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Title: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 6s2020 on November 24, 2019, 01:35:32 AM
WTF, Mark must be throwing his dinner up at this.


https://www.facebook.com/Streetmusclemag/videos/583601469080590/UzpfSTUwNjQxNjA0OTM3MDg1OToxMTcxNDY1Njg5OTA4OTAw/
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: jerry merrill on November 24, 2019, 02:03:23 AM
I almost can not believe this to be true that someone would do something like this. Using his ridiculous logic why not restore it even further back, to molten metal that was delivered to Ford to be poured into sheet metal to build the cars origanally. Hopefully he will sell the car soon and it can be put back to as built by Shelby. This poor car has been through a lot with being restored to an R model (honest mistake) and now this?
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: pchmotoho on November 24, 2019, 03:15:43 AM
Just the other night while thumbing thru an old (best guess 78 79) SAAC magazine I saw  this car listed for sale for  around 12K.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: TA Coupe on November 24, 2019, 03:44:03 AM
Here is a link to Mark's website for those who may not know about it.

http://1965gt350mustang.com/index.html

    Roy
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: pchmotoho on November 24, 2019, 04:20:24 AM
I think it's cool as heck.  Outside of old black and white pictures  I've never seen a Shelby built just like it was when it left San Jose.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: gjz30075 on November 24, 2019, 05:52:04 AM
Well, they're not doing something they can't undo.   Near the end of the video, Nick mentions it'll be put back to its first Shelby
specs.   I imagine it'll be shown in this configuration for a while before going back to Shelby.  I'm sure Charles will be by
shortly to explain it all.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Coralsnake on November 24, 2019, 06:40:24 AM
It's awesome, restoration and judging are overated. Nice to see someone take some bold decisions rather than turn out another cookie cutter, to please others
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Shelby_r_b on November 24, 2019, 09:11:08 AM
Quote from: gjz30075 on November 24, 2019, 05:52:04 AM
Well, they're not doing something they can't undo.   Near the end of the video, Nick mentions it'll be put back to its first Shelby
specs.   I imagine it'll be shown in this configuration for a while before going back to Shelby.  I'm sure Charles will be by
shortly to explain it all.

This is correct. Charles said that this is temporary, and that it will be brought back fully to its Shelby specs. Again, the purpose was to display the car in the "as left San Jose" condition for this show. I think it's amazing, especially given they used all original parts for a display that will / would be temporary.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Jbarela on November 24, 2019, 09:27:24 AM
Beautiful restoration Charles!!
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: chris NOS on November 24, 2019, 09:39:48 AM
I can understand the idea , let's go a little more deep in the process , bring back the car to a san josé ford mustang delivered on day one de SA and start the transformation in a GT350.
OK ,  but  they welded/closed back the over ride cut of from the body , and they ll do it again after when transforming the k code mustang in the First GT350 , it means what was done in the 60's is gone , and it will have some new  work done in 2020 like if they would build a clone , for me it doesn't make sense to remove some original SA work , i would applaud if they put side by side 003 like it was restored by Mark,  a K code restored like the san josé mustang delivered to SA.
No alteration of what's been done by the SA crew on 003 ...
But it's his car , his money and some other can think differently ....
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: BGlover67 on November 24, 2019, 09:49:41 AM
I was there also, and agree with Ruben.  Considering the time constraint, it was a brilliant idea to display the car this way.  I highly doubt that Mark is "throwing up his dinner at this", and hopefully he will comment.  The new owner could have had the typical  'unveiling' of the car to big fanfare, but this display really educated the audience as to why 003 is so special (along with  002, and 001). 

