry her!"
It always stuns me how few millenials know those bands called the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. Makes me want to slam my walker against the wall. Kids! 8)
Over the years I have had a few Shelby's in my auto repair shop and a fair amount of My customers don't have a clue what a Shelby is. "What's a Shelby?" I just tell them it's a Mustang and then they understand ( some what) and are happy.
Dunning Kruger effect. We assume because we have superior knowledge that everyone else does. Conversely those who do not have superior knowledge think in fact they have superior knowledge over everybody else. I always assume somebody knows something that I do not. I listen and evaluate. If I have doubts I research several sources to confirm before I act. It kills spontaneity but gives certainty as the trade-off.
My other major focus is restored vintage ambulances. Just as with SAAC the Professional Car Society is the reference group for these vehicles. I have six, all totally stock and period correct in their contents. When on display the number of individuals who comment "hey, ghostbusters " is limitless. This really pushes some pcs members button, but we need to be reminded, we all have different interests, and use that encounter to educate them. The majority are very interested.
easy peasy, diana ross, florence ballard and mary wilson
the supremes
Quote from: deathsled on September 16, 2019, 03:11:15 PM
I think I overreacted. But still. Not everybody shares the same interests. And no, I'd be hard pressed to name all the Supremes. Not so interesting for me.
Lol to "don't marry her!"
Quote from: deathsled on September 16, 2019, 04:34:05 PM
Dunning Kruger effect. We assume because we have superior knowledge that everyone else does. Conversely those who do not have superior knowledge think in fact they have superior knowledge over everybody else. I always assume somebody knows something that I do not. I listen and evaluate. If I have doubts I research several sources to confirm before I act. It kills spontaneity but gives certainty as the trade-off.
+1
You hit the nail on the head Richard.
Dunning Kruger get my vote.
As additional commentary to this lawyer, I contend that he was in his heyday during the 1960s. The 1960s was a period of time when auto racing, street racing and muscle cars/ sports cars of all kinds patrolled the streets. You weren't anyone as a guy unless you had some modicum of interest in said subject matter (or at least was aware of it). I further add that the number one hit, Hey Little Cobra was number one for a week, so unless this guy was exclusively into Baroque music, how could he not know about that song. I play classical and romantic era music on the piano but you can be damned sure I know who Led Zeppelin is, Pantera, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Guns n Roses, Metallica, Soundgarden, Audioslave and so on. Was there not a minimal amount of inquiry merited to ask, "Hey, what's this hey little Cobra song all about?" Apparently not. I'm just a dumb Canadian having grown up in Canada, somewhat insular from U.S. culture and even I knew what a Cobra was when I started high school in 1977! And one more thing, anyone that ever tells me "Oh that was way before my time." My response is "So were dinosaurs. Are you going to tell me you don't know what a dinosaur is?" That is usually met with silence. Whatever the Supreme Court did and who they are and were is not part of the national conscious. Shelby brought a hell of a lot more joy to people's lives (Enzo Ferrari excepted of course) than the members of the Supreme Court. All they bring is pain and more restrictions and curtailments on what we can and cannot do. Lawyers and judges kinda suck in a way. Carroll Shelby should be better known in my opinion. Living back in the 60s in your heyday as a youth and not knowing such things is like swimming in the ocean and being totally unaware of sharks. That's my two cents for what it's worth which, in this case, is apparently two cents.
Richard E.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on September 16, 2019, 05:37:26 PM
easy peasy, diana ross, florence ballard and mary wilson
the supremes
Funny!!! Good one, Tony!
Quote from: deathsled on September 16, 2019, 03:11:15 PM
I think I overreacted. But still. Not everybody shares the same interests. And no, I'd be hard pressed to name all the Supremes. Not so interesting for me.
Lol to "don't marry her!"
Quote from: deathsled on September 16, 2019, 04:34:05 PM
Dunning Kruger effect. We assume because we have superior knowledge that everyone else does. Conversely those who do not have superior knowledge think in fact they have superior knowledge over everybody else. I always assume somebody knows something that I do not. I listen and evaluate. If I have doubts I research several sources to confirm before I act. It kills spontaneity but gives certainty as the trade-off.
Pretty sure that is the first time that I've seen that phrase... but I guess one can see it almost everywhere. Very interesting, thanks.
