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Looks like the car above. Reward paid if I purchase the car.
Pete I seen 0002 3 years ago across the pond took many photos had to take a ferry to an island to see it in Norway.
Close but no cigar, is that a silver jade convertible?
Im think 4 might be overseas as well
yep gt 350 vert
Quote from: Special Ed on December 08, 2019, 06:19:56 PM
Pete I seen 0002 3 years ago across the pond took many photos had to take a ferry to an island to see it in Norway.
Not an island, but we had to take a ferry back from the West side to the East side of the Oslo fjord! ;-)
Car is still there. In fact, does not think it has been out of the garage in the last 3 years.
Number 2 is the car in the Ford videos
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fzTpCEP82M
Note the 0002 vert in that video interior black seats with white door panels like the photos in design studio. The 69 convertibles were only being offered with white interior at first then sometime in jan #621 was first 69 vert to have black interior after probly looseing sales ford started offering both black and white interiors on the verts.
Quote from: Special Ed on December 09, 2019, 11:00:24 AM
Note the 0002 vert in that video interior black seats with white door panels like the photos in design studio. The 69 convertibles were only being offered with white interior at first then sometime in jan #621 was first 69 vert to have black interior after probly looseing sales ford started offering both black and white interiors on the verts.
Pics taken some years ago.
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 08, 2019, 06:22:42 PM
Close but no cigar, is that a silver jade convertible?
Im think 4 might be overseas as well
PM sendt
Thank you sir
Lets find this car....
John may know as he took me to 0002 and he knows of many muscle cars across the pond and he has a VERY rare car a 70 428 cj vert pace car he is restoring in a cave that he took me too thats full of cars. It was the coolest shop I ever been in.
Talking to him
Hello
Could 0002 have a 351 cleveland engine from the factory?. I had ore still have recipt from the ovehaul on this cars engine when it was imported to Norway from Sweden i the 80s.On the recipt it said cleveland /boss engine. The overhaul was done in Norway.
Tor
Quote from: Tor on December 15, 2019, 06:15:02 AM
Hello
Could 0002 have a 351 cleveland engine from the factory?. I had ore still have recipt from the ovehaul on this cars engine when it was imported to Norway from Sweden i the 80s.On the recipt it said cleveland /boss engine. The overhaul was done in Norway.
Tor
Tor
Not possible. Has information that the original 351 W is/was in Norway.
John
No factory documents show a Cleveland for that car
Ok,I was wrong here,I thought if it was engineering car it could be another type of engine in it,but there was a cleveland type in the car sometime in Norway.
John, jeg mener og huske at det var firmaet som er i slekt med en av guttaboys som stod for ovehalingen.
Tor
What about that 69 Shelby poster showing 351-4v anybody know the story behind that poster?
Quote from: Tor on December 15, 2019, 02:05:55 PM
Ok,I was wrong here,I thought if it was engineering car it could be another type of engine in it,but there was a cleveland type in the car sometime in Norway.
John, jeg mener og huske at det var firmaet som er i slekt med en av guttaboys som stod for ovehalingen.
Tor
Tor
Send meg en mail med opplysningene.
John
I seem to remember a previous mention of "Shelby Engineering" considering a Cleveland for their production. It was only a 25hp increase and it was dismissed as a result.
Doesn't that information come from the "minutes of the meetings" and wasn't it said that two cars were tested?
The point of the "Engineering cars" was to try or test proposals and to say that they were only "built" one way is a contradiction to the reality since you have to say how it "existed" on a specific date such as the EFI?
They did use Cleveland motors in some engineering cars.
The conversation was specific to serial number 2
Performance was not the only consideration. Emmisions were also part of the equation
0004 is #2? This is a confusing discussion.
Ed managed to change the conversation in the early reply
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 16, 2019, 08:24:47 AM
Ed managed to change the conversation in the early reply
Is he confusing in person too?
No, but he is special
Maybe he's a genius and that's why no one else knows what he is talking about?
Then there are a lot of genius's on the forum
;D
By me mentioning 0002 in Norway got john b. and tor looking for 0004 as when u are looking for a certain car u need help from all over the world and the few Shelby people outside of north America know where these cars are in other countries across the pond. I went to Alaska last summer to buy a Shelby and talked to 3 ford guys and they knew where all the shelbys were in Alaska and Yukon.
+ 1
Correct, there is a plethora of genius and experts.
That is what makes this the greatest vintage Shelby site
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 16, 2019, 10:11:02 AM
Then there are a lot of genius's on the forum
;D
Pete,
surely someone in this article knows of the car......
http://www.mustangandfords.com/events/1908-mustangs-of-norway
Quote from: SCJSTU on December 16, 2019, 03:53:11 PM
Pete,
surely someone in this article knows of the car......
http://www.mustangandfords.com/events/1908-mustangs-of-norway
If car #4 was in Norway, I would know about it.
Lots of familiar cars and people in the link. If you need/want information about ANY car in the link, let me know!
John
Thanks John
John,
I am always amazed at who and what all you know!
