Have listed this from a few pieces I bought from an elderly gentleman. Thanks to a friend and info found here looks like a second printing? I'm no expert so just started it with no reserve. Thanks!
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F264534850517
It's a reproduction rather than an original second printing but still a neat signed piece!
Vern
Ok thanks for the info, will edit the listing.
Quote from: Vernon Estes on November 16, 2019, 10:01:08 AM
It's a reproduction rather than an original second printing but still a neat signed piece!
Vern
Vern,
What's the giveaway? Fill us "less knowledgeable" in. Love to learn about the literature ;)
Quote from: 69mach351w on November 17, 2019, 10:58:45 AM
Quote from: Vernon Estes on November 16, 2019, 10:01:08 AM
It's a reproduction rather than an original second printing but still a neat signed piece!
Vern
Vern,
What's the giveaway? Fill us "less knowledgeable" in. Love to learn about the literature ;)
Vern did that once for the manuals for a couple of years in the old Forum before it crashed. But, alas, that was all lost.....
Quote from: Sfm6sxxx on November 17, 2019, 01:56:00 PM
Quote from: 69mach351w on November 17, 2019, 10:58:45 AM
Quote from: Vernon Estes on November 16, 2019, 10:01:08 AM
It's a reproduction rather than an original second printing but still a neat signed piece!
Vern
Vern,
What's the giveaway? Fill us "less knowledgeable" in. Love to learn about the literature ;)
Vern did that once for the manuals for a couple of years in the old Forum before it crashed. But, alas, that was all lost.....
And, your point??
Original printing, see the fold out
Greg,
Those pics are of 65 manuals.
There is another manual comparison thread Vern was involved with on another forum years ago but I don't remember where it is, possibly shelbyforums.com?
Vern, do you remember where that is?
Dave
Hey Guys,
Sorry, I had not checked the thread in a while. Yesterday was my birthday so I wasn't logged on.
Hopefully one day I will be able to re-create the original thread about owners manuals. That thread took a bunch of my time and, as mentioned before, it's now lost. Those who know me well on this forum know that my life is different now than it was when I made that thread initially. Time is something I don't have a massive surplus of. When I get some spare time, I might be able to put the thread together again.
In the meantime...on 66 manuals the most simplistic and shortest explanation is that the paragraph on the top right hand side of the left page of the centerfold which shows the cutaway of the car...the word "optional" would have a home punch through it if it were a second printing along with the other typical "hole punch" areas seen in that centerfold. If it was a first printing, it would have not hole punches at all and all the wording would appear normal, not over-bolded like what is seen in the subject manual.
Keep in mind, that is how you distinguish a first from second printing. That isn't how you distinguish between simply a repop and an authentic manual of either variety.
Kind regards,
Vern
Found a few pics I took years ago showing some differences between a 1st printing original and reproduction. If someone can post some pics of a 2nd printing original it will show the differences Vern talks about.
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/236-171119201238.jpeg)
Great information, I appreciate it.
Quote from: s2ms on November 17, 2019, 08:17:31 PM
Found a few pics I took years ago showing some differences between a 1st printing original and reproduction. If someone can post some pics of a 2nd printing original it will show the differences Vern talks about.
Thought those from a Vern posting ::) Believe you posted two pictures of the cover also
Thanks for posting them again.
And addition not on the first Reproduction (to the left) picture is the bolder "SEAT" letters also in an attempt to fix the punch binder holes
Picture #2 in the below thread should help to show the 2nd printing open punch holes. Sorry for the small picture but one can see the single punch hole in the upper left area where the word "optional" is found. Then notice the 2 open punch holes on the bottom (one on each side of the seam).
https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=3980.0
Craig R.
Hi Vern,
Here is a pdf version of your original post. I cut and pasted it to a Word document when you first posted.
Happy Holidays!
Steve
Here are some better pictures of a presumed 2nd Printing original.
Craig R.
Here is another version of a 2nd Printing owner's manual.
Craig R.
Quote from: SHELB66 on November 17, 2019, 11:08:58 PM
Picture #2 in the below thread should help to show the 2nd printing open punch holes. Sorry for the small picture but one can see the single punch hole in the upper left area where the word "optional" is found. Then notice the 2 open punch holes on the bottom (one on each side of the seam).
https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=3980.0
Craig R.
I have attached pictures of two manuals I have. The left has no hole punches and the cover is lighter. The right has a hole where the words "one inch" are located and no hole in the tire and the cover is darker. A hole where (optional) and part of "seat" below it. It also looks like the word (optional) was filled in by hand prior to printing.
Greek
Quote from: greekz on November 18, 2019, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: SHELB66 on November 17, 2019, 11:08:58 PM
Picture #2 in the below thread should help to show the 2nd printing open punch holes. Sorry for the small picture but one can see the single punch hole in the upper left area where the word "optional" is found. Then notice the 2 open punch holes on the bottom (one on each side of the seam).
https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=3980.0
Craig R.
