He has a few points here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhbVcfuBxvA
Cant believe I missed your post, this guy is spot on with his qoutes and predictions;
dust collectors, we will hoard the cars, trailered from far away, took my family to a car show but did not spend time with them, notable figures walking around , they dont care....
That is why we have many diverse events.
Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. Ferris Bueller
Interesting video.
I watched a few other videos he has posted. He is definitely opinionated.
Definition of opinion - a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Trouble is he doesn't present any empirical data to back up his predictions. Plenty of supposition and conjecture. He plays on the emotions of the viewer. He frequently wanders off topic and rambles about how he did or knows something which is the very thing he is seems to be against (the washed up race car driver comment).
He may actually be right about a few things but, for all the wrong reasons.
This doesn't make him reasonable just makes him lucky.
I suggest you watch his rant on internet trolls and how to deal with them. This one might hit close to home for some of you ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk07t7gLyI8
Hilarious. I'm still laughing.
Pay close attention, he never actually answers the question how to deal with them.
I hate to inform the guy but at 38, he isn't a "relevant young person" as he puts it. Come on fella's I'm sure he has the answer, you just have to go to his website where he probably has a downloadable $19.95 ebook that gives you all the super secrets LOL!!! He also sounds a little butt hurt because these "smart rich donors" didn't give him the keys to the city....HUMM I wonder why.
Well I could only make it through 7 minutes of his BS. Sounds like he is a jealous left wing young person who thinks all us "old people" have screwed everything up and we do not understand anything!!!! I agree that magazines, newspapers, and cable TV are on the way out...hell who does not know that. But thank God we have this DB. He knows all and will fix everything!!!
So all us "old people" hoard cars.....I think it is called collecting. I appreciate all the major collectors who have shared their collections with the public through car museums!!! It is his problem, and all his young friends, if they do not have time to get off their ass and go to a car museum! Oh wait there is an entry fee to help keep the museum going! That is the problem!! They do not want to pay that. The government or us "old people" should pay that for them!! This guy is mad because someone will not give him a car! Get a job, work hard, do not job jump every two years and maybe you will be able to buy yourself a few nice cars!!!!
This guy has a really high opinion of himself. I don't share that same opinion. What a dud.
That's like 3 minutes of my life I'll never get back.
Some people like to watch themselves talk sh!t?
I bet he road races a stock Miata.
And goes to Starbucks in his Toyota Yaris.
Wearing his J Crew sweater and Teva Sandles .
Getting a strawberry latte skinny machiatto.
I just watched the Troll one....Thanks for nothing.
Blathering liberal moron with absolutely no clue. Part of the spoiled entitled generation. P.S. This douche bag isn't wealthy because he is self-made.
Consider the source. Self-important with absolutely no contributions to society.
dont know if everyone is aware that every time you click on his site, the sponsor sends him monetary compensation...
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 13, 2019, 07:02:03 AM
dont know if everyone is aware that every time you click on his site, the sponsor sends him monetary compensation...
;D ;D. Exactly and that is why I didn't do it.
+ 1
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 13, 2019, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on November 13, 2019, 07:02:03 AM
dont know if everyone is aware that every time you click on his site, the sponsor sends him monetary compensation...
;D ;D. Exactly and that is why I didn't do it.
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on November 13, 2019, 12:45:47 AM
Blathering liberal moron with absolutely no clue. Part of the spoiled entitled generation. P.S. This douche bag isn't wealthy because he is self-made.
Consider the source. Self-important with absolutely no contributions to society.
+1
I would like to hear some of your opinions on his pompus allegations instead of just saying he's a looney.
Why are collectors divesting now ? ( more so than in the past)
Why are automotive museums closing?
Why would a millenial want an old antique car when he ( or she) is fixated on their phone or tablet while their parents drive them around?
Why ( if they had the money) would they spend $200K on and old car when $100K gets you 700+hp , A/C , P/S , P/B, 25MPG , a warranty and financing?
