Live and in color, you want to buy a new 2020 GT500....LMAO !
Hence this is why the C8 is sold out
Complaining about this is the same as NYC Mayor Bill De Blasio complaining about $30 pizza pies on New Year's Eve. Supply and Demand!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1hCizarsKw
Just like the 350R it only took a short while before peeps could get them at sticker.
The Corvette is lame.
Does it come with Leppard print underwear?
Biggie, fess up you know those GT350 / GT350 Rs are obsolete and stale
You betcha the new C8 is lame...so lame they sold out
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 06, 2020, 10:10:30 PM
Just like the 350R it only took a short while before peeps could get them at sticker.
The Corvette is lame.
Does it come with Leppard print underwear?
All I got to say is .... yup !
Quote from: BGlover67 on January 06, 2020, 09:49:34 PM
Complaining about this is the same as NYC Mayor Bill De Blasio complaining about $30 pizza pies on New Year's Eve. Supply and Demand!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1hCizarsKw
https://www.corvetteforum.com/articles/update-chevrolet-says-the-2020-corvette-is-not-sold-out/
this has to be a joke, did you see who wrote this article?
cameron vanderhorst....we met his twin brother, camaro vanderhost ....
amassed an impressive and diverse collection of vehicles comprised of a mustang II, 1996 cobra....
In addition to writing about cars and wrenching on them in his spare time, he enjoys playing music (drums and ukulele), building model cars, and tending to his chickens.
This sucker, I mean gentleman is definitely a candidate for the new GT500 and the $30 pizzas...
ROFLMAO !!!
Quote from: CSX 4133 on January 06, 2020, 10:17:20 PM
https://www.corvetteforum.com/articles/update-chevrolet-says-the-2020-corvette-is-not-sold-out/
Tony
The 350R is a real track beast that can also function as grocery getter without looking rediculous,...ie like the vette.
BTW,....I like Chevrolet vehicles as I own Kiwis 71 pickup, a 67 RS/SS convertible, a 55 Bel Air ,...and an LS6 Chevelle (3 owner car).
And I'm no Corvette hater.
Enough said.
Enjoy the weather.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 06, 2020, 10:14:24 PM
Biggie, fess up you know those GT350 / GT350 Rs are obsolete and stale
There will always be something newer and faster.
However, shifting a flat plane crank VooDoo at 8,000+ RPM will never be obsolete or stale, quite the opposite IMO...
I would not buy either. MSRP or even at invoice.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 06, 2020, 09:34:56 PM
Live and in color, you want to buy a new 2020 GT500....LMAO !
Hence this is why the C8 is sold out
A few I have talked to on FB on my Gt350 page have said they or their relatives have ordered new 2020 Vettes for sticker. 50-75K over sticker on a GT500? Well while I would never buy one even at sticker the MSRP on a GT500 is just that; Man SUGGESTED retail price. They can sell over or under as the market determines. People get all bent out of shape on that and I do not know why. Gary
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 06, 2020, 10:14:24 PM
Biggie, fess up you know those GT350 / GT350 Rs are obsolete and stale
You betcha the new C8 is lame...so lame they sold out
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 06, 2020, 10:10:30 PM
Just like the 350R it only took a short while before peeps could get them at sticker.
The Corvette is lame.
Does it come with Leppard print underwear?
Well Biggie is a true blue Ford guy wearing blue tinted glasses. I don't even bother with a response. As a longtime GM employee the Vette shows how to do a world class sports/supercar for the masses. Ford never could. But the 900HP twin turbo ZR-1 sure isn't going to be lame and I'm betting the price would be in the ballpark of what Ford buyers paid 15 YEARS ago for a Ford GT. Want to know what LAME is? That since 1957 Ford has never come out with a car to compete in the Vette's class. Figure out why that is and let me know. :) Gary
What a deal 25/50/75 over sticker ! :)
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 07, 2020, 07:02:40 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 06, 2020, 09:34:56 PM
Live and in color, you want to buy a new 2020 GT500....LMAO !
Hence this is why the C8 is sold out
A few I have talked to on FB on my Gt350 page have said they or their relatives have ordered new 2020 Vettes for sticker. 50-75K over sticker on a GT500? Well while I would never buy one even at sticker the MSRP on a GT500 is just that; Man SUGGESTED retail price. They can sell over or under as the market determines. People get all bent out of shape on that and I do not know why. Gary
Well Biggie is a true blue Ford guy wearing blue tinted glasses. I don't even bother with a response.
+1
As a longtime GM employee the Vette shows how to do a world class sports/supercar for the masses. Ford never could.
+1
But the 900HP twin turbo ZR-1 sure isn't going to be lame and I'm betting the price would be in the ballpark of what Ford buyers paid 15 YEARS ago for a Ford GT.
+1
Want to know what LAME is? That since 1957 Ford has never come out with a car to compete in the Vette's class. Figure out why that is and let me know.
+1
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 07, 2020, 07:07:29 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 06, 2020, 10:14:24 PM
Biggie, fess up you know those GT350 / GT350 Rs are obsolete and stale
You betcha the new C8 is lame...so lame they sold out
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 06, 2020, 10:10:30 PM
Just like the 350R it only took a short while before peeps could get them at sticker.
The Corvette is lame.
Does it come with Leppard print underwear?
Well Biggie is a true blue Ford guy wearing blue tinted glasses. I don't even bother with a response. As a longtime GM employee the Vette shows how to do a world class sports/supercar for the masses. Ford never could. But the 900HP twin turbo ZR-1 sure isn't going to be lame and I'm betting the price would be in the ballpark of what Ford buyers paid 15 YEARS ago for a Ford GT. Want to know what LAME is? That since 1957 Ford has never come out with a car to compete in the Vette's class. Figure out why that is and let me know. :) Gary
I hope you have a vette on order and enjoy plastic machine that will take forever to appreciate if it does at all. The Vette will be short lived. The Mustang damn nears outsells Corvette and Camaro combined. Let's see GM make something that will compete against the GT.
