does ayone have some good pics of of the underside of an original 67 all glass hood and decklid that has been blacked out
Yes have a number of them. Let me grab a few. The exterior color makes a fair amount of difference since a light car (white for example) will show more "misting or overspray than darker colors where the overspray is difficult to see over the base black
First the trunk - You may have seen these pictures posted over on the Concours site in one or two threads about the subject. One where we were discussing about the paint coverage typically found on the trunk hinges so the captions relate to that subject
Arm appears to have full but somewhat lighter paint on bottom side. Don't forget the extra tootsie roll in place and painted on the drivers side.
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-240619192438.jpeg)
Arm appears to have full but slightly heavier paint coat on passenger side. No shadow visible in picture on lower hinge or body hinge bracket
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-240619192453.jpeg)
Decent paint coat (little light inside arm up towards the top) on hinge and no shadows
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/12/6-240619192409.jpeg)
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Additional pictures of white exterior cars for contrast purposes
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-191119190003.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-191119185917.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-191119185938.jpeg)
Different angle from one of the cars shown above
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-191119185949.jpeg)
Hope this helps
I answered a question on a similar thread started on the Concours Mustang forum . I thought I would post it here also for the benefit of those reading here. The question was in regards to the Plaza fiberglass sticker (factory supplier) with overspray paint on it. The Plaza fiberglass stickers didn't always stay put when stuck to the fiberglass so if missing there is typically a witness line in the shape of the missing sticker. No harm no foul in concours because that was "just the way it was" (quote Ed Meyer) . Also the stickers were on the trunk lids of course when they arrived at SA so the bottom side of the trunk and hood were apparently already blacked out when delivered to SA.Some were not blacked out and were bare fiberglass. Yes if you have a body color overspray pattern on the bottom side as it would be from the factory and the sticker is in the line of fire but somehow doesn't have overspray on it then it is grounds for a small deduction in concours judging given it wouldn't make practical sense. There were a varying range of spray patterns from one trunk lid or hood to another.
When I bought #1317 in 1977 it's hood and trunk under sides looked like the pictures Jeff posted.
However, there was a metal mesh under the hood which I removed later.
Texas Swede
Quote from: texas swede on November 20, 2019, 08:53:18 AM
When I bought #1317 in 1977 it's hood and trunk under sides looked like the pictures Jeff posted.
However, there was a metal mesh under the hood which I removed later.
Texas Swede
Anyone care to comment on the matter of some cars having this metal mesh on the underside of the hood? I have seen this on various '67's over the years - most recently on #1595, a factory paint GT500 with 50,000 miles.
Quote from: Bill Collins on November 20, 2019, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: texas swede on November 20, 2019, 08:53:18 AM
When I bought #1317 in 1977 it's hood and trunk under sides looked like the pictures Jeff posted.
However, there was a metal mesh under the hood which I removed later.
Texas Swede
Anyone care to comment on the matter of some cars having this metal mesh on the underside of the hood? I have seen this on various '67's over the years - most recently on #1595, a factory paint GT500 with 50,000 miles.
I have heard that it was added to help with radio reception, which was very poor on the '67 Shelby's, typically by dealers - others will hopefully know more/better.
We have a number of warranty forms by dealers adding the screen to eliminate radio static.
Dave M.
Quote from: acman63 on November 19, 2019, 03:23:57 PM
does ayone have some good pics of of the underside of an original 67 all glass hood and decklid that has been blacked out
I want to add that some cars that had the Plazaglas fiberglass hoods and trunk lids were unpainted on the bottom side. The attached photo is what the underside of my hood for #2115 looked like with a little soap and water. The trunk lid was also unpainted.
Dave
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 19, 2019, 11:44:15 PM
.....................The Plaza fiberglass stickers didn't always stay put when stuck to the fiberglass so if missing there is typically a witness line in the shape of the missing sticker..............................
To illustrate the shadow which would have been left after a Plaza sticker fell off later in life I offer the following. Of course this would not have taken place on panels supplied by other providers
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-201119153015.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-201119153027.jpeg)
A few examples of the bottom of the hood as requested. Lot less of them since so many have been painted over or rattle canned black over the years. Again tried to stay with white for contrast purposes
On this one (blue car) it shows some overspray that gained access to the bottom surface through the hood scoop openings
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-201119152108.jpeg)
And others
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-201119153746.jpeg)
Basically new car
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-201119152159.jpeg)
Hope these help
On the full 'glass hoods and decklids, any idea as to what the percentage is painted black vs. left as 'cast'? 95/5/ 50/50, etc?
It would seem to me that the vast majority (95%) were not painted?
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 20, 2019, 04:15:29 PM
It would seem to me that the vast majority (95%) were not painted?
If your asking about how much of the bottom (ignoring the body color over and direct spray) received black verse no black it depended on the hood. Most of the original cars I've had or seen were black 100% to 90% . Some examples had the black cleaned off (still visible in the edges of the grain while others appeared to have been missed but both the later were the minority by allot. When (vast majority) the stickers fall off the coat of black is very notable and easy to see
Just my experience talking about the Plaza examples
Well I presume they started as 100% covered and just got the typical varying overspray but I meant, why are some Plaza units plain and some painted and is there an educated guess on the percentages?
Quote from: J_Speegle on November 20, 2019, 04:22:06 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 20, 2019, 04:15:29 PM
It would seem to me that the vast majority (95%) were not painted?