I agree that there are a LOT of folks ("most"?) who have no interest - and thus no knowledge - of cars or the history of the automobile. Yes -" Appliances".
Years ago I was at a Material Handling Trade Show, having dinner with a group of maybe a dozen guys. They were talking about Golf, I was sitting and listening just like the proverbial bump-on-a-log (golf is not my thing). One of the guys asked what my hobby was, I told him "car stuff". He shrugged and they went right back to golf.
It's surprising [to me] the sheer number of people who will sort of minimize our hobby (and the associated businesses) as something off-beat. I've shown pictures of the mob scene at Hershey and talked about crowds at other events, usually that is a big surprise to the uninformed.
Seems like "National Collector Car Appreciation Day" and the new(-ish) USA National Historic Vehicle Register are good steps... possibly taken by SEMA and the HVA to help people "see" the size and value [historically and $$ economically] of auto enthusiasm(?)
Quote from: kjspeed on September 16, 2019, 02:38:20 PM
lazonia? Never heard of him. Or it. Or them. Wasn't that the recommended oil for Model T's? Damn it Doug how do you know so much? NYC public schools?
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 16, 2019, 01:34:49 PM
Quote from: deathsled on September 16, 2019, 11:13:27 AM
Sitting today as a Cook County arbitrator. I get to hear auto accident cases, contract cases and so on. I do this about five times a year as do many attorneys in Chicagoland. We sit in panels of three attorneys. I never know who I will be sitting with. Well today I am sitting next to a guy who appears in his 70s. I naturally broached the subject of the new Ford versus Ferrari movie and mentioned the name Carroll Shelby. He had no idea who Shelby was or the Cobra. Whaaaaaa? I sort of took offense to that. It disturbed me and still is as I wait for my 10:30 case to be called. The greatest automotive legend of our time not known by this attorney? What, yah live under a rock? That told me just now how unique and special we are as automotive enthusiasts, gearheads and the like. Maybe it's always been that way. We are an elite in a very manly area of interest.
Best,
Richard E.
I'll keep y'all posted if he says anything stranger than that last bit. Doesn't know Shelby. Huh.
There ARE people who never heard of Mickey Mantle, Roy Rogers. Winston Churchill, lazonia, etc. You guys are Attorneys and I'm sure that you could start naming Supreme Court justices that I've never heard of that were instrumental in changing our society?
There was a guy that came up to me at a car show where I had my 68 GT350. He wanted to show his GF the car in detail and wanted to know if it was ok. I said sure.
In listening to the conversation, she said "so, it's a Camaro?" He came back later and appologized without her. I said. "it's ok. I'm not insulted. Just don't marry her."
Then there was this older Jewish guy that I knew that worked in the furniture upholstery business all his life in NYC. He was going to write a book and blow up all of the secrets in the industry? A block buster for sure.
I think that this new film will bring some light to the situation? Gone in 60 seconds sure did. A lot of people still think of a car as just an appliance like a washing machine. Many have never heard of Henry Ford. Shocking, I know. Who teaches the kids? ;D
Lazonia: Middle linebacker NY Giants. #57
NYC Public Schools: No. Too dangerous. In a good school system 85% graduate and 15% get arrested. In a bad system 85% get arrested.
Yet, my 20 year HS reunion didn't work out so well. When you get sentenced for murder, you aren't eligible for parole until you serve 25 years. Low attendance. Surprised at the girls though? Maybe not?
Smart: I stayed at a Holiday Inn once a long time ago.