You have not been keeping up, let's answer your inquiries;
No we do not have one on order, we have expressed that we will wait to see if they have any bugs or maladies in its first year of production.
We will be driving the wheels out of this mass produced disposable super car. Then on to the next one
Of course the Mustangs outsells these two GM products. We love Mustangs, we own a few. But can't pass up this economical and much superior super car.
GM will trounce the GT500 and the GT once the ZR1 comes out at a rumored $150/160k..ouch !
Quote from: 683760 on February 24, 2020, 04:45:23 PM
I hope you have a vette on order and enjoy plastic machine that will take forever to appreciate if it does at all. The Vette will be short lived. The Mustang damn nears outsells Corvette and Camaro combined. Let's see GM make something that will compete against the GT.
You are on a Ford/SAAC themed site and blast OUR preferred product? You are only looking to irritate people. Go play someplace else.
I understand those,like yourself,that like to be "devils's advocate" just to promote responses........lonely ,looking for love? Try the Corvette site
Understood this a Ford /SAAC site, but that is why we have a lounge area to discuss different topics.
Those that get irritated over such discussion it's because of the lack of emotional intelligence.
Got to admit someone else built an affordable mid engine super car to challenge the world is or should be a topic of discussion on any forum.
Hope it reaches and make all car manufacturer rethink their current product's and future strategies.
Our sincerest apologies if we have offended you in any manner.
Quote from: Rukiddin on February 24, 2020, 05:39:10 PM
You are on a Ford/SAAC themed site and blast OUR preferred product? You are only looking to irritate people. Go play someplace else.
I understand those,like yourself,that like to be "devils's advocate" just to promote responses........lonely ,looking for love? Try the Corvette site
And this is why GM hasn't learned from the last bankruptcy. My advice buy one now before 80K+ is the rule. ::)
https://www.motor1.com/news/385310/gm-loses-on-base-corvette/
Agree with the article, of the six people I know that have ordered the C8 the lowest after accessorizing it, came in at just over $90k and the highest at $110k
Still way under a Ferrari, Lambo or GT.
A few will buy into the $59k base , a few.
Quote from: CSX 4133 on February 24, 2020, 06:19:35 PM
And this is why GM hasn't learned from the last bankruptcy. My advice buy one now before 80K+ is the rule. ::)
https://www.motor1.com/news/385310/gm-loses-on-base-corvette/
Nice try.
The Corvette is cheaper because Chevy knows what their product is worth. How many Corvettes do you know of that have lasting beauty after 1972. The answer is (Almost none) The 63-67s are the best the rest get aged looking in a hurry. I predict the new one will be the same. The Gt-40 and the Ford Gts never look aged. Camaro was the same way it started good and every year they made it, it got uglier. I have some Chevys and I like them, I'm just tired of hearing about the new ones. They should be able to build a Corvette to go to Mars and back with the billions they robbed off the tax payers.
I agree that the best Tupperware Chevys were in the 63 to 70 group though the C7 series created some excitement. I never owned any but did drive a few over the years. Some styles now make them look like stomped on Camaros. But they are still in business and allowing us choices. And I like the competition of style and innovation from Ford and Chevy. Rivalry is a good thing.
Good morning gentlemen
All very valid points but, GM knocked it out of the park with the 2020 corvette and the pricing is absolutely where it needs to be and with that they're going to sell every single one of those cars they can build. A fun vehicle that almost anyone can afford and enjoy.
IMHO the design is KAKA - but it has to be a blast to drive - but bow ties are for little boyz
Quote from: madeulook on February 25, 2020, 07:49:36 AM
IMHO the design is KAKA - but it has to be a blast to drive - but bow ties are for little boyz
"Little boyz"? I don't know? You're packin' what you're packin'" ? Talks cheap.
In three years used C8's should be pretty affordable?
Cars are like wives. Some guys like porkers. Some Super Models. All have their drawbacks.
You have to know your limits. Get one you can drive and afford to keep?
"Never make a pretty woman your wife, if you wanna' be happy for the rest of your life, so from my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you!"
I have a buddy who married a super model. Everyone wanted to drive her. Divorced in 2 years. Been married to current model (ugly) for 25 years and very happy. Good strategy.
So, the logic is to marry a 5 or 6, and drive the same, I guess...I'll take a '65 Fastback and a 11 any day
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on February 24, 2020, 04:55:46 PM
You have not been keeping up, let's answer your inquiries;
No we do not have one on order, we have expressed that we will wait to see if they have any bugs or maladies in its first year of production.
We will be driving the wheels out of this mass produced disposable super car. Then on to the next one
Of course the Mustangs outsells these two GM products. We love Mustangs, we own a few. But can't pass up this economical and much superior super car.
GM will trounce the GT500 and the GT once the ZR1 comes out at a rumored $150/160k..ouch !
Quote from: 683760 on February 24, 2020, 04:45:23 PM
I hope you have a vette on order and enjoy plastic machine that will take forever to appreciate if it does at all. The Vette will be short lived. The Mustang damn nears outsells Corvette and Camaro combined. Let's see GM make something that will compete against the GT.
