Interesting....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-sports/chevy-corvette-c8-vs-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-a-track-comparison/ar-BBY5cas?li=BBnb4R5
Will be interesting to watch the C8 go through puberty over next couple years. I'd still take the snake though.
I signed up to run a few cars at the M1 Concourse in Pontiac Michigan through Extreme Experiences on May 21. Two of the three cars I chose are these two so it should be interesting to run each for three laps to see how they compare. Should be fun. I've never done one of these multi car track experiences before.
for the performance in corners, braking, downforce etc the C8 should be the deal and if they bring it up with more hp than now the GT500 will loose. I dont like both, I would take my V12 Vantage and eat them both, and also a well tuned Focus RS will get them for the half price what they cost. I would always prefer my 67 GT500 also on the track they can perform very good for their age.
Quote from: jk66gt350 on December 25, 2019, 03:46:20 PM
I signed up to run a few cars at the M1 Concourse in Pontiac Michigan through Extreme Experiences on May 21. Two of the three cars I chose are these two so it should be interesting to run each for three laps to see how they compare. Should be fun. I've never done one of these multi car track experiences before.
I did a Ferrari 458 Italia at the MIS road course last fall through Extreme(fathers day gift from my kids). It was fun. BTW I'd take the new Vette over the Gt500 and pocket the difference($$$). Gary
It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we will call the ZR 1 zone
.... game over !
The Vantage with mid 4 second 0-60 and mid twelve 1/4 mile times would not compete with either the new 500 or the current Vette. When the ZR1 arrives it will throttle the new 500, the current C8 and take the paint off the Vantage as it cruises by it...
Quote from: Kent on December 26, 2019, 03:12:31 AM
for the performance in corners, braking, downforce etc the C8 should be the deal and if they bring it up with more hp than now the GT500 will loose. I dont like both, I would take my V12 Vantage and eat them both, and also a well tuned Focus RS will get them for the half price what they cost. I would always prefer my 67 GT500 also on the track they can perform very good for their age.
FYI ...Godzilla is coming !
https://speedsociety.com/2020-c8-chevy-corvette-zr1-expected-900hp-twin-turbo-dohc-hybrid/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post-link&utm_campaign=c10c10&utm_term=jose_corona&utm_content&source=c10c10
Apples and oranges. Lets see the 2 seat sports car beat the 4 seat grocery getter - so drag out the race car grocery to beat the pedestrian 2 seat sports car. Watch for a rematch where the Z06 Vette beats the fully tuned on race tires Mustang.
currently a Florida tuner has a new 500, rumor has it that it is pretty maxed out
or as we say say not to much juice left in that orange
but you never know who or what will happen next
exciting times we are living in
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on December 26, 2019, 11:24:02 PM
Apples and oranges. Lets see the 2 seat sports car beat the 4 seat grocery getter - so drag out the race car grocery to beat the pedestrian 2 seat sports car. Watch for a rematch where the Z06 Vette beats the fully tuned on race tires Mustang.
oh my goodness what is this ???
Regardless of whether you are a very jaded "bleed Ford blue" person or one that likes all performance cars you got to give GM Kudos for bringing out a mid engine sports car starting at 60K. Hell Ford couldn't even do that with the Ford GT 15 YEARS ago for double the price. Just saying.... Gary
The Prius, the Chyrsler K car and the Corvair were also "car of the year"
In Miami we call it under the table money....it accomplished it purpose... prius, k crap, naders favourite...lmao
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 27, 2019, 09:06:20 AM
The Prius, the Chyrsler K car and the Corvair were also "car of the year"
The front engine C7.R could run with the racing Ford GT. Corvette Racing will take the C8.R to a new level and much of it will transfer back to the C8 in "Z06" like options. Good luck to the GT500 then.
And remember "Chevrolet" is French. Just a matter of time before surrender
Merry Christmas Gary,
Yes sir you are correct and what we are about to express will infuriate a few.