Btw, the entire show was amazing, really should be on every car enthusiasts bucket list.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 24, 2019, 10:59:48 AM
Quote from: chris NOS on November 24, 2019, 09:39:48 AM
I can understand the idea , let's go a little more deep in the process , bring back the car to a san josé ford mustang delivered on day one de SA and start the transformation in a GT350.
OK ,  but  they welded/closed back the over ride cut of from the body , and they ll do it again after when transforming the k code mustang in the First GT350 , it means what was done in the 60's is gone , and it will have some new  work done in 2020 like if they would build a clone , for me it doesn't make sense to remove some original SA work , i would applaud if they put side by side 003 like it was restored by Mark,  a K code restored like the san josé mustang delivered to SA.
No alteration of what's been done by the SA crew on 003 ...
But it's his car , his money and some other can think differently ....
Yes the car will shortly be converted to full GT350 trim from my understanding. There were compromises to the all stock presentation and some of the things that SA did were not undone . Things like override mounts on the rear end tubes ,horn button hole on dash, package try tire hold down,rebound bracket relocation were all left intact. I believe the point of the exercise was to show what the care basically started out as and not to get rid of all evidence . Those are detail things that are easy to overlook anyway and don't spool the stock look to the public trying to be conveyed IMO. This is the first time I have seen anyone present the car prior to Shelby conversion let alone to this extreme fine detail degree. I congratulated Charles on getting it done this way given he got the car back as a painted bare shell the end of September.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 427heaven on November 24, 2019, 11:18:25 AM
One has to ask the question... Why would he do that? Answer = Because he can ;)
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Shelby_r_b on November 24, 2019, 11:27:08 AM
In all her beauty...
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Coralsnake on November 24, 2019, 11:56:28 AM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-241119115521.jpeg)
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Coralsnake on November 24, 2019, 12:00:36 PM
Quality is Coralsnake approved

There was another freshly restored car nearby. I will refrain from mentioning specifics, but it looked like a 1980s restoration. The restorer missed so many important details and had so much wrong you could only shake you head.

Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 24, 2019, 12:36:45 PM
Before seeing the pix of the car, I wondered why anyone would do this.

But after seeing the pix, and the very high quality of the restoration and presentation. I like it.

It is a one-of-a-kind take on a Shelby resto process.   

Now we can see what the cars were like as they rolled off the trucks at S-A.

Cool idea.



Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: J_Speegle on November 24, 2019, 01:35:50 PM
Up a little later in the day than the rest of you but I think the presentation and idea of "as delivered to SA" was a great idea. Been waiting for someone to present a car at that stage and follow it up with a "as delivered to the customer" stage. Wouldn't been really cool to have made the conversion to a completed Shelby at the show?  Would have been difficult to pull off the stripes but when someone figures out how to,  then we'll all be filming and watching.

Have known and seen the car during at least four ownerships. Current owner took the restoration process and presentation to a different level by thinking out of the box. Well executed and I like it.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Rickmustang on November 24, 2019, 01:37:49 PM
Nice battery.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 24, 2019, 01:56:01 PM
Back in the day, what did S-A do with all the Mustang emblems they removed? 

OK, one horse emblem was reused on the grille. 

I'm kind of surprised that the cars were delivered to S-A with emblems at all. (Holes in fenders.)
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Richstang on November 24, 2019, 02:10:38 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 24, 2019, 01:56:01 PM
Back in the day, what did S-A do with all the Mustang emblems they removed? 

OK, one horse emblem was reused on the grille.

I'm kind of surprised that they were delivered to S-A with emblems at all. (Holes in fenders.)

The majority of cars were not delivered with the emblems. 003 being one of the first few cars shipped to Venice, it may have had them.
The SVO (add/delete sheets for each DSO group) would list the details added or deleted from the SAI order.

Photos of the early car deliveries to Venice show they did not have the emblems.
The R model had a few less parts than production models.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 24, 2019, 02:12:59 PM
Thanks Rich,
I should've consulted those old photos, but was just looking at 003 and didn't think any further along the timeline.

Van
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: SCJSTU on November 24, 2019, 03:16:42 PM
NICE presentation......something different.........looks like will be put back as SA delivered later so no foul
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 69mach351w on November 24, 2019, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: 427heaven on November 24, 2019, 11:18:25 AM
One has to ask the question... Why would he do that? Answer = Because he can ;)
To go back-and-forth from pre Shelby to Mustang then back to Shelby later, the Man must have some DEEP pockets :o
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: J_Speegle on November 24, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on November 24, 2019, 02:12:59 PM
Thanks Rich,
I should've consulted those old photos, but was just looking at 003 and didn't think any further along the timeline.

Consider that 003 along with the other two cars were the first cars ordered under slightly different conditions, earlier and through different ordering documents so IMHO comparing them to the later cars might be misleading. Love the diapers installed on the cars on the top layer.