A few weeks ago I walked out of a restaurant and the only car out there besides my Equinox was a new "grabber blue" Vette. I walked back in and talked to the engineer. Car was the 60K base model. When I asked him the price of a ZR-1 he was coy and couldn't quote me prices even though I'm also a GM employee. But after some bantering he pretty much said it would be about the same price as the current ZR-1. Well a LOADED top ZR-1 2019 I think would peg 150K and seen many with lower option packages at 135K(a friend tagged a company 2019 ZR-1 vert with the base option package with a few other options at 138K). So I think 150-160K sounds about right. Still a deal for what you are getting. About bugs in the first year? Well with all the delays and testing I hope they are gone. Gary
I just loved the article that revealed you have to pull the entire engine/trans to replace the drive belt!
"well, ya know it's no different than some Ferrari's that require engine removal for scheduled maintenance".......
everyone has their preference, and will drink the Kool-Aid because it's an emotional decision..
they will have the "new thing" that other's don't, or they feel kooler because.....
I don't expect others to validate my choices by publicizing, to see what responses are generated
IMHO
jp
I have nothing against the new Corvette. Cool engineering, great bang-for-the-buck, and it finally fulfills the decades-old mid-engine show car promise. I'd like to try one.
I love older Vettes, and have owned one C1 two C2 big blocks and two C3 big blocks.
I'm very glad that GM isn't still back in the Roger Smith era. The Corvette was nearly killed several times during its life, and I'm very happy to see GM now put such serious resources behind making a world-class sports car. Competition raises the bar for everyone, and life is good, right?
Imagine if we were having this discussion in 1966, about the Cobra 427 versus a Corvette 427. It could have been argued that who in their right mind would buy a Cobra with no top, side windows, heater, radio, etc, when you could get a fully loaded Corvette for less money?
Yes, the new GT500 vs Corvette scenario/argument is different, but it's still Ford vs Chevy, and thus lifelong biases (like rooting for sports teams) are ingrained. But that doesn't mean that one sucks and thus the other is polar-opposite great. They are both very cool cars, very quick (with more power still to come) and we're lucky to have them.
Let's check back on this argument in ten years when most of the new cars will be electric or hybrid. Silent cars, no matter how quick, are of zero interest to me. I drove my buddy's new $100,000 Tesla the other day and it was not exciting. Torquey and quick, yes, but a big part of the fun of acceleration to me is the engine/exhaust sound. And burning rubber. The Tesla is silent as a coffin, and has been 100% high-tech'ed out of spinning a tire. Boring.
I'm enjoying these days as the best the performance car industry has ever seen, or will ever see again. Fossil fuel rules!
+++1 side oiler
My son has the new Tesla - I've got a fire-breathing 1965 GT350 R tribute - we don't talk cars.
I send him pictures of me lapping real Cobra's and he sends me pictures of charging stations......God help the next generation and our hobby, for that matter, but that is off topic.
I agree with you on mostly all except the new C8 is not cheaper. Take a look inside the C8 vs the GT500 and it will make you change your mind or not
Quote from: Shelby73 on February 24, 2020, 11:13:09 PM
The Corvette is cheaper because Chevy knows what their product is worth. How many Corvettes do you know of that have lasting beauty after 1972. The answer is (Almost none) The 63-67s are the best the rest get aged looking in a hurry. I predict the new one will be the same. The Gt-40 and the Ford Gts never look aged. Camaro was the same way it started good and every year they made it, it got uglier. I have some Chevys and I like them, I'm just tired of hearing about the new ones. They should be able to build a Corvette to go to Mars and back with the billions they robbed off the tax payers.
+ 1
Quote from: Don Johnston on February 25, 2020, 12:18:15 AM
I agree that the best Tupperware Chevys were in the 63 to 70 group though the C7 series created some excitement. I never owned any but did drive a few over the years. Some styles now make them look like stomped on Camaros. But they are still in business and allowing us choices. And I like the competition of style and innovation from Ford and Chevy. Rivalry is a good thing.
The new generation wants cars to sound like Star Fighters, not mean machines. Kinda like blower whine without the (g)rumble. 8)
Design is kaka??? You certainly have not visited a Chevrolet dealer and viewed the C8.
Imagine what a terrible design it is when everyone consisted it to a Ferrari...not a bad thing and especially at $60k
Quote from: madeulook on February 25, 2020, 07:49:36 AM
IMHO the design is KAKA - but it has to be a blast to drive - but bow ties are for little boyz
Yes, Interior wraps around you and is very driver-centric. But the exterior is just not for me. It has to be a blast to drive.
Stop feeding the troll
I see you are a Jimmy Soul fan
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 25, 2020, 08:25:16 AM
Quote from: madeulook on February 25, 2020, 07:49:36 AM
IMHO the design is KAKA - but it has to be a blast to drive - but bow ties are for little boyz
"Little boyz"? I don't know? You're packin' what you're packin'" ? Talks cheap.
In three years used C8's should be pretty affordable?
Cars are like wives. Some guys like porkers. Some Super Models. All have their drawbacks.
You have to know your limits. Get one you can drive and afford to keep?
"Never make a pretty woman your wife, if you wanna' be happy for the rest of your life, so from my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you!"
Beep Beep...
Quote from: Rickmustang on February 25, 2020, 10:10:27 AM
I have a buddy who married a super model. Everyone wanted to drive her. Divorced in 2 years. Been married to current model (ugly) for 25 years and very happy. Good strategy.
Love it ZR1 at 1/3 of the price of a GT with a V6....
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 25, 2020, 11:57:09 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on February 24, 2020, 04:55:46 PM
You have not been keeping up, let's answer your inquiries;
No we do not have one on order, we have expressed that we will wait to see if they have any bugs or maladies in its first year of production.
We will be driving the wheels out of this mass produced disposable super car. Then on to the next one
Of course the Mustangs outsells these two GM products. We love Mustangs, we own a few. But can't pass up this economical and much superior super car.