Haters will be haters, but you just cant keep this baby down;
2.9 0 to 60mph
1/4 mile 11.3 naturally aspirated
1/4 mile trap speed of 121 mph
193 mph top speed
Starting at $59,995
Only thing that can possibly get close to it are the over priced Egg-zotics, the over priced new GT500 ( forget about the 350/350R not worthy) with a chassis that is 5 years old (going into obsolete mode soon), the Ford V6 GT supercar at $500k
How about buying a 2005/6 Ford GT why would anyone purchase a vehicle that's 14 years old with no warranty for upwards of $300k when you could have something just as flashy and fast for 1/5 the price?
Answers will be are, because I can , because its Ford GT, because it's a collectable, because its superior, because, because, because....wake up and smell the coffee that puppy is done and probably all the rubber on them is deteriorating even with 10 miles on it.
Admit it we have a winner here !
Dont be blinded by your envy or hatred of Americas only true sports car and may I say very affordable sports car.
The future is bright, cant wait until they unleash the ZR1 or as we like to call it Godzilla.
The new world order is here....God bless the USA !
Opinions expressed are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of SAAC or FL SAAC. But I must add....the truth does sting, lmao !
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 27, 2019, 08:57:07 AM
Regardless of whether you are a very jaded "bleed Ford blue" person or one that likes all performance cars you got to give GM Kudos for bringing out a mid engine sports car starting at 60K. Hell Ford couldn't even do that with the Ford GT 15 YEARS ago for double the price. Just saying.... Gary
At least the Ford GT has appreciated in value where any Vette in the modern era has declined drastically. GM has thrown performance #s around before. Let's see what's up once they're on the street. Might be 60K this year. Will be well over 70 next year.
Fantastic point you have there. Limited production to a selective few. The other continues to be massed produced and driven by the common man.
We prefer the current GM Chevrolet value proposition!
Let us leave you with Maestro Shelbys qoutes;
Meant to be driven and My favourite one is the next one.
In this case the next one is the C8
Question, what does the C8 stand for ????
C for Carroll
8th letter = H
H for Hall
Stranger than fiction
Quote from: 683760 on December 27, 2019, 10:56:13 AM
At least the Ford GT has appreciated in value where any Vette in the modern era has declined drastically. GM has thrown performance #s around before. Let's see what's up once they're on the street. Might be 60K this year. Will be well over 70 next year.
Tony, yes you are right. I go and buy both now ;D , will never happen, I always would prefer my 67 GT500 and all the other old cars I have. And just for you my 67 Shelby Clone would kill both the GT500 and C8 on a 1/4 mile easily. Also my 68 Drag Fastback.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=925&v=RfQ6Qtxpmcs&feature=emb_logo
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on December 26, 2019, 10:20:43 AM
It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we will call the ZR 1 zone
.... game over !
The Vantage with mid 4 second 0-60 and mid twelve 1/4 mile times would not compete with either the new 500 or the current Vette. When the ZR1 arrives it will throttle the new 500, the current C8 and take the paint off the Vantage as it cruises by it...
Quote from: Kent on December 26, 2019, 03:12:31 AM
for the performance in corners, braking, downforce etc the C8 should be the deal and if they bring it up with more hp than now the GT500 will loose. I dont like both, I would take my V12 Vantage and eat them both, and also a well tuned Focus RS will get them for the half price what they cost. I would always prefer my 67 GT500 also on the track they can perform very good for their age.
I do understand your sentiments of nostalgia, I have them also.
But for a moment imagine having a 9 second vehicle (you pick GM or Ford) today with all the creature comforts of power windows, AC, cruise control etc that gets superior gas mileage, has all the latest safety requirements, superior brakes, handle like the old cars never ever will, doesnt over heat, you dont smell like racing fuel as soon as you sit in them and can be driven by a 16 year old because they are docile unless you decide to slam the pedal.
Yes I to love my dinosaurs but you cant beat what Ford or GM is putting out today.
These are the good old days all over again. Let's enjoy this while we can, wont be long before it's all over again.
P. S. have you heard that the ZR1 may come with twin turbos at 900 H.P. and msrp at $150k ? What a rocket and canyon carver that's going to be....