If your asking about how much of the bottom (ignoring the body color over and direct spray) received black verse no black it depended on the hood. Most of the original cars I've had or seen were black 100% to 90% . Some examples had the black cleaned off (still visible in the edges of the grain while others appeared to have been missed but both the later were the minority by allot. When (vast majority) the stickers fall off the coat of black is very notable and easy to see
Just my experience talking about the Plaza examples
+1 . The ones that were painted black and from the evidence were unmolested were in the vast majority. Far fewer were bare fiberglass but they are out there.
I would have thought it was the opposite. I still haven't seen an original '67 with the black paint. I've ONLY seen the unpainted "ugly greenish" unfinished fiberglass. Maybe the original black was water color paint and washed off the first NE winter?
I'm ok with the black though. It looks SO much better...and I'm NOT going to paint over the Plaza stickers with it. You know how much those things cost? ::)
Quote from: J_Speegle on November 20, 2019, 03:40:36 PM
A few examples of the bottom of the hood as requested. Lot less of them since so many have been painted over or rattle canned black over the years. Again tried to stay with white for contrast purposes
On this one (blue car) it shows some overspray that gained access to the bottom surface through the hood scoop openings
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-201119152108.jpeg)
And others
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-201119153746.jpeg)
Basically new car
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-201119152159.jpeg)
Hope these help
That bottom pic is Terry Cristiafac's car. Tell me again what that coat hanger wired thing looped over the heater hose is for? I forgot that?
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 21, 2019, 01:02:50 PM
That bottom pic is Terry Cristiafac's car. Tell me again what that coat hanger wired thing looped over the heater hose is for? I forgot that?
It is vacuum tube that is part of the thermactor system.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 21, 2019, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on November 21, 2019, 01:02:50 PM
That bottom pic is Terry Cristiafac's car. Tell me again what that coat hanger wired thing looped over the heater hose is for? I forgot that?
It is vacuum tube that is part of the thermactor system.
Few! I don't need to worry about one then. :o
This pic:
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-201119153746.jpeg)
would indicate the front latch was installed after the hood was painted.
And that some of the color overspray should or could be seen on the metal catch portion fiberglassed into the hood by Plaza.
In this pic:
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-191119190003.jpeg)
it appears the latch catch is painted, but I don't think it was on there when SAI originally painted the lid. Probably some corrosion on the catch that makes it look white.
Quote from: Bossbill on November 21, 2019, 05:53:54 PM
In this pic:
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-191119190003.jpeg)
it appears the latch catch is painted, but I don't think it was on there when SAI originally painted the lid. Probably some corrosion on the catch that makes it look white.
Agree the latch was not on the trunk when painted - nor was the weatherstrip. What your seeing isn't white paint
Corrosion would explain the white-ish color on the catch.
Just trying to keep all of this straight prior to actually painting the car. Hopefully no more "life experiences" keep it from being painted this time!
Also keep in mind that there is a range of overspray coverage that is normally seen. For instance the white hood in the picture has a heavy amount of overspray compared to many and would be towards (not all of the way) the outside edge of the range. There is a lot of leeway that you have when trying to be historical correct in this instance. The main thing is to have a reasonable amount of overspray on the bottom based on how they were painted . For instance I envision them flat on a TV like tray stand when painted . I have not seen any wire hanging witness marks like seen on some regular Mustang hoods. The lacquer paint SA used did not take long to dry. While spraying the edges you are always are going to get overspray on the bottom side . If you want to be historical correct you will have a noticeable overspray on the bottom side of the hood and trunk lid. For those that think it is too messy and don't care about historical correctness in this instance then it is your car do as you want.
So from what I am gathering here, hood, anywhere tasteful, and the trunk, near the latch. OK, so are they also placed on the scoups? Where just inside the openings somewhere? I remember seeing them on my first Shelby and not paying any attention as to what they were and where they were. At 19 I may have thought they were something like an old "crane cams" sticker placed by the original owner.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on August 09, 2020, 08:09:16 AM
So from what I am gathering here, hood, anywhere tasteful, and the trunk, near the latch. OK, so are they also placed on the scoups? Where just inside the openings somewhere? I remember seeing them on my first Shelby and not paying any attention as to what they were and where they were. At 19 I may have thought they were something like an old "crane cams" sticker placed by the original owner.
I never heard mention of the scoops having the stickers.
I think that many got taken off when the underside of the hoods got repainted black. You need to consider how bad the over spray was in some cases and I wouldn't be surprised if some dealers repainted the black because of new owner complaints about it?
I think that the black essentially just washed off of the bottom because there was no primer used of the fiberglass underneath.
Professor Gaines is correct in that historically it should b a mess under there with the over spray, and disappearing black and painted over stickers. I can't in my heart do that or even conceive of concocting such a mess. Mine is just how it "should" have been even though not correct historically.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on August 09, 2020, 08:09:16 AM
So from what I am gathering here, hood, anywhere tasteful, and the trunk, near the latch. OK, so are they also placed on the scoups? Where just inside the openings somewhere? I remember seeing them on my first Shelby and not paying any attention as to what they were and where they were. At 19 I may have thought they were something like an old "crane cams" sticker placed by the original owner.
I have not come across any stickers inside the side scoops. I have not heard of any others finding them there ether.Maybe placed on the backside but most likely taken off if they were because of missing evidence of any there.