GM will trounce the GT500 and the GT once the ZR1 comes out at a rumored $150/160k..ouch !
Quote from: 683760 on February 24, 2020, 04:45:23 PM
I hope you have a vette on order and enjoy plastic machine that will take forever to appreciate if it does at all. The Vette will be short lived. The Mustang damn nears outsells Corvette and Camaro combined. Let's see GM make something that will compete against the GT.
A few weeks ago I walked out of a restaurant and the only car out there besides my Equinox was a new "grabber blue" Vette. I walked back in and talked to the engineer. Car was the 60K base model. When I asked him the price of a ZR-1 he was coy and couldn't quote me prices even though I'm also a GM employee. But after some bantering he pretty much said it would be about the same price as the current ZR-1. Well a LOADED top ZR-1 2019 I think would peg 150K and seen many with lower option packages at 135K(a friend tagged a company 2019 ZR-1 vert with the base option package with a few other options at 138K). So I think 150-160K sounds about right. Still a deal for what you are getting. About bugs in the first year? Well with all the delays and testing I hope they are gone. Gary
We have a good friend that trades his car in as the tires wears out
We bought a late model GT500 from him at a very reasonable ( half price at the time) price. Guess who has a C8 on order? That guy !
Quote from: 6R07mi on February 25, 2020, 11:59:31 AM
I just loved the article that revealed you have to pull the entire engine/trans to replace the drive belt!
"well, ya know it's no different than some Ferrari's that require engine removal for scheduled maintenance".......
everyone has their preference, and will drink the Kool-Aid because it's an emotional decision..
they will have the "new thing" that other's don't, or they feel kooler because.....
I don't expect others to validate my choices by publicizing, to see what responses are generated
IMHO
jp
I love the way you preach, great points you bring up. Its good to see another car guy. Yes I like Fords, Chevy, Pontiac, Mopars and really anything that runs on premium fuel. See you in church on Sunday
Quote from: Side-Oilers on February 25, 2020, 12:59:51 PM
I have nothing against the new Corvette. Cool engineering, great bang-for-the-buck, and it finally fulfills the decades-old mid-engine show car promise. I'd like to try one.
I love older Vettes, and have owned one C1 two C2 big blocks and two C3 big blocks.
I'm very glad that GM isn't still back in the Roger Smith era. The Corvette was nearly killed several times during its life, and I'm very happy to see GM now put such serious resources behind making a world-class sports car. Competition raises the bar for everyone, and life is good, right?
Imagine if we were having this discussion in 1966, about the Cobra 427 versus a Corvette 427. It could have been argued that who in their right mind would buy a Cobra with no top, side windows, heater, radio, etc, when you could get a fully loaded Corvette for less money?
Yes, the new GT500 vs Corvette scenario/argument is different, but it's still Ford vs Chevy, and thus lifelong biases (like rooting for sports teams) are ingrained. But that doesn't mean that one sucks and thus the other is polar-opposite great. They are both very cool cars, very quick (with more power still to come) and we're lucky to have them.
Let's check back on this argument in ten years when most of the new cars will be electric or hybrid. Silent cars, no matter how quick, are of zero interest to me. I drove my buddy's new $100,000 Tesla the other day and it was not exciting. Torquey and quick, yes, but a big part of the fun of acceleration to me is the engine/exhaust sound. And burning rubber. The Tesla is silent as a coffin, and has been 100% high-tech'ed out of spinning a tire. Boring.
I'm enjoying these days as the best the performance car industry has ever seen, or will ever see again. Fossil fuel rules!
This news flash just came in
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/2020-c8-mid-engine-corvette-stingray-launch/?sm_id=organic_fb_HRN_trueanthem&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=&utm_source=
Oh and one last thing tomatoe or tomato...
Ford's Bailout
Although Ford did not receive TARP funds, it did receive government loans. ... It requested a $9 billion line-of-credit from the government.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2012/08/29/automakers-report-card-who-still-owes-taxpayers-money-the-answer-might-surprise-you/
I had a Stingray bicycle back in the '60s but gave it up for a Mustang when I got my drivers license. Does that count? 8)
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on February 24, 2020, 04:34:03 PM
Well Biggie is a true blue Ford guy wearing blue tinted glasses. I don't even bother with a response.
+1
As a longtime GM employee the Vette shows how to do a world class sports/supercar for the masses. Ford never could.
+1
But the 900HP twin turbo ZR-1 sure isn't going to be lame and I'm betting the price would be in the ballpark of what Ford buyers paid 15 YEARS ago for a Ford GT.
+1
Want to know what LAME is? That since 1957 Ford has never come out with a car to compete in the Vette's class. Figure out why that is and let me know.
+1
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 07, 2020, 07:07:29 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 06, 2020, 10:14:24 PM
Biggie, fess up you know those GT350 / GT350 Rs are obsolete and stale
You betcha the new C8 is lame...so lame they sold out
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 06, 2020, 10:10:30 PM
Just like the 350R it only took a short while before peeps could get them at sticker.
The Corvette is lame.
Does it come with Leppard print underwear?
Well Biggie is a true blue Ford guy wearing blue tinted glasses. I don't even bother with a response. As a longtime GM employee the Vette shows how to do a world class sports/supercar for the masses. Ford never could. But the 900HP twin turbo ZR-1 sure isn't going to be lame and I'm betting the price would be in the ballpark of what Ford buyers paid 15 YEARS ago for a Ford GT. Want to know what LAME is? That since 1957 Ford has never come out with a car to compete in the Vette's class. Figure out why that is and let me know. :) Gary
If you love the corvette so much why are you on this forum?!
^^
I don't think you are the first to ask.