Rich - I also admired the original assembly line battery :)


Quote from: 69mach351w on November 24, 2019, 03:28:49 PM
To go back-and-forth from pre Shelby to Mustang then back to Shelby later, the Man must have some DEEP pockets :o

Definitely shows a commitment to the car, the restoration and the history of the car
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 24, 2019, 03:55:38 PM
Quote from: 69mach351w on November 24, 2019, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: 427heaven on November 24, 2019, 11:18:25 AM
One has to ask the question... Why would he do that? Answer = Because he can ;)
To go back-and-forth from pre Shelby to Mustang then back to Shelby later, the Man must have some DEEP pockets :o
Of course your right but keep in mind that conversion from this stock point to what SA ended up doing will take minimal time and effort in comparison. ;)
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 6s2020 on November 24, 2019, 06:18:45 PM

Some great points and counter points made, that clears it up a little more.

I guess, they just choose to "show" it part way through its journey to becoming a GT350

Still not sure it was worth the trouble, after all it's not hard to imagine a white non GT  Kcode with steel wheels and missing some parts.

Plus as stated, they compromised on that goal.

To each their own.





Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 6s2020 on November 24, 2019, 06:25:07 PM

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"It's awesome, restoration and judging are overated. Nice to see someone take some bold decisions rather than turn out another cookie cutter, to please others"
« Last Edit: Today at 12:05:01 PM by Coralsnake »

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Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: acman63 on November 24, 2019, 07:08:27 PM
003 received  the Pinnacle Gold Award at MCACN   Congrats to Nick and Charles
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: BGlover67 on November 24, 2019, 07:49:50 PM
Quote from: acman63 on November 24, 2019, 07:08:27 PM
003 received  the Pinnacle Gold Award at MCACN   Congrats to Nick and Charles

Yes, Congrats to Charles, Jason who painted it and to all the consultants involved.  If this car isn't 'Shelby Royalty' than I don't know what is.  Such an important car to the evolution of the marque.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 6s1640 on November 24, 2019, 09:38:54 PM
Hi all,

One thing that was lost in this re-restoration, was the fact 002 and 003 were painted from the same batch of paint during their restoration in preparation for the 50th Anniversary of the Mustang showings.  This was done so they would be an exact match at all the shows.  This is also reflects the likelihood San Jose painted both cars in series with the same batch of paint.  Looks like 002 will need to be re-restored and 003 again with the same batch of paint to match the San Jose build, which of course is crazy.

The matching batch of paint I thought was very cool that John and Mark chose for their respective car restorations.  That is now lost.

Cory
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: CharlesTurner on November 24, 2019, 09:54:15 PM
Quote from: 6s2020 on November 24, 2019, 06:18:45 PM
I guess, they just choose to "show" it part way through its journey to becoming a GT350

Still not sure it was worth the trouble, after all it's not hard to imagine a white non GT  Kcode with steel wheels and missing some parts.

That's more or less how things worked out.  The original plan was to address a list of improvements to the car, but during some disassembly, it became evident that a total strip/repaint was the only way to go.  The new owner had really wanted to take the car to SAAC/MCA/MCACN this year, but we knew there was no way to make SAAC/MCA, so we set our sights on getting it to MCACN.  In conversations, the idea of taking it there as a Mustang came up and we agreed that would be the goal.  I would have put the car back close to a complete Mustang anyway, so it wasn't too much more work to add parts like exhaust, shocks, etc...

It was expected that there would be mixed reactions to this decision, but the feedback received at MCACN was extremely positive.  Not one person questioned 'why?'

It was a tremendous effort to get this car to MCACN.  I didn't receive the car back from Jason Billups until Sept 26th.  It was a bare shell needing complete reassembly.  A San Jose coupe with a scheduled build date 12 days before 003 had been acquired, which was delivered at the same time.  There were many parts/fasteners used from that car, requiring additional restoration work.

Could not have done this without the help of Jim Cowles, who did an amazing job on various parts, including rotors/calipers/prop valve, etc...  Marcus Anghel was key in restoring the original control arms from the coupe, they were in amazing condition and the boots were actually good enough to re-use. 

The next step will be to do the prototype conversion, just like Mark H did before.  A high percentage of the Shelby-specific parts are ready to go.  We plan to do this sometime in the Spring, maybe April/May.  Photographic/video documentation will be done.  We are also hoping to involve ex-SA employees to be there when the conversion is done.  It's going to be a great experience for all.  The car will then go to SAAC/MCA and then back to MCACN next year as a GT350.