I agree this guy is a whack but some of the concerns are valid ( to me anyway). There is no guarantee our cars will be in high demand and short supply to those not around "in the day" like many of us were. "My" plan is to hang onto mine for 13 more years and sell then. It would be nice to know the bottom isn't going to fall out because of lack of demand in the future. How many current 20-50 year olds want a stock Model T? They used to bring good money ( respectively) too.
Randy
I Agree, he has some valid arguments.
He is just incredibly obnoxious. His Southern Hillbilly accent every time he mimics a "boomer" car guy being an example.
He also doesn't offer any real solutions. At least nothing that does not require his holy highness to institute.
Randy, why 13 years? Do you know something the rest of us don't...? ???
+ 1 the clock is ticking...13 years...
Quote from: gt350hr on November 13, 2019, 11:19:07 AM
I would like to hear some of your opinions on his pompus allegations instead of just saying he's a looney.
Why are collectors divesting now ? ( more so than in the past)
Why are automotive museums closing?
Why would a millenial want an old antique car when he ( or she) is fixated on their phone or tablet while their parents drive them around?
Why ( if they had the money) would they spend $200K on and old car when $100K gets you 700+hp , A/C , P/S , P/B, 25MPG , a warranty and financing?
I agree this guy is a whack but some of the concerns are valid ( to me anyway). There is no guarantee our cars will be in high demand and short supply to those not around "in the day" like many of us were. "My" plan is to hang onto mine for 13 more years and sell then. It would be nice to know the bottom isn't going to fall out because of lack of demand in the future. How many current 20-50 year olds want a stock Model T? They used to bring good money ( respectively) too.
Randy
Randy, why 13 years? Do you know something the rest of us don't...? ???
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I think 13 years are when AOC said the world will end....her and Gretta.
Ha...! I think she said 12. But I'm selling everything in 11, just to play it safe. Live out the last remaining months car-less and homeless.
Hey wait, I'd rather live them out speeding, doing massive burnouts and eating whatever I want.
Quote from: gt350hr on November 13, 2019, 11:19:07 AM
I would like to hear some of your opinions on his pompus allegations instead of just saying he's a looney.
Why are collectors divesting now ? ( more so than in the past)
Why are automotive museums closing?
Why would a millenial want an old antique car when he ( or she) is fixated on their phone or tablet while their parents drive them around?
Why ( if they had the money) would they spend $200K on and old car when $100K gets you 700+hp , A/C , P/S , P/B, 25MPG , a warranty and financing?
I agree this guy is a whack but some of the concerns are valid ( to me anyway). There is no guarantee our cars will be in high demand and short supply to those not around "in the day" like many of us were. "My" plan is to hang onto mine for 13 more years and sell then. It would be nice to know the bottom isn't going to fall out because of lack of demand in the future. How many current 20-50 year olds want a stock Model T? They used to bring good money ( respectively) too.
Randy
+1
I think he makes some good points which are hard to accept because of his speaking style. Constantly telling your target audience how smart you are and how stupid they are is not a winning strategy. Especially when that audience has the money you want for your project. I think I know why he' not getting the financial backing that he obviously wants. Some training in persuasive speaking would do this guy a lot of good.
In spite of his abrasive style though, he is right on several points. To mention just one - The number of young people who appreciate our cars is dwindling. And giving rides and sharing the driver's seat is probably a better way to win hearts and minds than static displays.
Steve
Quote from: gt350hr on November 13, 2019, 11:19:07 AM
I would like to hear some of your opinions on his pompus allegations instead of just saying he's a looney.
Why are collectors divesting now ? ( more so than in the past)
Why are automotive museums closing?
Why would a millenial want an old antique car when he ( or she) is fixated on their phone or tablet while their parents drive them around?
Why ( if they had the money) would they spend $200K on and old car when $100K gets you 700+hp , A/C , P/S , P/B, 25MPG , a warranty and financing?
I agree this guy is a whack but some of the concerns are valid ( to me anyway). There is no guarantee our cars will be in high demand and short supply to those not around "in the day" like many of us were. "My" plan is to hang onto mine for 13 more years and sell then. It would be nice to know the bottom isn't going to fall out because of lack of demand in the future. How many current 20-50 year olds want a stock Model T? They used to bring good money ( respectively) too.
