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Title: Are they original cragar rims ?
Post by: joephil on December 06, 2019, 05:04:17 PM
Hello,
I would like to know if these rims are original or reproductions.

Thanks
Title: Re: Are they original cragar rims ?
Post by: Rickmustang on December 06, 2019, 05:08:51 PM
I believe originals were not DOT stamped. So the rims are reproduction but the centers may be original
Title: Re: Are they original cragar rims ?
Post by: 6s1640 on December 06, 2019, 05:18:28 PM
Also, originals to not have the safety bead.   Re-pops and many restored Cragars have the safety bead.

I remember reading an old SOA or Marque news letter to install trim rings to cover up the corrosion on the rims.  I don't recall which OEM trim ring was for the best fit.

Cory
Title: Re: Are they original cragar rims ?
Post by: gt350hr on December 06, 2019, 05:36:53 PM
+2 Repops , NO safety bead on originals OR DOT cert. VERY difficult to get "wheel hoops" (outers) these days without the safety bead.
Title: Re: Are they original cragar rims ?
Post by: joephil on December 06, 2019, 05:50:42 PM
Thank you very much for your quick and accurate answers.  ;)
Title: Re: Are they original cragar rims ?
Post by: 6s1640 on December 06, 2019, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: gt350hr on December 06, 2019, 05:36:53 PM
+2 Repops , NO safety bead on originals OR DOT cert. VERY difficult to get "wheel hoops" (outers) these days without the safety bead.

Hi Randy,

So how did Wheels Vintiques make the 66 GT350H Hertz Magnum 500? I believe the wheels have the safety bead visible only with no tire.  The outside looks just like the original Hertz Magnum 500.  Does that sound right?

Cory
Title: Re: Are they original cragar rims ?
Post by: camp upshur on December 06, 2019, 08:02:30 PM

Would anybody, by chance, have a pic of an original Crager without the the safety beadlock?
Thanks
Title: Re: Are they original cragar rims ?
Post by: Brant on December 06, 2019, 10:20:59 PM
Quote from: camp upshur on December 06, 2019, 08:02:30 PM

Would anybody, by chance, have a pic of an original Crager without the the safety beadlock?
Thanks

Here you go! Second picture shows an original rim.

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Title: Re: Are they original cragar rims ?
Post by: camp upshur on December 07, 2019, 01:05:31 AM

Thank you Brant.
What about the facing side per chance?
I've got a Carryover in the shop with presumably original wheels.
The inside is smooth w/o a beadlock, however the facing side is a countoured beadlock.

Pics below show:
- the Carryover rim which is almost too shiney to discern;
- a wheel depiction showing similar beadlock contouring on the  wheel face side to the Carryover rim; and
- a 1964 Crager S/S. This early Crager clearly is without beading/ contouring on the inside nor the outside.

Do original Shelby Cragers have a contoured safety beadlock on the facing side w/o an inside safety bead unlike the early Crager S/S which has neither?

Title: Re: Are they original cragar rims ?
Post by: gt350hr on December 10, 2019, 11:03:33 AM
Quote from: 6s1640 on December 06, 2019, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: gt350hr on December 06, 2019, 05:36:53 PM
+2 Repops , NO safety bead on originals OR DOT cert. VERY difficult to get "wheel hoops" (outers) these days without the safety bead.

Hi Randy,

So how did Wheels Vintiques make the 66 GT350H Hertz Magnum 500? I believe the wheels have the safety bead visible only with no tire.  The outside looks just like the original Hertz Magnum 500.  Does that sound right?

Cory

      Corey ,
           IMHO a company would have to have the outers "made" and with the understanding that they would be used in an "off highway" application. All current "new" wheel manufacturers MUST have safety beads per federal law to be used on the street.
     Randy