Quote from: Kent on January 08, 2020, 03:21:59 AM
Tony, yes you are right. I go and buy both now ;D , will never happen, I always would prefer my 67 GT500 and all the other old cars I have. And just for you my 67 Shelby Clone would kill both the GT500 and C8 on a 1/4 mile easily. Also my 68 Drag Fastback.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=925&v=RfQ6Qtxpmcs&feature=emb_logo
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on December 26, 2019, 10:20:43 AM
It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we will call the ZR 1 zone
.... game over !
The Vantage with mid 4 second 0-60 and mid twelve 1/4 mile times would not compete with either the new 500 or the current Vette. When the ZR1 arrives it will throttle the new 500, the current C8 and take the paint off the Vantage as it cruises by it...
Quote from: Kent on December 26, 2019, 03:12:31 AM
for the performance in corners, braking, downforce etc the C8 should be the deal and if they bring it up with more hp than now the GT500 will loose. I dont like both, I would take my V12 Vantage and eat them both, and also a well tuned Focus RS will get them for the half price what they cost. I would always prefer my 67 GT500 also on the track they can perform very good for their age.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 08, 2020, 05:44:52 AM
I do understand your sentiments of nostalgia, I have them also.
But for a moment imagine having a 9 second vehicle (you pick GM or Ford) today with all the creature comforts of power windows, AC, cruise control etc that gets superior gas mileage, has all the latest safety requirements, superior brakes, handle like the old cars never ever will, doesnt over heat, you dont smell like racing fuel as soon as you sit in them and can be driven by a 16 year old because they are docile unless you decide to slam the pedal.
Yes I to love my dinosaurs but you cant beat what Ford or GM is putting out today.
These are the good old days all over again. Let's enjoy this while we can, wont be long before it's all over again.
P. S. have you heard that the ZR1 may come with twin turbos at 900 H.P. and msrp at $150k ? What a rocket and canyon carver that's going to be....
Quote from: Kent on January 08, 2020, 03:21:59 AM
Tony, yes you are right. I go and buy both now ;D , will never happen, I always would prefer my 67 GT500 and all the other old cars I have. And just for you my 67 Shelby Clone would kill both the GT500 and C8 on a 1/4 mile easily. Also my 68 Drag Fastback.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=925&v=RfQ6Qtxpmcs&feature=emb_logo
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on December 26, 2019, 10:20:43 AM
It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we will call the ZR 1 zone
.... game over !
The Vantage with mid 4 second 0-60 and mid twelve 1/4 mile times would not compete with either the new 500 or the current Vette. When the ZR1 arrives it will throttle the new 500, the current C8 and take the paint off the Vantage as it cruises by it...
Quote from: Kent on December 26, 2019, 03:12:31 AM
for the performance in corners, braking, downforce etc the C8 should be the deal and if they bring it up with more hp than now the GT500 will loose. I dont like both, I would take my V12 Vantage and eat them both, and also a well tuned Focus RS will get them for the half price what they cost. I would always prefer my 67 GT500 also on the track they can perform very good for their age.
I understand your points, Tony. And, I see this in a completely different light.
I've tried to own newer sports cars, but I just come away feeling bored. They are so easy to drive that it takes the fun out of driving for me. Personally, I love the smell of hydro carbons and fuel. I love the feel of some good body roll. And, if it weren't for classics, I'd rarely drive with the windows down.
I don't disagree with your sentiments. And, I wouldn't take a new car over a classic. Plus, unless you're on a track, how fast does a person want to go on public roads?
My 2 cents. 😉
First let us say : none of our cars have ever been at the track.
Now that we have set the record straight, I agree with you there is nothing like getting an artifact and willing it to turn a corner, handle through turns. That is an adrenaline rush.
The new cars have many amenities but they also present a challenge. That is why you see so many new cars crash and burn due to driver error or over confidence.
The fine smell of octane escaping through the exhaust also is a a high for ME, it takes me back to then , to different places and experiences in time. Actually driving the artifacts brings me to 1969 , groovy baby !
Be safe out there
Many of us do put our old relics on the track. But, why settle exclusively for old vs. new?