Quote from: deathsled on September 16, 2019, 06:14:11 PM
As additional commentary to this lawyer, I contend that he was in his heyday during the 1960s. The 1960s was a period of time when auto racing, street racing and muscle cars/ sports cars of all kinds patrolled the streets. You weren't anyone as a guy unless you had some modicum of interest in said subject matter (or at least was aware of it). I further add that the number one hit, Hey Little Cobra was number one for a week, so unless this guy was exclusively into Baroque music, how could he not know about that song. I play classical and romantic era music on the piano but you can be damned sure I know who Led Zeppelin is, Pantera, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Guns n Roses, Metallica, Soundgarden, Audioslave and so on. Was there not a minimal amount of inquiry merited to ask, "Hey, what's this hey little Cobra song all about?" Apparently not. I'm just a dumb Canadian having grown up in Canada, somewhat insular from U.S. culture and even I knew what a Cobra was when I started high school in 1977! And one more thing, anyone that ever tells me "Oh that was way before my time." My response is "So were dinosaurs. Are you going to tell me you don't know what a dinosaur is?" That is usually met with silence. Whatever the Supreme Court did and who they are and were is not part of the national conscious. Shelby brought a hell of a lot more joy to people's lives (Enzo Ferrari excepted of course) than the members of the Supreme Court. All they bring is pain and more restrictions and curtailments on what we can and cannot do. Lawyers and judges kinda suck in a way. Carroll Shelby should be better known in my opinion. Living back in the 60s in your heyday as a youth and not knowing such things is like swimming in the ocean and being totally unaware of sharks. That's my two cents for what it's worth which, in this case, is apparently two cents.
Richard E.
Richard,
You have summed it up very well. I bet if you followed that lawyer out into the parking lot, he'd be driving a Prius or some other lame azz "save the planet" appliance.
Quote from: deathsled on September 16, 2019, 06:14:11 PM
That's my two cents for what it's worth which, in this case, is apparently two cents.
Richard E.
US or Canadian? OK. So who's this Beytovan guy?
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 16, 2019, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: deathsled on September 16, 2019, 06:14:11 PM
That's my two cents for what it's worth which, in this case, is apparently two cents.
Richard E.
US or Canadian? OK. So who's this Beytovan guy?
Not Canadian.
Government stopped making pennies Feb 4 2013.
Cost more to made that they are worth. ???
True story:
When I worked for CS, as PR Manager, at the Shelby Autos facility in 1987-89, I got to know Leno a little bit. He hung around a couple of times, met Shelby, talked cars, etc.
So, one day, Carroll instructs me: "Get me booked on the Carson show when Leno is hosting."
OK, I'll give it a shot.
I call Jay and ask. He thinks it would be fun, but warned that he didn't have a lot of pull as to who the guests were, as it was still Johnny's show, and Johnny would definitely be watching the broadcast, or reviewing the tapes, to see how Jay did.
But, Jay did give me the number of his agent/manager, Helen Kushnick, who apparently did have the pull to book guests. (She later became the show's Executive Producer, when Johnny retired and Jay got the full-time gig.)
She was regarded by many in the business as tough to deal with, and I knew I'd only have about 30 seconds of her attention to make the pitch---and it'd better be a good one.
I wrote out a bunch of suggested talking points for Jay and Carroll, and read them off when I finally got her on the phone. I emphasized to her that Carroll is an icon and hero to an entire generation or two of Americans, as well as a household name to millions of men (and Tonight Show viewers.)
When I got done with my pitch, there was silence on the other end of the receiver.
Finally..."Never heard of her." CLICK.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-09-23-ca-1114-story.html
So she got fired. Good. Karma is a bitch and apparently so was she.
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 16, 2019, 01:34:49 PM
In listening to the conversation, she said "so, it's a Camaro?" He came back later and appologized without her. I said. "it's ok. I'm not insulted. Just don't marry her."
Thanks for the laugh this morning!
This isn't a new phenomenon, after all, when the early Europeans explorers first inquired of the the then current Egyptian peoples as to the purpose and history the the pyramids, or how to read the hieroglyphic writings, this being evidence of some great society of the past, no one knew anything about them, other than they had always just been there. :o
Personally, I think the pyramids were formed due to the fact that the people were tired of tripping over the rocks, littered though out the desert, so they collected them up into piles that wouldn't be easily missed, even in the dark! But then, what do I know. ::)
Scott.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on September 16, 2019, 05:37:26 PM
easy peasy, diana ross, florence ballard and mary wilson
the supremes
Quote from: deathsled on September 16, 2019, 03:11:15 PM
I think I overreacted. But still. Not everybody shares the same interests. And no, I'd be hard pressed to name all the Supremes. Not so interesting for me.
Lol to "don't marry her!"
Showed Mary Wilson on a clip of dancing with the stars on the news. Boy for a woman that is 75 yrs young, she can move!!
Egyptians didn't build the pyramids. An earlier civilization did. You can't carbon date stone and when you expose elements to high doses of radiation they carbon test more then ten times newer, or is that to the power of 10 newer? I forget now which it is? Gotta go back and look at the test data sheet.