I have attached pictures of two manuals I have. The left has no hole punches and the cover is lighter. The right has a hole where the words "one inch" are located and no hole in the tire and the cover is darker. A hole where (optional) and part of "seat" below it. It also looks like the word (optional) was filled in by hand prior to printing.
Greek
FYI, the top picture with the hand written portion of "optional" is a reproduction manual. First printings are undisturbed...second printings have a blank hole....many versions of repops have been made ranging from the one you have which has a handwritten "fill in" to others where it was filled in by type-font but its more bold than the rest of the word (and example of this version is pictured earlier in the thread) to others where the hole is still blank but other aspects of the manual call it out as a repop.
Vern
Quote from: SHELB66 on November 18, 2019, 11:26:32 AM
Here is another version of a 2nd Printing owner's manual.
Craig R.
This lighter blue cover version (where the cover is almost made out of a construction paper type of paper) is an original what I would call "service replacement" manual.
That is not to say that it couldn't have been supplied in the cars from day one at the dealership, but it was likely printed by SAI and sent to dealers when they dealer ran out of manuals or needed more. I recently bought a 40k mile original 66 GT350 which had its original owners manual packet and included this manual.
Ive also had a67 early car which had the black and white "service manual" which was printed that year...with the original owners info in the front cover as well as the serial number of the car.
Kind regards,
Vern
Quote from: J_Speegle on November 17, 2019, 10:31:14 PM
Thought those from a Vern posting ::) Believe you posted two pictures of the cover also
Thanks for posting them again.
And addition not on the first Reproduction (to the left) picture is the bolder "SEAT" letters also in an attempt to fix the punch binder holes
You bet. Found the old thread I was thinking of, 2008, looks like we both posted there...
http://www.shelbyforums.com/threads/1966-gt-350-owners-manual.7746/ (http://www.shelbyforums.com/threads/1966-gt-350-owners-manual.7746/)
Yes, there was also some cover photos showing detail differences, found those too, here's the uncropped originals...
Quote from: s2ms on November 18, 2019, 12:56:00 PM
Quote from: J_Speegle on November 17, 2019, 10:31:14 PM
Thought those from a Vern posting ::) Believe you posted two pictures of the cover also
Thanks for posting them again.
And addition not on the first Reproduction (to the left) picture is the bolder "SEAT" letters also in an attempt to fix the punch binder holes
You bet. Found the old thread I was thinking of, 2008, looks like we both posted there...
http://www.shelbyforums.com/threads/1966-gt-350-owners-manual.7746/ (http://www.shelbyforums.com/threads/1966-gt-350-owners-manual.7746/)
Yes, there was also some cover photos showing detail differences, found those too, here's the uncropped originals...
Excellent example picture of the white square on the cover...also the "CS" with the checkered flag on the end of it never copies as well...
Quote from: greekz on November 18, 2019, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: SHELB66 on November 17, 2019, 11:08:58 PM
Picture #2 in the below thread should help to show the 2nd printing open punch holes. Sorry for the small picture but one can see the single punch hole in the upper left area where the word "optional" is found. Then notice the 2 open punch holes on the bottom (one on each side of the seam).
https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=3980.0
Craig R.
I have attached pictures of two manuals I have. The left has no hole punches and the cover is lighter. The right has a hole where the words "one inch" are located and no hole in the tire and the cover is darker. A hole where (optional) and part of "seat" below it. It also looks like the word (optional) was filled in by hand prior to printing.
Greek
Quote from: Vernon Estes on November 18, 2019, 12:44:33 PM
Quote from: greekz on November 18, 2019, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: SHELB66 on November 17, 2019, 11:08:58 PM
Picture #2 in the below thread should help to show the 2nd printing open punch holes. Sorry for the small picture but one can see the single punch hole in the upper left area where the word "optional" is found. Then notice the 2 open punch holes on the bottom (one on each side of the seam).
https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=3980.0
Craig R.
I have attached pictures of two manuals I have. The left has no hole punches and the cover is lighter. The right has a hole where the words "one inch" are located and no hole in the tire and the cover is darker. A hole where (optional) and part of "seat" below it. It also looks like the word (optional) was filled in by hand prior to printing.
Greek
FYI, the top picture with the hand written portion of "optional" is a reproduction manual. First printings are undisturbed...second printings have a blank hole....many versions of repops have been made ranging from the one you have which has a handwritten "fill in" to others where it was filled in by type-font but its more bold than the rest of the word (and example of this version is pictured earlier in the thread) to others where the hole is still blank but other aspects of the manual call it out as a repop.
Vern
I thought that might be the case. Thanks.
Greek