Aloha Chad because we do not limit ourselves to just one flavor.
We love cars!
Quote from: Chad on February 25, 2020, 03:32:16 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on February 24, 2020, 04:34:03 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 07, 2020, 07:07:29 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 06, 2020, 10:14:24 PM
Biggie, fess up you know those GT350 / GT350 Rs are obsolete and stale
You betcha the new C8 is lame...so lame they sold out
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 06, 2020, 10:10:30 PM
Just like the 350R it only took a short while before peeps could get them at sticker.
The Corvette is lame.
Does it come with Leppard print underwear?
Well Biggie is a true blue Ford guy wearing blue tinted glasses. I don't even bother with a response. As a longtime GM employee the Vette shows how to do a world class sports/supercar for the masses. Ford never could. But the 900HP twin turbo ZR-1 sure isn't going to be lame and I'm betting the price would be in the ballpark of what Ford buyers paid 15 YEARS ago for a Ford GT. Want to know what LAME is? That since 1957 Ford has never come out with a car to compete in the Vette's class. Figure out why that is and let me know. :) Gary
If you love the corvette so much why are you on this forum?!
Biggie good to hear from you !
Much love my brother!
Mahalo
Quote from: Bigfoot on February 25, 2020, 03:43:07 PM
^^
I don't think you are the first to ask.
Maybe when they make a Mustang out of fiberglass, we will get a better comparison. I think the comparisons were are better against a Camaro (when they build them) as a two door, four seat coupe competition.
+2 Sideoiler
The days of the ICE are numbered. Enjoy the new stuff while it's here cause my bet is it will be the last of the fossil fuel powered cars.
The days are actually more like decades due to increasing overall electricity demand, needed charging infrastructure and the fact that we are a long way off from providing sufficient non-fossil fuel power generation. And we have yet to figure how to fly our commercial and military planes on electricity. While more choices are coming available for EV vehicles, alternative energy generation to provide support has a long way to go.
Well stated
Quote from: Don Johnston on February 25, 2020, 05:30:05 PM
The days are actually more like decades due to increasing overall electricity demand, needed charging infrastructure and the fact that we are a long way off from providing sufficient non-fossil fuel power generation. And we have yet to figure how to fly our commercial and military planes on electricity. While more choices are coming available for EV vehicles, alternative energy generation to provide support has a long way to go.
Quote from: Don Johnston on February 25, 2020, 05:30:05 PM
The days are actually more like decades due to increasing overall electricity demand, needed charging infrastructure and the fact that we are a long way off from providing sufficient non-fossil fuel power generation. And we have yet to figure how to fly our commercial and military planes on electricity. While more choices are coming available for EV vehicles, alternative energy generation to provide support has a long way to go.
None of this means gas guzzling sports cars will be continuing.
If they don't disappear on their own due to the shame of political correctness, they will be legislated or taxed out of existence.
I agree with 2112. Enjoy these days. Regardless of how long it will take, they will end.
I won't be around forever, either.
+1 enjoy the moment as history has a tendency to repeat itself
Quote from: 2112 on February 25, 2020, 06:06:06 PM
Quote from: Don Johnston on February 25, 2020, 05:30:05 PM
The days are actually more like decades due to increasing overall electricity demand, needed charging infrastructure and the fact that we are a long way off from providing sufficient non-fossil fuel power generation. And we have yet to figure how to fly our commercial and military planes on electricity. While more choices are coming available for EV vehicles, alternative energy generation to provide support has a long way to go.
None of this means gas guzzling sports cars will be continuing.
If they don't disappear on their own due to the shame of political correctness, they will be legislated or taxed out of existence.
We are reliving the muscle car renaissance period again
Quote from: Side-Oilers on February 25, 2020, 06:29:26 PM
I agree with 2112. Enjoy these days. Regardless of how long it will take, they will end.
I won't be around forever, either.
Not seeing a lot of electric black supersize SUV government vehicles around yet. ::)
QuoteNot seeing a lot of electric black supersize SUV government vehicles around yet.
A s usual, do as I say Not as I do.... >:(
TOB
This constant bickering between enthusiasts of Ford and Chevy goes all the way to the top and just benefits the heck out of everything to us, the consumers.
I say let them battle it out.
In the end, it just makes everything better.
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 26, 2020, 10:31:14 AM
This constant bickering between enthusiasts of Ford and Chevy goes all the way to the top and just benefits the heck out of everything to us, the consumers.
I say let them battle it out.
In the end, it just makes everything better.
+1
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on February 25, 2020, 02:19:11 PM
Oh and one last thing tomatoe or tomato...
Ford's Bailout
Although Ford did not receive TARP funds, it did receive government loans. ... It requested a $9 billion line-of-credit from the government.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2012/08/29/automakers-report-card-who-still-owes-taxpayers-money-the-answer-might-surprise-you/
Tony, I have shared that link probably at least a 100 times to uneducated Ford lovers. AS far as the last article I read Ford still owes the govt 5.9 BILLION in a loan they got the SAME MONTH Gm and Chrysler got their loans(repay by 2021). The only reason Ford didn't need what the other 2 did were their mortgaging the blue oval a few years earlier( private funding which wasn't there in 2009)) because they were in a bad place and they asked for money IF THEY NEEDED it back when the big 3 CEOS flew to DC in 2008. Enough of a history lesson. The money Ford got came out of a fund for electric technology I believe. Ford used it to revamp their truck plants and develop the Eco-boost. So I say the FORD GT-built with taxpayer money. LOL. BTW Toyota and a lot of suppliers also got money out of the same fund Ford did but Ford got the lion's share. It is all out there and easy to find on the 'net. Gary
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 26, 2020, 10:31:14 AM
This constant bickering between enthusiasts of Ford and Chevy goes all the way to the top and just benefits the heck out of everything to us, the consumers.