I'd suspect that Armageddon already happened and we're the "meek that inherited the Earth" and they are our oil fields, but that's just speculation based on circumstantial evidence. Dr. Hawass doesn't except any of that. I don't blame him. ;D
Oh incidentally, I have no idea who the Camaro was named after. Who was he?
Quote from: deathsled on September 16, 2019, 06:14:11 PM
As additional commentary to this lawyer, I contend that he was in his heyday during the 1960s. The 1960s was a period of time when auto racing, street racing and muscle cars/ sports cars of all kinds patrolled the streets.
Maybe he grew up in New York City. Most people there don't even know how to drive. Our daughter is 47 and knows cars. She hated Mustangs because that is what was always around. In high school she drove my hot rod 70 Sports Roof and was tired of all the guys hanging around trying to pick her up. She is still mad at me for selling our little 1963 Mini station wagon when she was 5. My wife made it up to her by giving her our later RHD Cooper when she got her 04 Tbird. The 10 year old grandson is being properly schooled - wife has taught him all the Beatle songs and we've taken him to SAAC conventions and races.
Here he is at the George Barris garage sale. Had to explain that there are many Batmobiles - but this was the first one.
Nice!
That looks like the Dragula in the background....
Re: Helen Kushnick
Quote from: Side-Oilers on September 16, 2019, 07:13:27 PM
True story:
So, one day, Carroll instructs me: "Get me booked on the Carson show when Leno is hosting."
OK, I'll give it a shot.
I call Jay and ask. He thinks it would be fun, but warned that he didn't have a lot of pull as to who the guests were, as it was still Johnny's show, and Johnny would definitely be watching the broadcast, or reviewing the tapes, to see how Jay did.
But, Jay did give me the number of his agent/manager, Helen Kushnick, who apparently did have the pull to book guests. (She later became the show's Executive Producer, when Johnny retired and Jay got the full-time gig.)
She was regarded by many in the business as tough to deal with, and I knew I'd only have about 30 seconds of her attention to make the pitch---and it'd better be a good one.
I wrote out a bunch of suggested talking points for Jay and Carroll, and read them off when I finally got her on the phone. I emphasized to her that Carroll is an icon and hero to an entire generation or two of Americans, as well as a household name to millions of men (and Tonight Show viewers.)
When I got done with my pitch, there was silence on the other end of the receiver.
Finally..."Never heard of her." CLICK.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-09-23-ca-1114-story.html
Checked out Helen's IMDb bio. Sounds like she politely said no thanks.
Quote from: Don Johnston on September 16, 2019, 03:44:39 PM
It always stuns me how few millenials know those bands called the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. Makes me want to slam my walker against the wall. Kids! 8)
I'm not a millennial and I don't care for drug-era music. The 60's did more to destroy the fabric of this nation than any point in history.
I love the Beach Boys. Jan and Dean and many others of the era. However, if you're honest the Beetles or Mick Jagger can't really carry a tune in a bucket.
I also hold no musician up as a hero. I served with many Heroes in two uniforms.
P.S. I'm in my early 50's.
-Keith
She didn't last for long on the Tonight Show. During the Carson era, there were lots of strange and obscure guests.
It's often difficult to determine cause and effect. She was fired from the Tonight Show according to one bio because NBC Exec's didn't care for her or her decisions.
One of the best Tonight Shows I thought was one with James Garner talking about his introduction to the car culture for the filming of Grand Prix. It was probably in '67. They were still in NYC. He remarked about being taken around the track as a passenger in a Cobra following a GT40. Mentioning Ken Miles.
That was before her time.
He talked about being in a Cobra with a "Comp windscreen" and being hit with the little pebbles that the the 40s tires threw and how they hurt.
Back then, Freddie Decordova. the shows producer, didn''t save all tapes. He regularly taped over them to save money. That happened to the Garner tape according to him. Too bad. It was a gem.
The '60s were certainly a social revolution. Everyone was affected in one way or another. More so if you lived through it but it certainly has lingering effects still.
If Garner's performance in that show was any indication, Shelby would have been fine as well. He certainly had a talent when in the limelight and would be a natural match up with Leno.