Please understand that the owner and myself have deep respect/admiration for what Mark Hovander did during his ownership of 003.  That will never be diminished and it is only because of Mark that we know the true history of 003. 
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: CharlesTurner on November 24, 2019, 10:08:47 PM
Quote from: 6s1640 on November 24, 2019, 09:38:54 PM
One thing that was lost in this re-restoration, was the fact 002 and 003 were painted from the same batch of paint during their restoration in preparation for the 50th Anniversary of the Mustang showings.  This was done so they would be an exact match at all the shows.  This is also reflects the likelihood San Jose painted both cars in series with the same batch of paint.  Looks like 002 will need to be re-restored and 003 again with the same batch of paint to match the San Jose build, which of course is crazy.

The matching batch of paint I thought was very cool that John and Mark chose for their respective car restorations.  That is now lost.

Jason Billups matched the paint exactly and the car has correct orange peel now.  Jason and his team did an amazing job.  Would suggest to come to SAAC next year and see it in person.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 6s2020 on November 24, 2019, 10:11:49 PM
^^^^^^^
Charles,

After re watching the video and re reading this thread , i get the theory and the goals.

No doubt the work is top notch and research well done.

Good luck with  her journey and enjoy.

Cheers



Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 24, 2019, 10:46:40 PM
C'mon guys after all Shelby's are just day 2 Mustangs.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 6s1640 on November 24, 2019, 11:44:16 PM
Quote from: CharlesTurner on November 24, 2019, 10:08:47 PM
Quote from: 6s1640 on November 24, 2019, 09:38:54 PM
One thing that was lost in this re-restoration, was the fact 002 and 003 were painted from the same batch of paint during their restoration in preparation for the 50th Anniversary of the Mustang showings.  This was done so they would be an exact match at all the shows.  This is also reflects the likelihood San Jose painted both cars in series with the same batch of paint.  Looks like 002 will need to be re-restored and 003 again with the same batch of paint to match the San Jose build, which of course is crazy.

The matching batch of paint I thought was very cool that John and Mark chose for their respective car restorations.  That is now lost.

Jason Billups matched the paint exactly and the car has correct orange peel now.  Jason and his team did an amazing job.  Would suggest to come to SAAC next year and see it in person.

Hi Charles,  No doubt, the paint job is beautiful.  They did a fantastic job.

Take care

Cory
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 25, 2019, 12:23:00 AM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on November 24, 2019, 10:46:40 PM
C'mon guys after all Shelby's are just day 2 Mustangs.

That is brilliant! Love it!!
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: GT350Lad on November 25, 2019, 03:00:02 AM
It is Brilliant Charles, well done.
Looking forward to seeing it in the flesh

Cheers
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 427heaven on November 25, 2019, 09:11:44 AM
The question still remains why? Why would a trailer queen car need a re-restoration, seemingly a stunner, it wouldn't need any more help would it? Maybe with a fresh restoration with the same group of people that did the green hornet with still photos and videos of the restoration a possible new owner would get to see what went into its restoration helping its sale price? Hats off to all those involved as they are all at the top of their game. Does this mean that its other two siblings need a complete redo as well to keep their value up. who would have ever dreamed what a stir a few old race cars would cause. :)
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: KR Convertible on November 25, 2019, 10:12:46 AM
Is it documented how SA filled the emblem holes in the fenders?  How will this be done in phase 2?
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: CharlesTurner on November 25, 2019, 10:16:05 AM
Quote from: KR Convertible on November 25, 2019, 10:12:46 AM
Is it documented how SA filled the emblem holes in the fenders?  How will this be done in phase 2?

002 still had its original fenders and the filled holes could be seen from the back side.  There are also several photos of 002 during testing that show the emblems/holes.

We plan to braze the holes shut and re-spray the bottom of the fenders like would have originally been done.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: CharlesTurner on November 25, 2019, 10:27:27 AM
Quote from: 427heaven on November 25, 2019, 09:11:44 AM
The question still remains why? Why would a trailer queen car need a re-restoration, seemingly a stunner, it wouldn't need any more help would it? Maybe with a fresh restoration with the same group of people that did the green hornet with still photos and videos of the restoration a possible new owner would get to see what went into its restoration helping its sale price? Hats off to all those involved as they are all at the top of their game. Does this mean that its other two siblings need a complete redo as well to keep their value up. who would have ever dreamed what a stir a few old race cars would cause. :)

If we went into detail on all the 'whys', it would be like airing dirty laundry and I have way too much respect for all those involved previously with the car to do that.  Suffice to say that there were areas that needed improvement, with the biggest being the absence of orange peel in the paint.