I've had my '65 Fastback since '83 and all along have also had a more modern performance car. Last summer, I sold my C5 Corvette and acquired the '19 GT350. I still look forward to finishing the '65 and getting it back into Autocross and a few vintage-type track days, but I've discovered that the Shelby is a blast on the tracks. It's obviously a very different experience than the '65 at speed, but I like them both in different ways.
I would have looked harder at the GT500 or the C8, but I just like rowing my own gears.
Thats my "I kill all the new muscle cars Fastback" over 800 rwhp now on a very light old car, traction is amazing it do the the 0-62 in 3.6 now and the 62-124 in 7.4 and thats in real not magazine or youtube stuff, we measured with a performance box they use on 24 hour races and its certified for guiness world records. I invested over a year only to do the setup of the engine, tranny, everything in the engine bay that brings performance and the suspension. We did open the engine 3 times in 5 months and changed stuff, now this baby is really fast. Its maybe one of the best 67 Mustangs in the world performance wise.
p.s that was post 200 ;-) not a bad one
^^^AWESOME 8)
Please start a thread showing us the build.
you have left us speechless with those times, 0-62 in 3.6
car looks great, wishing you much continued success!
Quote from: Kent on January 08, 2020, 03:30:14 PM
Thats my "I kill all the new muscle cars Fastback" over 800 rwhp now on a very light old car, traction is amazing it do the the 0-62 in 3.6 now and the 62-124 in 7.4 and thats in real not magazine or youtube stuff, we measured with a performance box they use on 24 hour races and its certified for guiness world records. I invested over a year only to do the setup of the engine, tranny, everything in the engine bay that brings performance and the suspension. We did open the engine 3 times in 5 months and changed stuff, now this baby is really fast. Its maybe one of the best 67 Mustangs in the world performance wise.
p.s that was post 200 ;-) not a bad one
Quote from: Kent on January 08, 2020, 03:30:14 PM
Thats my "I kill all the new muscle cars Fastback" over 800 rwhp now on a very light old car, traction is amazing it do the the 0-62 in 3.6 now and the 62-124 in 7.4 and thats in real not magazine or youtube stuff, we measured with a performance box they use on 24 hour races and its certified for guiness world records. I invested over a year only to do the setup of the engine, tranny, everything in the engine bay that brings performance and the suspension. We did open the engine 3 times in 5 months and changed stuff, now this baby is really fast. Its maybe one of the best 67 Mustangs in the world performance wise.
p.s that was post 200 ;-) not a bad one
More pictures, please!!!
Quote from: Kent on January 08, 2020, 03:30:14 PM
Thats my "I kill all the new muscle cars Fastback" over 800 rwhp now on a very light old car, traction is amazing it do the the 0-62 in 3.6 now and the 62-124 in 7.4 and thats in real not magazine or youtube stuff, we measured with a performance box they use on 24 hour races and its certified for guiness world records. I invested over a year only to do the setup of the engine, tranny, everything in the engine bay that brings performance and the suspension. We did open the engine 3 times in 5 months and changed stuff, now this baby is really fast. Its maybe one of the best 67 Mustangs in the world performance wise.
p.s that was post 200 ;-) not a bad one
Bad. Ass.
Here some more, I will do a driving and walk arround video in some weeks when the weather is better here. I´m happy you guys like the build, thats an honor.
Kent you would not have a family member who's first name is Clark?
All kidding aside your car looks very good
Can you enlighten us on you drive train, components used and what traction control devices used
Thanks
Quote from: Kent on January 09, 2020, 06:01:40 AM
Here some more, I will do a driving and walk arround video in some weeks when the weather is better here. I´m happy you guys like the build, thats an honor.
Quote from: Kent on January 09, 2020, 06:01:40 AM
Here some more, I will do a driving and walk arround video in some weeks when the weather is better here. I´m happy you guys like the build, thats an honor.
Wow!! That thing looks righteous! I love the all blacked out look without side stripes. Nasty in a good way.
Well done!
Quote from: Kent on January 09, 2020, 06:01:40 AM
Here some more, I will do a driving and walk arround video in some weeks when the weather is better here. I´m happy you guys like the build, thats an honor.