You know me from the 428 cobra jet site
Quote from: SCJSTU on December 16, 2019, 09:06:01 PM
John,
I am always amazed at who and what all you know!
You know me from the 428 cobra jet site
Stuart
It does help that I have had old American cars for 40 + years, and Mustangs for 30+ years!
It also helps that Norway is a small country.
Thanks
John
Quote from: JohnB on December 17, 2019, 02:37:37 AM
Quote from: SCJSTU on December 16, 2019, 09:06:01 PM
John,
I am always amazed at who and what all you know!
You know me from the 428 cobra jet site
Stuart
It does help that I have had old American cars for 40 + years, and Mustangs for 30+ years!
It also helps that Norway is a small country.
Thanks
John
John my 70 GT350 vert originally was sold by DuBois in Belgium. Then went to France and I got it in 1985. I had email conversations with Claude many years ago and his memory failed him on what happened to the paperwork of the cars he sold over there. Do you know if any paperwork has surfaced on these cars? Have you seen any 70 Shelbys with a FIBERGLASS front spoiler. Mine had one that looked to have 90,000 kilometers of road rash on it when I bought the car in 1985 and only had holes in the valance for that spoiler. Nobody ever repoed a fiberglass front spoiler to my knowledge and I heard of possibly one other car brought back had one on it also that. Thanks for all your work over there on these cars. Gary
Gary...
I have a 70 GT 350 convertible..
I'll have to check the spoiler.
It went to Spain originally
Bret
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 26, 2019, 08:59:04 AM
Quote from: JohnB on December 17, 2019, 02:37:37 AM
Quote from: SCJSTU on December 16, 2019, 09:06:01 PM
John,
I am always amazed at who and what all you know!
You know me from the 428 cobra jet site
Stuart
It does help that I have had old American cars for 40 + years, and Mustangs for 30+ years!
It also helps that Norway is a small country.
Thanks
John
John my 70 GT350 vert originally was sold by DuBois in Belgium. Then went to France and I got it in 1985. I had email conversations with Claude many years ago and his memory failed him on what happened to the paperwork of the cars he sold over there. Do you know if any paperwork has surfaced on these cars? Have you seen any 70 Shelbys with a FIBERGLASS front spoiler. Mine had one that looked to have 90,000 kilometers of road rash on it when I bought the car in 1985 and only had holes in the valance for that spoiler. Nobody ever repoed a fiberglass front spoiler to my knowledge and I heard of possibly one other car brought back had one on it also that. Thanks for all your work over there on these cars. Gary
Gary
Do not remember any paperwork, but would ask around.
If I have seen a 70 Shelby with a fiberglass front spoiler, I would have thought it was a repro. Would ask a friend with a original export Shelby.
John
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 26, 2019, 08:59:04 AM
Quote from: JohnB on December 17, 2019, 02:37:37 AM
Quote from: SCJSTU on December 16, 2019, 09:06:01 PM
John,
I am always amazed at who and what all you know!
You know me from the 428 cobra jet site
Stuart
It does help that I have had old American cars for 40 + years, and Mustangs for 30+ years!
It also helps that Norway is a small country.
Thanks
John
John my 70 GT350 vert originally was sold by DuBois in Belgium. Then went to France and I got it in 1985. I had email conversations with Claude many years ago and his memory failed him on what happened to the paperwork of the cars he sold over there. Do you know if any paperwork has surfaced on these cars? Have you seen any 70 Shelbys with a FIBERGLASS front spoiler. Mine had one that looked to have 90,000 kilometers of road rash on it when I bought the car in 1985 and only had holes in the valance for that spoiler. Nobody ever repoed a fiberglass front spoiler to my knowledge and I heard of possibly one other car brought back had one on it also that. Thanks for all your work over there on these cars. Gary
Gary , I am not sure why you think no repro fiberglass front spoilers were ever made. The after market spoilers back in the day were all made of fiberglass. MIER Racing fiberglass parts is at least one company that comes to mind. They were one of the companies that were making them in the 70's. All fiberglass was the cheapest way to make them in smaller numbers compared to a injection mold.They were like that for years.They didn't work out well because they didn't flex when coming in contact with a curb and cracked. It wasn't until about 25 years or so ago that the aftermarket stated making them out of more flexible plastic (but stiffer then original) and not until about 15 years or so ago that Pug Ford made them out of the softer plastic like original. I can only speculate on if your front valance had been replaced or not to explain the hole pattern but just addressing the fact the the fiberglass aftermarket spoiler was all you could get when the Ford ones were obsoleted. I hope you find a explanation to your satisfaction one way or the other so that you don't have to wonder.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 26, 2019, 08:59:04 AM
Quote from: JohnB on December 17, 2019, 02:37:37 AM
Quote from: SCJSTU on December 16, 2019, 09:06:01 PM
John,
I am always amazed at who and what all you know!
You know me from the 428 cobra jet site
Stuart
It does help that I have had old American cars for 40 + years, and Mustangs for 30+ years!
It also helps that Norway is a small country.