Randy
I kinda hope young folks don't want these cars in the future, maybe then in 13 years I'll be able to afford Randy's car.
Ha! Truly, if prices suddenly plummeted, I'd buy more cars!! 😜
Also, I always find it intriguing while people compare 60s muscle cars to Model Ts / As. To me, it's a bit of apples and oranges, as I can still take my car out on the regular roads / highways; which is tough in a Model T / A, IMHO.
couldn't watch it all. But yeah I see the point I guess. I would much rather see them on the road than in the museum but the next issue is, is there anyone left to drive them. I think the whole classic car hobby is going to decline in the next 10 years, because the younger folks don't car. ESPECIALLY brass era cars.
Quote from: gt350hr on November 13, 2019, 11:19:07 AM
I would like to hear some of your opinions on his pompus allegations instead of just saying he's a looney.
Why are collectors divesting now ? ( more so than in the past)
Why are automotive museums closing?
Why would a millenial want an old antique car when he ( or she) is fixated on their phone or tablet while their parents drive them around?
Why ( if they had the money) would they spend $200K on and old car when $100K gets you 700+hp , A/C , P/S , P/B, 25MPG , a warranty and financing?
I agree this guy is a whack but some of the concerns are valid ( to me anyway). There is no guarantee our cars will be in high demand and short supply to those not around "in the day" like many of us were. "My" plan is to hang onto mine for 13 more years and sell then. It would be nice to know the bottom isn't going to fall out because of lack of demand in the future. How many current 20-50 year olds want a stock Model T? They used to bring good money ( respectively) too.
Randy
Randy,
I guess I see things a little different than most but I will offer my 2 cents.
Collectors are divesting because some of them see it's time for them. That is not unreasonable as people do change over time. For some, the thrill of the hunt is what keeps them in the game and unless you keep that passion stoked, you get bored. Prices seem to be holding pretty strong for good cars and it will continue to do so. A wise man once told me, good cars don't have to be sold, they sell themselves and I have found that to be true. That being said, there has to be a demand and the Shelby provenance carries a tremendous amount of weight and desire.
Automotive museums are closing because people have moved on to the internet, youtube etc.... where you can see them all. Before cars such as a Cobra, GT350, GT500 or a 71 Hemi Cuda was at your finger click, you only saw them at a museum if you were fortunate. Now you can seem in 4K and in great detail.
Not every millennial is fixated on their phone and tablet, look at the street racing TV show's and the restoration shows. There are more of them on TV and online than ever before because demand is strong. I believe however, that each of us does have a responsibility to show our cars to young people and when at a car show let them sit in your baby instead of "DO NOT TOUCH". You remember what it was like to see the cobra symbol in the steering wheel or the tach on the dash. One day, some of them will have the cash to buy them and will.
Why will they buy them, because they are rare and worth something. Even though you can buy a technically better car, you can't buy the provenance or the investment value. The reason Model T, A and B's dropped in value is because there are still a lot of them, remember Ford built something like 4 Million of them by 1930. Compare that to probably 3-400 65's, a few thousand 66's, 67-70's etc... that are left.
I don't buy into the gloom and doom because I don't see it. I attend most of the major shows and there are more late model mustangs there than 60's, why, because that is what they can afford and they have a desire to show them. So we as early Shelby and mustang owners have a couple of choices, be active in the Shelby community and promote the cars by attending events or sale the car to someone that will. Don't take the option of just letting it set there under the cover because it might get dirty, or it's to nice to drive or your afraid it will get hit. I implore everyone, drive your cars every chance you get, show them to the world.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 13, 2019, 12:05:57 PM
Randy, why 13 years? Do you know something the rest of us don't...? ???
I don't know that I want to drag race past 80 years of age. Maybe that attitude will change in time. That would be 58 years of ownership and continuous drag racing at that point. Heck California might be all electric by then LOL.