This had nothing to do with increasing value/attention, it was all about making the car the best it could be and the most historically accurate.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 2112 on November 25, 2019, 11:36:35 AM
Not sure I understand the confusion.

Sounds like they are shooting for the highest accuracy and taking the car thru the same build process it went thru originally back 55 years ago.

They are just sharing the process with the public.

I couldn't do this so I am appreciative that they chose to make the process public. I would love to see the same done for a '67.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: tesgt350 on November 25, 2019, 11:49:22 AM
This looks like a great way to make a Movie called, "The Making of a Shelby".  Especially with the release of the latest Shelby Movie out.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 6s1640 on November 25, 2019, 12:24:00 PM
Quote from: tesgt350 on November 25, 2019, 11:49:22 AM
This looks like a great way to make a Movie called, "The Making of a Shelby".  Especially with the release of the latest Shelby Movie out.

Hi Charles,

Along this theme, you could build a display of all the modification pieces next to the car, similar to the magazine article back in the day, showing what parts will make up the 65 GT350.  IIRC, the article was in Road & Track.  Have you seen that image?  Very cool.  I will try to find if someone else does not beat me.

Take care

Cory
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: J_Speegle on November 25, 2019, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: 6s1640 on November 25, 2019, 12:24:00 PM
Along this theme, you could build a display of all the modification pieces next to the car, similar to the magazine article back in the day, showing what parts will make up the 65 GT350.  IIRC, the article was in Road & Track.  Have you seen that image?  Very cool.  I will try to find if someone else does not beat me.

This one Cory?

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-251119131948.jpeg)
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 6s1640 on November 25, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: J_Speegle on November 25, 2019, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: 6s1640 on November 25, 2019, 12:24:00 PM
Along this theme, you could build a display of all the modification pieces next to the car, similar to the magazine article back in the day, showing what parts will make up the 65 GT350.  IIRC, the article was in Road & Track.  Have you seen that image?  Very cool.  I will try to find if someone else does not beat me.

This one Cory?

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-251119131948.jpeg)

Hi Jeff,  You are on the right track.  The image I remember was all the pieces laid out on the ground in their approximate location to the car.  Mark Hovander made an attempt years ago to recreate with 5S284 when it was all apart at the Bellevue Community College (at the time, now a university) Mustang Round Up.  I will have to look for the image tonight.

Take care

Cory
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: silverton_ford on November 25, 2019, 02:19:59 PM
Quote from: 6s1640 on November 25, 2019, 02:17:35 PM

Hi Jeff,  You are on the right track.  The image I remember was all the pieces laid out on the ground in their approximate location to the car.  Mark Hovander made an attempt years ago to recreate with 5S284 when it was all apart at the Bellevue Community College (at the time, now a university) Mustang Round Up.  I will have to look for the image tonight.

Take care

Cory

Cory, some of those photos are on the WASAAC page.   http://wasaac.org/gallery/events/roundup.html (http://wasaac.org/gallery/events/roundup.html)
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: CharlesTurner on November 25, 2019, 02:23:08 PM
We will make it a point to lay out the parts the same, will be really cool to recreate that!
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Richstang on November 25, 2019, 02:37:26 PM
That would be really nice to see with the car in the SJ build layout.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: CharlesTurner on November 25, 2019, 02:43:23 PM
Quote from: Richstang on November 25, 2019, 02:37:26 PM
That would be really nice to see with the car in the SJ build layout.

We'll do it just like that!
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on November 25, 2019, 02:54:48 PM
As an aside, I'm looking but can't find the driveshaft loop. Did they leave it out of the picture or was it added after the picture was taken?
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: 6s1640 on November 25, 2019, 03:04:44 PM
Quote from: Richstang on November 25, 2019, 02:37:26 PM
That would be really nice to see with the car in the SJ build layout.

Hi Richstang,  That's it.  Was it Road and Track?

Thanks for finding.