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on September 22, 2019, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: Don Johnston on September 16, 2019, 03:44:39 PM
It always stuns me how few millenials know those bands called the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. Makes me want to slam my walker against the wall. Kids! 8)
I'm not a millennial and I don't care for drug-era music. The 60's did more to destroy the fabric of this nation than any point in history.
I love the Beach Boys. Jan and Dean and many others of the era. However, if you're honest the Beetles or Mick Jagger can't really carry a tune in a bucket.
I also hold no musician up as a hero. I served with many Heroes in two uniforms.
P.S. I'm in my early 50's.
-Keith
Not to mention Bob Dillon? Who in the HE#% ever said he could sing?!!!
And IMO Led Zeppelin's music I CANNOT stand!!! The ONLY song that I half way like is "Stairway to Heaven", Sorry to all you Zepp fans ::)
But, I do like me some Motley Crue, AC/DC on occasion. But really enjoy Boston, Styx, Eagles, Steve Miller, CCR, REO, Foreigner, Cars, etc,etc,,,,,,,
And I'm 57 yrs old(young)?
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 23, 2019, 09:06:53 AM
She didn't last for long on the Tonight Show. During the Carson era, there were lots of strange and obscure guests.
It's often difficult to determine cause and effect. She was fired from the Tonight Show according to one bio because NBC Exec's didn't care for her or her decisions.
One of the best Tonight Shows I thought was one with James Garner talking about his introduction to the car culture for the filming of Grand Prix. It was probably in '67. They were still in NYC. He remarked about being taken around the track as a passenger in a Cobra following a GT40. Mentioning Ken Miles.
That was before her time.
He talked about being in a Cobra with a "Comp windscreen" and being hit with the little pebbles that the the 40s tires threw and how they hurt.
Back then, Freddie Decordova. the shows producer, didn''t save all tapes. He regularly taped over them to save money. That happened to the Garner tape according to him. Too bad. It was a gem.
The '60s were certainly a social revolution. Everyone was affected in one way or another. More so if you lived through it but it certainly has lingering effects still.
If Garner's performance in that show was any indication, Shelby would have been fine as well. He certainly had a talent when in the limelight and would be a natural match up with Leno.
Doug, too bad that show's tape doesn't exist. Garner was the everyman's hero in almost every roll he played.
He and CS on the show together would've been impossible to beat.
Kopec knew someone that knew Freddie. When they asked about it, that was the reply.
Garner got into it so much he tried to field a team of Corvettes in 68 which apparently went no where? At least, I never heard anything about it besides the announcement.
Garner had Dick Guldstrand build and prep the Corvettes. Guldstrand's shop was next door to Traco in Culver City (where I grew up.)
There's a photo of Garner standing by the '68 427 Corvette he was driving on the street and, with it, one of the race cars and team members---if I'm remembering correctly.
Everytime I've seen that pix, I wondered how 6'3" Garner squeezed his approx 225-pounds into that small interior. I have a '70 Corvette and barely (at 6'1" and 180 pounds) can sit upright to drive it.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on September 16, 2019, 07:13:27 PM
True story:
When I worked for CS, as PR Manager, at the Shelby Autos facility in 1987-89, I got to know Leno a little bit. He hung around a couple of times, met Shelby, talked cars, etc.
Bob McClurg and I shot a Mustang Illustrated Cover there in Whittier. We had one of the original 66 Converts and Leno with his Mark Garish built 427. Had a good time then we all went over to Dean Moon's and ate at the greasy spoon next door. CS gave me a couple sets of 3 piece modular wheels that fit my Plymouth Mini Van. With fresh Goodyears on them. I never bought tires for that car.
Quote from: deathsled on September 22, 2019, 09:48:19 PM
Nice!
That looks like the Dragula in the background....
Munster Coach. Dragula was the coffin.
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 23, 2019, 09:06:53 AM
Back then, Freddie Decordova. the shows producer, didn''t save all tapes. He regularly taped over them to save money. That happened to the Garner tape according to him. Too bad. It was a gem.
I had a similar experience, a number of years ago on our local Detroit talk radio JWR AM760, the morning host (who's a car guy) was at SEMA and interviewed Bob Bondurant. Bob talked about how the school got started following his serious accident and retirement from racing, selling the Cobra coupe for start-up $'s.