I've owned 2 classic Shelbys. A '68 fastback from 1991 - 2012, and my current '69 convertible since 2009. What I have noticed is that in the 1990s, I received a lot more enthusiastic responses while driving the car, and at the car cruises/shows. As the 2000s passed, the number of enthusiastic responses has dwindled. I believe fewer and fewer people know what my 69 Shelby convertible is. They stare at it, and give me a thumbs up, with a puzzled look on their face. They like the car, and it makes an impression, but have no clue it is a classic Shelby. I have also overheard several people, of all generations and ages, speak at car cruises and say to each other "what kind of car is that?".
My point is that in the 1990s just about any car enthusiast knew exactly what my '68 GT500KR was, and responded accordingly. Nowadays, I think 50% of the people that give me the thumbs up fo my 69 Shelby convertible, don't know what the make of my car is. They say "nice car", not nice Shelby.
Quote from: Shelby_r_b on November 13, 2019, 01:46:27 PM
Ha! Truly, if prices suddenly plummeted, I'd buy more cars!! 😜
That time is now. They are cheap. Unless you thinking you want it to be President Carter days again and buy them for 3500 to 5000?
Quote from: 67 GT350 on November 13, 2019, 06:41:53 PM
Quote from: Shelby_r_b on November 13, 2019, 01:46:27 PM
Ha! Truly, if prices suddenly plummeted, I'd buy more cars!! 😜
That time is now. They are cheap. Unless you thinking you want it to be President Carter days again and buy them for 3500 to 5000?
I have to be honest: it seems like you mention something to the effect of "The market is down!" every chance you get. What do you consider cheap? And, please show me these inexpensive Shelbys, because I would love to buy another. 👍🏻
+ 1 agreed we need to do a better job of telling and showing our history
dont ask me who the people in the photos are, we truly dont know
they or their parents stopped by started a conversation on the vehicle and ended up with a memory
Quote from: Greg on November 13, 2019, 02:49:37 PM
Quote from: gt350hr on November 13, 2019, 11:19:07 AM
Randy,
I guess I see things a little different than most but I will offer my 2 cents.
Collectors are divesting because some of them see it's time for them. That is not unreasonable as people do change over time. For some, the thrill of the hunt is what keeps them in the game and unless you keep that passion stoked, you get bored. Prices seem to be holding pretty strong for good cars and it will continue to do so. A wise man once told me, good cars don't have to be sold, they sell themselves and I have found that to be true. That being said, there has to be a demand and the Shelby provenance carries a tremendous amount of weight and desire.
Automotive museums are closing because people have moved on to the internet, youtube etc.... where you can see them all. Before cars such as a Cobra, GT350, GT500 or a 71 Hemi Cuda was at your finger click, you only saw them at a museum if you were fortunate. Now you can seem in 4K and in great detail.
Not every millennial is fixated on their phone and tablet, look at the street racing TV show's and the restoration shows. There are more of them on TV and online than ever before because demand is strong. I believe however, that each of us does have a responsibility to show our cars to young people and when at a car show let them sit in your baby instead of "DO NOT TOUCH". You remember what it was like to see the cobra symbol in the steering wheel or the tach on the dash. One day, some of them will have the cash to buy them and will.
Why will they buy them, because they are rare and worth something. Even though you can buy a technically better car, you can't buy the provenance or the investment value. The reason Model T, A and B's dropped in value is because there are still a lot of them, remember Ford built something like 4 Million of them by 1930. Compare that to probably 3-400 65's, a few thousand 66's, 67-70's etc... that are left.
I don't buy into the gloom and doom because I don't see it. I attend most of the major shows and there are more late model mustangs there than 60's, why, because that is what they can afford and they have a desire to show them. So we as early Shelby and mustang owners have a couple of choices, be active in the Shelby community and promote the cars by attending events or sale the car to someone that will. Don't take the option of just letting it set there under the cover because it might get dirty, or it's to nice to drive or your afraid it will get hit. I implore everyone, drive your cars every chance you get, show them to the world.
I think we all do some "divesting" when we have much more than we need or we're moving on to something new. I do the same thing with some of my coin collection and train collection. I also have no blood children. It would become a burden to anyone who had to liquidate my collections. I also have not noticed a real downward trend in the market. As usual, it's liquid and fluctuates.