Cory
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: J_Speegle on November 25, 2019, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: 6s1640 on November 25, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
Hi Jeff,  You are on the right track.  The image I remember was all the pieces laid out on the ground in their approximate location to the car.  Mark Hovander made an attempt years ago to recreate with 5S284 when it was all apart at the Bellevue Community College (at the time, now a university) Mustang Round Up.  I will have to look for the image tonight.

We discussed at one point maybe using one of the plastic fake engine blocks to mock up the engine related parts and hold them for a display. Sure Nick and Charles will figure out how best to use this opportunity (From factory Ford configuration to Shelby) to best highlight the parts and process. Would normally say you only get to make the choices once but as this car and owners have displayed sometimes it more than a single opportunity. 
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Richstang on November 25, 2019, 09:16:34 PM
Quote from: 6s1640 on November 25, 2019, 03:04:44 PM
Quote from: Richstang on November 25, 2019, 02:37:26 PM
That would be really nice to see with the car in the SJ build layout.

Hi Richstang,  That's it.  Was it Road and Track?

Thanks for finding.

Cory

Took me a while to find the source. (I did not have the magazine.) That small photo of the '65 parts layout was in the August '65 Hot Rod issue.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Greg on November 25, 2019, 09:47:50 PM
I thought SA also changed the transmission for a T10M, did Ford do that?
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: SFM5S000 on November 25, 2019, 09:52:23 PM
There's actually an error in the parts layout (previous reply #49) in Richstang's attached photo. If you look closely you'll notice two (2) passenger side Override Traction Bar Covers. That was probably an oversite when the pulled the components together for the photo. Leave it to me to catch that one.
Hopefully when Charles attempts to reproduce the image he does it correctly. Or would it be correct to do it incorrectly based on the original photo?


Cheers
~Earl J
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: CharlesTurner on November 25, 2019, 10:28:23 PM
003 didn't have traction bar covers, just riveted inner tube around the bars.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: texas swede on November 26, 2019, 07:45:22 AM
To me it's more a philosophical question, what is a Shelby supposed to be:
A car when it left the Ford San Jose factory as basically all other HiPo 1965 FB's or
when it left the Shelby American factory. Personally, I think it's a waste of time and
money to do this but on the other hand a person can do whatever he likes with his own car.
Texas Swede
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: SFM5S000 on November 26, 2019, 08:16:29 AM
Quote from: CharlesTurner on November 25, 2019, 10:28:23 PM
003 didn't have traction bar covers, just riveted inner tube around the bars.

My previous reply was only referring to the vintage image in reply #49, that there's a parts error in the old image. Not saying 003 had override covers or not that's all.

~E
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: FL SAAC on November 26, 2019, 08:23:57 AM
Good grief Charlie Brown !

The answer is truly simple, because he can and he wants to give those who are interested the opportunity to see the first mustang shelby in its true state.

I believe it was stated that it will be back to its shelby status soon

Then it will be one of the 500+ ( they all look the same to me and 99% of the public) cars in white and blue...let the stone flinging begin !
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: BGlover67 on November 26, 2019, 08:25:24 AM
Whether you are for the way they displayed the car or against it, you have to admit that it created much more buzz presenting it this way then if they had just completed the car and put it on display in the typical manner.   So from that perspective it was a home run.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: acman63 on November 26, 2019, 09:39:40 AM
This was a very educational way to display the car.  Many people that have seen these cars  for 50 plus years now know what it took to modify the cars to the Shelby spec.    This car was different as it wasn't a knockdown car that had a lot of parts deleted  that were going to be changed . They didn't delete anything that would hamper the car being able to drive.   All the parts have been restored and detailed and are ready to go on when the call is made to do such. Hopefully it will be shown with all the parts displayed at least once.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Coralsnake on November 26, 2019, 10:27:09 AM
I cant wait for other years to follow suit.

I would love to see a 1968...
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 26, 2019, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 26, 2019, 10:27:09 AM
I cant wait for other years to follow suit.

I would love to see a 1968...

^^^
+1
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: FL SAAC on November 26, 2019, 06:35:39 PM
+ 1 winner !