I say let them battle it out.
In the end, it just makes everything better.
Bickering. I love Chevies. I love Fords. I love Mopars.... The bickering are one brand closed minded individuals in my book. I have tired of all the GM bashing from Ford only lovers. Especially when they are ignorant of history. I have been fortunate to drive our Vettes, Caddy Vs and Camaros. Besides not having an equal to the Vette since 1957 has Ford ever built a luxury performance car like the Caddy Vs? Nope. When someone questions why Tony is here because of his GM connection just remember that Shelbys at one time were built with GM engines and if it wasn't for the Corvette Cobras would have been racing with Chevy engines...... Gary
Bickering. ;)
In the end WE the consumers benefit as THEY Ford and Chevy will have to conform to the buyers
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 26, 2020, 10:31:14 AM
This constant bickering between enthusiasts of Ford and Chevy goes all the way to the top and just benefits the heck out of everything to us, the consumers.
I say let them battle it out.
In the end, it just makes everything better.
Hi Gary
What happens here, in other forums and even in life passion and blind faith kicks in. Not allowing you to make a rational decision.
I see it very simple, GM has an extraordinary value proposition that at this moment no one can touch. The base C8 at $60k will keep up with all the big boys Ferrari, Lamborghini etc.
We should be proud as Americans that this vehicle the C8 is being compared to these icons.
And no I am not trying to piss off or troll anyone, I am a realist that sees a great American product at a very obtainable price for the average person.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 26, 2020, 10:49:12 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on February 25, 2020, 02:19:11 PM
Oh and one last thing tomatoe or tomato...
Ford's Bailout
Although Ford did not receive TARP funds, it did receive government loans. ... It requested a $9 billion line-of-credit from the government.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2012/08/29/automakers-report-card-who-still-owes-taxpayers-money-the-answer-might-surprise-you/
Tony, I have shared that link probably at least a 100 times to uneducated Ford lovers. AS far as the last article I read Ford still owes the govt 5.9 BILLION in a loan they got the SAME MONTH Gm and Chrysler got their loans(repay by 2021). The only reason Ford didn't need what the other 2 did were their mortgaging the blue oval a few years earlier( private funding which wasn't there in 2009)) because they were in a bad place and they asked for money IF THEY NEEDED it back when the big 3 CEOS flew to DC in 2008. Enough of a history lesson. The money Ford got came out of a fund for electric technology I believe. Ford used it to revamp their truck plants and develop the Eco-boost. So I say the FORD GT-built with taxpayer money. LOL. BTW Toyota and a lot of suppliers also got money out of the same fund Ford did but Ford got the lion's share. It is all out there and easy to find on the 'net. Gary
Competition is good for the breed. GM called the tune. Call or fold.
The GT500 pays tribute to the Shelby Brand, the corvette is just another car that's trying to be Italian but just not quite there. If one wanted a Ferrari then you should buy the real thing not a knock on GM product :-)..... How about GM building it to pay homage to a 67 corvette, then you're talking.
IMHO, GM had to migrate to a mid-engine design because that's where all the world class hyper cars were and this is a global market.
The upside is that GM has the engineering resources to design and build a quality car at a bargain price, compared to its competitors. But never forget that Detroit led the world in front engine/rear drive performance vehicles, such as C1/7 Corvettes and Shelby Mustangs. One reason, I believe, is the OHV V8. For decades, "sophisticated" enthusiasts would tsk tsk OHV engines compared to OHC configurations. But the C8 has the LT2 that delivers world class performance. That's because over the decades, Detroit refined V8s that delivered power and were daily driver durable.
Yeah, there's rumored a DOHC V8 down the road, but I'll take the OHV engine. It maybe old school, but it's very refined old school.
Count me in the "I love pushrods" camp.
A corvette thread with no responses from CorvetteMike?!? So sad.
Our beloved Mustang looks more like a pregnant carp then a serious muscle car. :-[ Ford already has the platform to unleash the baddest performance car on the planet if they choose to do so. The FORD GT could become the mustang, if they got their head out of their tail pipe. If GM can produce a 200 mph beauty queen for 60k FORD could do it as well. Will the non beauty queen stay the same year after year as an ugly duckling with 1000 HP? Hopefully not change is difficult but good. Henry Ford hated change he felt the model T should remain with a lot of in fighting. Then the model A came along and the masses loved it, he wanted that to remain longer as well but the 32S came along with the new flathead v8 and the world changed forever. In my eyes something similar is going on as we discuss this. The real problem as I see it is that NON CAR TYPES are running corporate America and they dont seem to understand or care what people want! The aftermarket gets what people want ... Been to a S E M A show... Holy Cow they get it... ;)
Quote from: 427heaven on February 26, 2020, 11:10:42 PM
Our beloved Mustang looks more like a pregnant carp then a serious muscle car. :-[ Ford already has the platform to unleash the baddest performance car on the planet if they choose to do so. The FORD GT could become the mustang, if they got their head out of their tail pipe. If GM can produce a 200 mph beauty queen for 60k FORD could do it as well. Will the non beauty queen stay the same year after year as an ugly duckling with 1000 HP? Hopefully not change is difficult but good. Henry Ford hated change he felt the model T should remain with a lot of in fighting. Then the model A came along and the masses loved it, he wanted that to remain longer as well but the 32S came along with the new flathead v8 and the world changed forever. In my eyes something similar is going on as we discuss this. The real problem as I see it is that NON CAR TYPES are running corporate America and they dont seem to understand or care what people want! The aftermarket gets what people want ... Been to a S E M A show... Holy Cow they get it... ;)
It used to be tall and lean like Shelby. Now it's short and humped up like Quasimodo.