He mentioned in the 1st couple of classes was Jim Garner and Paul Newman, who he judged as the 2 most gifted drivers in Hollywood. He told how Paul didn't want to be known as "the movie actor" at the track so he went by the moniker "Mr Leonard" ( his middle name). He liked to just hang around the track in jeans & tee shirt, drinking Bud from a can and talking "cars" with the guys. He also said Jim Garner could have persued professional driving had he wanted to.
anyway later I called the station to see if they had tape of the broadcast and would they sell/share it, the reply was they only save the tape for a few weeks !
I think that recording would get a ton of hits on social media today !
best regards,
jim p
Quote from: 6R07mi on September 25, 2019, 01:01:09 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 23, 2019, 09:06:53 AM
Back then, Freddie Decordova. the shows producer, didn''t save all tapes. He regularly taped over them to save money. That happened to the Garner tape according to him. Too bad. It was a gem.
I had a similar experience, a number of years ago on our local Detroit talk radio JWR AM760, the morning host (who's a car guy) was at SEMA and interviewed Bob Bondurant. Bob talked about how the school got started following his serious accident and retirement from racing, selling the Cobra coupe for start-up $'s.
He mentioned in the 1st couple of classes was Jim Garner and Paul Newman, who he judged as the 2 most gifted drivers in Hollywood. He told how Paul didn't want to be known as "the movie actor" at the track so he went by the moniker "Mr Leonard" ( his middle name). He liked to just hang around the track in jeans & tee shirt, drinking Bud from a can and talking "cars" with the guys. He also said Jim Garner could have perused professional driving had he wanted to.
anyway later I called the station to see if they had tape of the broadcast and would they sell/share it, the reply was they only save the tape for a few weeks !
I think that recording would get a ton of hits on social media today !
best regards,
jim p
Cool story, thanks for sharing!
Charlize Theron. Mark Wahlberg. Candice Bergen. The list of Bob's students goes on and on. Virtually anyone who did their own driving in a film went through his school. Don't know about "Kowolski" in the Dodge though? (Barry Newman). He wanted to know what the XXX867 meant on my license plate. Told him my dog used to be a porno star. He made a face and said "sure pal". :)
Back in '82, he had Collen Kopec up on the guardrail flat out in one of those Cobra AC continuations at the Ford track at Utica. Gave my stomach serious butterflies. I was on that track too and wouldn't go anywhere near the top of the banking.
Reminded me of those water park tube rides where the tube is hanging over the top and no one cares how loud you scream?
Ooo. Just got the butterflies again on that. :o
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 25, 2019, 02:54:26 PM
Charlize Theron. Mark Wahlberg. Candice Bergen. The list of Bob's students goes on and on. Virtually anyone who did their own driving in a film went through his school. Don't know about "Kowolski" in the Dodge though? (Barry Newman). He wanted to know what the XXX867 meant on my license plate. Told him my dog used to be a porno star. He made a face and said "sure pal". :)
Back in '82, he had Collen Kopec up on the guardrail flat out in one of those Cobra AC continuations at the Ford track at Utica. Gave my stomach serious butterflies. I was on that track too and wouldn't go anywhere near the top of the banking.
Reminded me of those water park tube rides where the tube is hanging over the top and no one cares how loud you scream?
Ooo. Just got the butterflies again on that. :o
"Back in '82, he had Collen Kopec up on the guardrail flat out in one of those Cobra AC continuations at the Ford track at Utica. Gave my stomach serious butterflies. I was on that track too and wouldn't go anywhere near the top of the banking."I was there too, and Bob let me drive it (right place, right time, I guess.) Still have the photo of the speedometer at 120+ mph on that track.
Later in my career, I drove on banked tracks many times, at top speed. A fun Motor Trend TV segment I did was giving commentary with the in-car camera and taking my hands off the wheel of a Ferrari at top speed on the banking at Ford's Desert Proving Grounds in Kingman AZ, to prove that it would track around by itself. Fortunately for all involved, it did.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on September 25, 2019, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on September 25, 2019, 02:54:26 PM
Charlize Theron. Mark Wahlberg. Candice Bergen. The list of Bob's students goes on and on. Virtually anyone who did their own driving in a film went through his school. Don't know about "Kowolski" in the Dodge though? (Barry Newman). He wanted to know what the XXX867 meant on my license plate. Told him my dog used to be a porno star. He made a face and said "sure pal". :)
Back in '82, he had Collen Kopec up on the guardrail flat out in one of those Cobra AC continuations at the Ford track at Utica. Gave my stomach serious butterflies. I was on that track too and wouldn't go anywhere near the top of the banking.