Ahhhhhhh... I have a soft spot for the F4, beautiful aircraft.
Way to go Kent. This is what muscle cars are all about, not going down and buying the latest computer tweaked gadget ride. ::)
Muscle cars are from the 1960's period! I don't know what to call the current iteration, doesn't matter 'cause I'm not buying.
Built by and enjoyed by a REAL muscle car enthusiast!!
That's what I'm talking about.
Back to our on going discussion. The attached for the uninformed...
https://www.motor1.com/news/384042/c8-chevy-zr1-hybrid-900hp/
The truly sad thing about both of these cars is no matter which you should choose, they are both going to depreciate like stock in the '29 crash.
In three years they will both be at 1/2 what they were new.
And that's what I am waiting for, swoop in buy, drive and enjoy !
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 09, 2020, 02:00:38 PM
The truly sad thing about both of these cars is no matter which you should choose, they are both going to depreciate like stock in the '29 crash.
In three years they will both be at 1/2 what they were new.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 09, 2020, 03:13:31 PM
And that's what I am waiting for, swoop in buy, drive and enjoy !
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 09, 2020, 02:00:38 PM
The truly sad thing about both of these cars is no matter which you should choose, they are both going to depreciate like stock in the '29 crash.
In three years they will both be at 1/2 what they were new.
Sure but in ten years if you need a bumper cover the insurance company will total the car.
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 27, 2019, 09:06:20 AM
The Prius, the Chrysler K car and the Corvair were also "car of the year"
.. oh yeah, and the Citation. LOL
Marketing considerations included ??? ::)
Good choice on the lower case letters Pete!
So be it, like I said previously buy it at half price run the wheels off of it and enjoy it instead of looking at it in a garage
Yall know everyone has an expiration date, unfortunately some of us have not figured it out and worship idols
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 09, 2020, 03:16:02 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 09, 2020, 03:13:31 PM
And that's what I am waiting for, swoop in buy, drive and enjoy !
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 09, 2020, 02:00:38 PM
The truly sad thing about both of these cars is no matter which you should choose, they are both going to depreciate like stock in the '29 crash.
In three years they will both be at 1/2 what they were new.
Sure but in ten years if you need a bumper cover the insurance company will total the car.
Still hasn't hit a few people, you need to realize that the new Corvette has become a genuine supercar slayer at a very affordable acquisition point. Go America !
Quote from: mark p on January 09, 2020, 06:02:04 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 27, 2019, 09:06:20 AM
The Prius, the Chrysler K car and the Corvair were also "car of the year"
.. oh yeah, and the Citation. LOL
Marketing considerations included ??? ::)
Good choice on the lower case letters Pete!
Quote from: Tired Sheep on December 27, 2019, 10:09:27 AM
And remember "Chevrolet" is French. Just a matter of time before surrender
Baaaaaaaaaaa
Yes
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on December 27, 2019, 10:42:20 AM
Merry Christmas
Yes sir you are correct and what we are about to express will infuriate a few.
Haters will be haters, but you just cant keep this baby down;
2.9 0 to 60mph
1/4 mile 11.3 naturally aspirated
1/4 mile trap speed of 121 mph
193 mph top speed
Starting at $59,995
Did you know that a Forum friend ran a new 2020 GT500 at the track a few weeks ago and produced a 1/4 mile time under 10 seconds....
No ha,ha,ha... ;D Still hasn't hit a few people, you need to realize that the new Corvette has become a genuine supercar slayer at a very affordable acquisition point. Go America !
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 09, 2020, 06:56:40 PM
Quote from: Tired Sheep on December 27, 2019, 10:09:27 AM
And remember "Chevrolet" is French. Just a matter of time before surrender
Baaaaaaaaaaa
Yes
Yes
Not only them but a few have dipped the new GT500 already in the high nines and I applaud that.
The issue is I am totally honest and realize that people unfortunately are comparing the current top of the line mustang gt500 with a supercharger to a naturally aspirated chevy.
Who is far superior in the aerodynamics, aesthetically pleasing, handling and price.