Is the head of the design team a non-comital he/she or a she/he with a manbun and purple suede high heels? I wonder?
It's a pity how the mighty have fallen into a cespool of global gender variance and customers who think the Nissan Cube is the coolest thing to "wear"?
Is it "Prince's" fault?
I remember when Ford Corporate folks started showing up at SAAC Conventions, tell us how influential we were, but told us to stop asking us for jobs at Ford. Maybe they should have listened?
You can establish yourself with building something like the Ford GT as elite but with the infinitely small numbers you build them in, just show your attitude of elitism and "don't tell us how to build anything" lectures.
It was the little folks who made Ford a winner at Lemans but it all just went to support the ego of the Emperor who owned the little people anyway?
Where is this all going? It can't be good?
Did Ford ever understand that the concept was Jack the Giant killer? I have my doubts.
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 27, 2020, 07:49:56 AM
Quote from: 427heaven on February 26, 2020, 11:10:42 PM
Our beloved Mustang looks more like a pregnant carp then a serious muscle car. :-[ Ford already has the platform to unleash the baddest performance car on the planet if they choose to do so. The FORD GT could become the mustang, if they got their head out of their tail pipe. If GM can produce a 200 mph beauty queen for 60k FORD could do it as well. Will the non beauty queen stay the same year after year as an ugly duckling with 1000 HP? Hopefully not change is difficult but good. Henry Ford hated change he felt the model T should remain with a lot of in fighting. Then the model A came along and the masses loved it, he wanted that to remain longer as well but the 32S came along with the new flathead v8 and the world changed forever. In my eyes something similar is going on as we discuss this. The real problem as I see it is that NON CAR TYPES are running corporate America and they dont seem to understand or care what people want! The aftermarket gets what people want ... Been to a S E M A show... Holy Cow they get it... ;)
It used to be tall and lean like Shelby. Now it's short and humped up like Quasimodo.
Is the head of the design team a non-comital he/she or a she/he with a manbun and purple suede high heels? I wonder?
It's a pity how the mighty have fallen into a cespool of global gender variance and customers who think the Nissan Cube is the coolest thing to "wear"?
Is it "Prince's" fault?
I remember when Ford Corporate folks started showing up at SAAC Conventions, tell us how influential we were, but told us to stop asking us for jobs at Ford. Maybe they should have listened?
You can establish yourself with building something like the Ford GT as elite but with the infinitely small numbers you build them in, just show your attitude of elitism and "don't tell us how to build anything" lectures.
It was the little folks who made Ford a winner at Lemans but it all just went to support the ego of the Emperor who owned the little people anyway?
Where is this all going? It can't be good?
Did Ford ever understand that the concept was Jack the Giant killer? I have my doubts.
Doug, I get your frustration but let's face it, you and I aren't the market that Ford is targeting. I'm sure your father or grandfather said the same things about the mustang. Throw away car, ladies car, tin can, ugly, unsafe, etc.... see what I mean it is all perspective with what you grew up with and Ford is driven to focus on branding their vehicles to the next generation. They know most of us aren't going to spend $$ on a new mustangs because we are nostalgic of the past.
You could say yeah but WE (our generation) can afford to purchase a new car and the 20's something can't. Thats not true, they probably can't pay cash, but they have no issue financing a vehicle.
When our generation dies off (oh yes we all will) and Ford didn't try to move ahead, they would die as well. Ford will be around long after you and I are long gone.
Relax, enjoy the ride and love the vintage antique cars like we all do.
They certainly drew a line for all auto manufacturer's
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 26, 2020, 05:13:01 PM
Competition is good for the breed. GM called the tune. Call or fold.
Totally disagree, the C8 is 100% American
Why buy a Fellali when you can have the equivalent, no let me correct myself ... a better vehicle for a percentage of that temperamental, unreliable, the locals wouldn't know where to start to fix it, I cant take it out because some may hurt it steal it forgein P.O.S ...
As far as the GT500 you always have to remember that is abd always will be an SVT vehicle paying royalties to use the Shelby name plates.
Unlike the original ones and the ones made today by S A.
Quote from: Greg on February 26, 2020, 06:20:58 PM
The GT500 pays tribute to the Shelby Brand, the corvette is just another car that's trying to be Italian but just not quite there. If one wanted a Ferrari then you should buy the real thing not a knock on GM product :-)..... How about GM building it to pay homage to a 67 corvette, then you're talking.
Love what you said but Ford is not going to make it happen
Let go of their exclusive cash cow and make an affordable world super car for 60 to 150k ...blasphemy !