Thanks
John
John my 70 GT350 vert originally was sold by DuBois in Belgium. Then went to France and I got it in 1985. I had email conversations with Claude many years ago and his memory failed him on what happened to the paperwork of the cars he sold over there. Do you know if any paperwork has surfaced on these cars? Have you seen any 70 Shelbys with a FIBERGLASS front spoiler. Mine had one that looked to have 90,000 kilometers of road rash on it when I bought the car in 1985 and only had holes in the valance for that spoiler. Nobody ever repoed a fiberglass front spoiler to my knowledge and I heard of possibly one other car brought back had one on it also that. Thanks for all your work over there on these cars. Gary
Gary
A friend has this frontspoiler from his Export Shelby. Was on it when he bought it many years ago. Most likely an early repro.
John
Just remember front spoilers were shipped in the car and dealer installed pre-delivery and many times stolen or installed on another car in the lot if that's what it took to make a deal. I have seen and had several boss mustangs that were original paint that never had the spoiler installed and some owners never wanted it installed. If u had to haul a car or pull a car out of a ditch or stuck in snow the front spoiler would get damaged from chain or rope when trying to hook on to the car and those old wreckers would damage front spoilers too.
I remember contacting Rick Parker many years ago when he had an export 70 GT350 and he thought his did have glass one on it. He was going to check it out as it wasn't in his shop at the time .Never got an answer. Like I said I believe-reproduction or not-my car got a fiberglass one on it when it was new or close to it or someone went to work to make sure the fiberglass one was installed in the same exact holes as the plastic one and from my experience the variances as to how one was installed could vary greatly. Pics of my car very early in it's life show a front spoiler so doubt it was delivered without one on it. When the valance was stripped along with the fenders no other holes were found in my valance or fenders. I am wondering if the export cars got a glass one made over there for what ever reason(stolen or not). I'm sure it is a mystery that will never be solved as to when my car got a glass one which was damaged and repaired at one time and looked like it had 90K Kilos of road rash on it. Yeah, I got a plastic one on my car now. :). Gary
A good way to tell an original spoiler came with N marked sunken head slip washer bolts and shoulder washer nuts black oxide plated with the 70 Shelby spoiler instructions paper. I made copies of my RARE original 70 spoiler instructions paper and supplied the concours correct N bolts and nuts with the latest improved 70 Shelby spoiler made and sold by Hank H. FL.
More spoiler pics.
Current owner bought it in 1984 with the spoiler.
Car was produced June 6, 1969
That looks like 69 boss 302 spoiler Shelby was pointed in middle and had 3 square bolt tabs with melted in soms #
Quote from: Special Ed on December 27, 2019, 06:33:11 PM
That looks like 69 boss 302 spoiler Shelby was pointed in middle and had 3 square bolt tabs with melted in soms #
Ed
Spoiler was there at least from 1977.
Thanks
John
Interesting Norway photo john looks like all cars u see over there mudflaps or rock guards and added reflectors side and rear as that was part of required laws over there at the time the way I understand back in the day. I can see by looking at johns Shelby photo that spoiler design is 69 boss 302 as well as added boss rear spoiler. The 69 boss 302 front spoiler was the service replacement for 69-70 Shelby and 69 boss 429 as (1 size fits all) replacements. I have never seen a 70 Shelby or a 69 b9 nos front spoiler in the box from a ford dealership. The only nos 69 b9 or 70 Shelby front spoilers that have been found were leftovers out of KK plant from what I seen anyway.
Quote from: Special Ed on December 28, 2019, 09:28:03 AM
Interesting Norway photo john looks like all cars u see over there mudflaps or rock guards and added reflectors side and rear as that was part of required laws over there at the time the way I understand back in the day. I can see by looking at johns Shelby photo that spoiler design is 69 boss 302 as well as added boss rear spoiler. The 69 boss 302 front spoiler was the service replacement for 69-70 Shelby and 69 boss 429 as (1 size fits all) replacements. I have never seen a 70 Shelby or a 69 b9 nos front spoiler in the box from a ford dealership. The only nos 69 b9 or 70 Shelby front spoilers that have been found were leftovers out of KK plant from what I seen anyway.
Mudflaps and orange rear reflectors was required by law. Had a realy heated argument with my local DMV about that. I simply refused to add some generic ugly orange lamps on my car. Guess who was the winner! ;-)
Just for reference, here's a pic I have in my files of a '69 Boss 302, my note says Finland, I think it's a recent photo.
Mike
Quote from: honker on December 28, 2019, 11:00:25 AM
Just for reference, here's a pic I have in my files of a '69 Boss 302, my note says Finland, I think it's a recent photo.
Mike
Yes, old style licence plate from Finland.
John
Pete - was #480004 on the loading list of the 15 cars together with #0007 and #0017 or on another?
Im not sure which document you are referring to. It was sent to the engineering department . There is no further information.
I just remember that there was an early 1969 Shelby delivery loading list of 15 cars (to Claude Du Bois) and another with 5 cars of the first two batches probably. Of course the VIN's don't need to be nor were sequential.
I am not sure where I got this information from, but it sticks in my head. (maybe around the topic of #480001) a decade or more ago.
You may be correct. I dont think anyone knows where #4 went. It may not even be in Europe