Let's regroup once the ZR1 arrives and hold the comparision then
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 09, 2020, 07:01:37 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on December 27, 2019, 10:42:20 AM
Merry Christmas
Yes sir you are correct and what we are about to express will infuriate a few.
Haters will be haters, but you just cant keep this baby down;
2.9 0 to 60mph
1/4 mile 11.3 naturally aspirated
1/4 mile trap speed of 121 mph
193 mph top speed
Starting at $59,995
Did you know that a Forum friend ran a new 2020 GT500 at the track a few weeks ago and produced a 1/4 mile time under 10 seconds....
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Thanks for contributing to our discussion. Much appreciated
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Quote from: Chris Thauberger on January 09, 2020, 08:15:37 PM
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The C8R didn't exactly set the world on fire at the Roar Before The 24. This is basically a 3 day extended testing session held at Daytona. Out of a field of seven cars the two Corvettes finished 3rd and last, the fastest time was set by Risi Competizone's Ferrari.
We shall see how the 8R progresses, Porsche seemed really quick in addition to the Risi car. Porsche has their new car undergoing some new aero mods which should help top end and low speed grip.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 09, 2020, 07:12:43 PM
Yes
Not only them but a few have dipped the new GT500 already in the high nines and I applaud that.
The issue is I am totally honest and realize that people unfortunately are comparing the current top of the line mustang gt500 with a supercharger to a naturally aspirated chevy.
Who is far superior in the aerodynamics, aesthetically pleasing, handling and price.
Let's regroup once the ZR1 arrives and hold the comparision then
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 09, 2020, 07:01:37 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on December 27, 2019, 10:42:20 AM
Merry Christmas
Yes sir you are correct and what we are about to express will infuriate a few.
Haters will be haters, but you just cant keep this baby down;
2.9 0 to 60mph
1/4 mile 11.3 naturally aspirated
1/4 mile trap speed of 121 mph
193 mph top speed
Starting at $59,995
Did you know that a Forum friend ran a new 2020 GT500 at the track a few weeks ago and produced a 1/4 mile time under 10 seconds....
Yes
Let's do that.
And at that time we can compare the $100,000 + ZR1 against the GT500 that my 21 year old buddy just ran 9's in which bTW,....will be available at MSRP at that time.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 09, 2020, 07:12:43 PM
...The issue is I am totally honest and realize that people unfortunately are comparing the current top of the line mustang gt500 with a supercharger to a naturally aspirated chevy...
Yes, just like they were comparing the NA Voodoo GT350/R with the supercharged Camaro ZL1....
I just had an epiphany, you guys are right....
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 09, 2020, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 09, 2020, 07:12:43 PM
Yes
Not only them but a few have dipped the new GT500 already in the high nines and I applaud that.
The issue is I am totally honest and realize that people unfortunately are comparing the current top of the line mustang gt500 with a supercharger to a naturally aspirated chevy.
Who is far superior in the aerodynamics, aesthetically pleasing, handling and price.
Let's regroup once the ZR1 arrives and hold the comparision then
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 09, 2020, 07:01:37 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on December 27, 2019, 10:42:20 AM
Merry Christmas
Yes sir you are correct and what we are about to express will infuriate a few.
Haters will be haters, but you just cant keep this baby down;
2.9 0 to 60mph
1/4 mile 11.3 naturally aspirated
1/4 mile trap speed of 121 mph
193 mph top speed
Starting at $59,995
Did you know that a Forum friend ran a new 2020 GT500 at the track a few weeks ago and produced a 1/4 mile time under 10 seconds....
Yes
Let's do that.
And at that time we can compare the $100,000 + ZR1 against the GT500 that my 21 year old buddy just ran 9's in which bTW,....will be available at MSRP at that time.
9s in a GT500? How much for the car? The car in the link my friend-who now works at Ford doing prototype cars- put a "brand new" Camaro into the 9s back in 2012 with ease. Nothing new. He did the same for a friend's "used" 2007 Gt500. He was the "test pilot" and internet sales at Livernois at the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx-Rxh2BlPs