P.S. Ole' Casey is from the hell hole known as Connecticut. That's not a southern drawl.
According to his own site:
"Casey Putsch is a 36 year-old resident of Perrysburg, Ohio where he lives with his wife Taylor. He is most well known for his automotive accolades and endeavors in restoration, design, and racing. Often described as the ultimate renaissance man, Putsch is also a leader in the social sector with his philanthropic work. Most notable of which is the Genius Garage, a non-profit educational program and charity that Putsch founded."
"Often described as the ultimate renaissance man..."
Not just a run of the mill regular renaissance man, he's the ultimate.
Often described by whom? Himself?
He was listed as CT in another profile. Ohio is northern, not southern. Still an annoying puke.
Agreed 100%.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 14, 2019, 10:09:13 PM
According to his own site:
"Casey Putsch is a 36 year-old resident of Perrysburg, Ohio where he lives with his wife Taylor. He is most well known for his automotive accolades and endeavors in restoration, design, and racing. Often described as the ultimate renaissance man, Putsch is also a leader in the social sector with his philanthropic work. Most notable of which is the Genius Garage, a non-profit educational program and charity that Putsch founded."
"Often described as the ultimate renaissance man..."
Not just a run of the mill regular renaissance man, he's the ultimate.
Often described by whom? Himself?
Self proclaimed
Last time I checked, da Vinci would be considered an ultimate Renaissance Man. (But he didn't have a blog.)
"Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) is a prime example of a Renaissance man. He was a painter, sculptor, humanist, scientist, architect, philosopher, engineer, and more. He was considered a universal genius by many."
and that's what we call entertainment....acting !
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 14, 2019, 10:09:13 PM
According to his own site:
"Casey Putsch is a 36 year-old resident of Perrysburg, Ohio where he lives with his wife Taylor. He is most well known for his automotive accolades and endeavors in restoration, design, and racing. Often described as the ultimate renaissance man, Putsch is also a leader in the social sector with his philanthropic work. Most notable of which is the Genius Garage, a non-profit educational program and charity that Putsch founded."
"Often described as the ultimate renaissance man..."
Not just a run of the mill regular renaissance man, he's the ultimate.
Often described by whom? Himself?
Hmmmm, Genius Garage, a non-profit educational program and charity that Putsch founded.
Hmmm, he's on the NON-profit band wagon.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on November 15, 2019, 09:51:36 AM
Hmmmm, Genius Garage, a non-profit educational program and charity that Putsch founded.
Hmmm, he's on the NON-profit band wagon.
What better way to buy cool cars and get a tax write off....
I would think his game is for someone to donate a cool car to his "charity"
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 14, 2019, 10:17:32 PM
Last time I checked, da Vinci would be considered an ultimate Renaissance Man. (But he didn't have a blog.)
"Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) is a prime example of a Renaissance man. He was a painter, sculptor, humanist, scientist, architect, philosopher, engineer, and more. He was considered a universal genius by many."
Didn't Leonardo da Vinci invent the internet? Nevermind. That was Al Bore. LOL
My flight quote is actually from none other than da Vinci. He would be amazed if he flew jump seat on the flight deck with me. He could have never guessed flight would become what it is.
-Keith
Quote from: 1967 eight barrel on November 17, 2019, 05:39:08 PM
He could have never guessed flight would become what it is.
-Keith
Or could he have guessed? :o
If he espoused the future of human flight he probably would have been burned at the stake or blasphemy in an era when the belief was that only angels could fly.
So as to the original topic, would some believe that all museums will eventually close as all we need to see or know is on the magic web of information and all that old stuff is just old stuff? 8)
At the end of the day the only way to maintain interest with teaching history is to have tangible history you can touch. Otherwise most of lost when you start reciting dates and places. I had planned to teach history but decided I couldn't have tolerated mouthy millennials.
Another reason that museum and many places are closing is because times are a changing. What is the highest and best use of this piece of property?
It use to be that at all four corners you had them occupied by gas or service stations. Look around today its banks or pharmacy's.
Highest and best use....more money, more money , more money