Quote from: BGlover67 on November 26, 2019, 08:25:24 AM
Whether you are for the way they displayed the car or against it, you have to admit that it created much more buzz presenting it this way then if they had just completed the car and put it on display in the typical manner.   So from that perspective it was a home run.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: FL SAAC on November 26, 2019, 06:36:25 PM
+ 1 Winning

Quote from: acman63 on November 26, 2019, 09:39:40 AM
This was a very educational way to display the car.  Many people that have seen these cars  for 50 plus years now know what it took to modify the cars to the Shelby spec.    This car was different as it wasn't a knockdown car that had a lot of parts deleted  that were going to be changed . They didn't delete anything that would hamper the car being able to drive.   All the parts have been restored and detailed and are ready to go on when the call is made to do such. Hopefully it will be shown with all the parts displayed at least once.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: J_Speegle on November 26, 2019, 06:45:51 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 26, 2019, 10:27:09 AM
I cant wait for other years to follow suit.

I would love to see a 1968...

Thought it would be a possibility for Little Red or to do a matching "as delivered from Ford" coupe for a side by side to compare one with the other.  ::)
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: OR1 on January 29, 2020, 10:32:47 PM
I guess I should give you all some thoughts on 003 and what we're doing. But before I do, I need to tell you that I love this car. I feel so fortunate to have been able to work with Mark in obtaining it. Truth is, and I've toid Mark this many times, it will always be his car. All I've ever wanted is to be a good custodian for it. And I've always thought that, as the first one, it deserved to be the best. Everything we do will be towards that goal. I love Mark like a brother. I want him to respect what we're doing. Certainly, without him and all the amazing time and effort he put into researching the history we wouldn't know nearly as much about not only 003, but about all the early cars and the overall history of the GT350s. I have been very fortunate to have had so much support and guidance from members (I will probably leave somebody out, sorry for that). John Brown, Craig Conley, Tony Conover, Jim Cowles, Vern Estes, Pete Geisler, Brant Halterman, Howard Pardee (of course), Bob Perkins, Bob Gaines, Jeff Speegle, Jim Wicks, and more have been so open and giving with their knowledge. But mostly, Charles Turner has been the guiding light for keeping my dream moving forward. Lady year he caught me off guard with the concept of returning 003 to the (nearly) exact condition with which it was delivered to SA. After a lot of thought, I agreed that it was a valid step to our ultimate goal - that was to not only make 003 the very best, but to help all of the Shelby world to know as much about these cars as possible. That is what we will continue to do. We want this car to be out there for you. To me, that's what it's all about. Thanks so much to all of you. Nick S.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: FL SAAC on January 29, 2020, 10:44:05 PM
+ 1

Quote from: OR1 on January 29, 2020, 10:32:47 PM
I guess I should give you all some thoughts on 003 and what we're doing. But before I do, I need to tell you that I love this car. I feel so fortunate to have been able to work with Mark in obtaining it. Truth is, and I've toid Mark this many times, it will always be his car. All I've ever wanted is to be a good custodian for it. And I've always thought that, as the first one, it deserved to be the best. Everything we do will be towards that goal. I love Mark like a brother. I want him to respect what we're doing. Certainly, without him and all the amazing time and effort he put into researching the history we wouldn't know nearly as much about not only 003, but about all the early cars and the overall history of the GT350s. I have been very fortunate to have had so much support and guidance from members (I will probably leave somebody out, sorry for that). John Brown, Craig Conley, Tony Conover, Jim Cowles, Vern Estes, Pete Geisler, Brant Halterman, Howard Pardee (of course), Bob Perkins, Bob Gaines, Jeff Speegle, Jim Wicks, and more have been so open and giving with their knowledge. But mostly, Charles Turner has been the guiding light for keeping my dream moving forward. Lady year he caught me off guard with the concept of returning 003 to the (nearly) exact condition with which it was delivered to SA. After a lot of thought, I agreed that it was a valid step to our ultimate goal - that was to not only make 003 the very best, but to help all of the Shelby world to know as much about these cars as possible. That is what we will continue to do. We want this car to be out there for you. To me, that's what it's all about. Thanks so much to all of you. Nick S.
Title: Re: Restoring a Shelby (003) as a Mustang....Why?
Post by: Bossbill on January 30, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on November 26, 2019, 10:27:09 AM
I cant wait for other years to follow suit.

I would love to see a 1968...

Just for fun I took my 67 to Roundup as a stripped, right down to the unibody shell, in gray primer. This was over 10 years ago.
The only part Shelby in this configuration was the rollbar, side quarter holes and brake duct holes.  No other parts were displayed.
A lot of people thought this as an interesting way to display a Shelby.