Reminded me of those water park tube rides where the tube is hanging over the top and no one cares how loud you scream?
Ooo. Just got the butterflies again on that. :o
"Back in '82, he had Collen Kopec up on the guardrail flat out in one of those Cobra AC continuations at the Ford track at Utica. Gave my stomach serious butterflies. I was on that track too and wouldn't go anywhere near the top of the banking."
I was there too, and Bob let me drive it (right place, right time, I guess.) Still have the photo of the speedometer at 120+ mph on that track.
Later in my career, I drove on banked tracks many times, at top speed. A fun Motor Trend TV segment I did was giving commentary with the in-car camera and taking my hands off the wheel of a Ferrari at top speed on the banking at Ford's Desert Proving Grounds in Kingman AZ, to prove that it would track around by itself. Fortunately for all involved, it did.
That's cheating! My Pantera is like that too. The faster that you go, the more stable it becomes. Up to about 150mph though. There the slightest cross wind will chatter the steering. Mostly aerodynamic lift. A chin spoiler raises the top speed somewhat before it does that?
I think 125 was as fast as that "Cobra" would go? Bonduraunt said something to that effect. It had a 302 GT engine in it as I recall?
I remember the first time I drove a Pantera. It was Ken Ebers. It was a yellow '71 with Webers on it. He asked me if I wanted to buy it since he didn't like it. There is a road here that has a "reputation". Rt684. I suppose I was test driving it?
I was driving the car up the local service road, Rt.22, and entering 684 north right near the Westchester Air Port. I was just accelerating normally for me and I heard Ken say, "what are you nuts?". I looked down at the speedometer and it was at 110. Third gear too? Good thing he flagged me down before I actually got out onto the open road probably? It was only on the entrance ramp. 8)
It was very stable and quiet in the cabin. Sure all the racket was behind us. He had just bought the car from Lynn Parks "little" brother. Engine was worked a little? ;D
The Utica track I didn't like. Lots of traffic on it and I kept running up on peoples bumpers. We had a no passing "rule" at the time. That's where I was using my $10 motorcycle helmet and we had no lawyers making us sign waivers. I ran over the brake scoop of a '66 GT350 that blew off the guys car. Scraped up the paint on my fender. Exploded the brake scoop though.
You are correct as to the top speed of that car Bondo had. My pix is at 120 and a few, with the tach at or very close to redline. I'll see if I can dig it up and post.
That track (IIRC) was concrete and very bumpy too.
Your last paragraph made me laugh. $10 helmet. Dodging flying parts. Yup, those were the days.
Good times!
I have respect for Panteras. One you work the overheating bugs out of them, and add some more power, they are fun. I don't remember ever seeing Lynn's brother's car. If that was Eddie, I knew him a little bit, but must have missed that one.
That was '82. I didn't have my Pantera then. That was my 68 GT350 with the Boss 351 and Webers on it.
It's funny when you get on a track, the little whiny sob's come out. They bitch to you that you are pushing them and really are just pissed that they can't pull away at 130 like they thought they would. Seems their car wasn't as fast as they thought it was or thought it should be? Amusing when it comes down to it really?
I don't know who kills the fun faster, them or the attorneys who demand a
Snell number on your cast aluminum COBRA supporter cup?
I told them those Le mans stripes don't make 100hp more. I think the six attorneys on the board voted 5 to 1 that they do?;D
I'm a lawyer but...I've always ascribed to "If it doesn't make it go fast, then it makes it go slow." Paint has always been and always will be all show and no go.
Best,
Richard E.
Quote from: deathsled on September 26, 2019, 11:22:20 AM
I'm a lawyer but...I've always ascribed to "If it doesn't make it go fast, then it makes it go slow." Paint has always been and always will be all show and no go.
Best,
Richard E.
Let's not enter reason, logic or data into the discussion. It will just confuse things further.
Ha ha ha! Yes no doubt!