Quote from: 427heaven on February 26, 2020, 11:10:42 PM
Our beloved Mustang looks more like a pregnant carp then a serious muscle car. :-[ Ford already has the platform to unleash the baddest performance car on the planet if they choose to do so. The FORD GT could become the mustang, if they got their head out of their tail pipe. If GM can produce a 200 mph beauty queen for 60k FORD could do it as well. Will the non beauty queen stay the same year after year as an ugly duckling with 1000 HP? Hopefully not change is difficult but good. Henry Ford hated change he felt the model T should remain with a lot of in fighting. Then the model A came along and the masses loved it, he wanted that to remain longer as well but the 32S came along with the new flathead v8 and the world changed forever. In my eyes something similar is going on as we discuss this. The real problem as I see it is that NON CAR TYPES are running corporate America and they dont seem to understand or care what people want! The aftermarket gets what people want ... Been to a S E M A show... Holy Cow they get it... ;)
Lets see I grew up a few miles from Dearborn. My dad pretty much always drove Fords until a POS Fairmont pushed him to Buicks in 1981( I got the car from him but didn't have it long..). I grew up driving in Falcons, Mustangs, station wagons, Galaxies and ,arghh, a Maverick whose doors rusted through in about 2 years. So to say I was a Ford guy growing up is true. Then I started noticing Mopars and GM and AMC products. Owned many back in my youth but 69-70 Mustangs were my favorites(why couldn't it be 71 Cudas..). My first 2 new cars were Chevies and bought before I worked for GM with a GM discount and owning numerous Mustangs at the time. I could have bought Fords at the time with the Ford employee discount and still can to this day. My Mom and father-in-law both worked at Ford for their careers in Dearborn. It is a shame those who have only owned Fords never had the experience of owning other brands due to their loyalty. The trashing from some here on the new Vette is just ridiculous and to me it is downright jealousy because Ford isn't or can't do the same. Go ahead and hate it because Ford didn't build it(I'm sure the same gushed over the 450K plus rear engined 6 cyl Ford GT) but I'm proud my company did. Gary
+1 agreed !
You can establish yourself with building something like the Ford GT as elite but with the infinitely small numbers you build them in, just show your attitude of elitism and "don't tell us how to build anything" lectures.
It was the little folks who made Ford a winner at Lemans but it all just went to support the ego of the Emperor who owned the little people anyway?
Where is this all going? It can't be good?
Did Ford ever understand that the concept was Jack the Giant killer? I have my doubts.
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 27, 2020, 07:49:56 AM
Quote from: 427heaven on February 26, 2020, 11:10:42 PM
Our beloved Mustang looks more like a pregnant carp then a serious muscle car. :-[ Ford already has the platform to unleash the baddest performance car on the planet if they choose to do so. The FORD GT could become the mustang, if they got their head out of their tail pipe. If GM can produce a 200 mph beauty queen for 60k FORD could do it as well. Will the non beauty queen stay the same year after year as an ugly duckling with 1000 HP? Hopefully not change is difficult but good. Henry Ford hated change he felt the model T should remain with a lot of in fighting. Then the model A came along and the masses loved it, he wanted that to remain longer as well but the 32S came along with the new flathead v8 and the world changed forever. In my eyes something similar is going on as we discuss this. The real problem as I see it is that NON CAR TYPES are running corporate America and they dont seem to understand or care what people want! The aftermarket gets what people want ... Been to a S E M A show... Holy Cow they get it... ;)
It used to be tall and lean like Shelby. Now it's short and humped up like Quasimodo.
Is the head of the design team a non-comital he/she or a she/he with a manbun and purple suede high heels? I wonder?
It's a pity how the mighty have fallen into a cespool of global gender variance and customers who think the Nissan Cube is the coolest thing to "wear"?
Is it "Prince's" fault?
I remember when Ford Corporate folks started showing up at SAAC Conventions, tell us how influential we were, but told us to stop asking us for jobs at Ford. Maybe they should have listened?
You can establish yourself with building something like the Ford GT as elite but with the infinitely small numbers you build them in, just show your attitude of elitism and "don't tell us how to build anything" lectures.
It was the little folks who made Ford a winner at Lemans but it all just went to support the ego of the Emperor who owned the little people anyway?
Where is this all going? It can't be good?
Did Ford ever understand that the concept was Jack the Giant killer? I have my doubts.
Quote from: Greg on February 27, 2020, 08:13:45 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 27, 2020, 07:49:56 AM
Quote from: 427heaven on February 26, 2020, 11:10:42 PM
Our beloved Mustang looks more like a pregnant carp then a serious muscle car. :-[ Ford already has the platform to unleash the baddest performance car on the planet if they choose to do so. The FORD GT could become the mustang, if they got their head out of their tail pipe. If GM can produce a 200 mph beauty queen for 60k FORD could do it as well. Will the non beauty queen stay the same year after year as an ugly duckling with 1000 HP? Hopefully not change is difficult but good. Henry Ford hated change he felt the model T should remain with a lot of in fighting. Then the model A came along and the masses loved it, he wanted that to remain longer as well but the 32S came along with the new flathead v8 and the world changed forever. In my eyes something similar is going on as we discuss this. The real problem as I see it is that NON CAR TYPES are running corporate America and they dont seem to understand or care what people want! The aftermarket gets what people want ... Been to a S E M A show... Holy Cow they get it... ;)
It used to be tall and lean like Shelby. Now it's short and humped up like Quasimodo.
Is the head of the design team a non-comital he/she or a she/he with a manbun and purple suede high heels? I wonder?
It's a pity how the mighty have fallen into a cespool of global gender variance and customers who think the Nissan Cube is the coolest thing to "wear"?
Is it "Prince's" fault?
I remember when Ford Corporate folks started showing up at SAAC Conventions, tell us how influential we were, but told us to stop asking us for jobs at Ford. Maybe they should have listened?
You can establish yourself with building something like the Ford GT as elite but with the infinitely small numbers you build them in, just show your attitude of elitism and "don't tell us how to build anything" lectures.
It was the little folks who made Ford a winner at Lemans but it all just went to support the ego of the Emperor who owned the little people anyway?
Where is this all going? It can't be good?
Did Ford ever understand that the concept was Jack the Giant killer? I have my doubts.
Doug, I get your frustration but let's face it, you and I aren't the market that Ford is targeting. I'm sure your father or grandfather said the same things about the mustang. Throw away car, ladies car, tin can, ugly, unsafe, etc.... see what I mean it is all perspective with what you grew up with and Ford is driven to focus on branding their vehicles to the next generation. They know most of us aren't going to spend $$ on a new mustangs because we are nostalgic of the past.
You could say yeah but WE (our generation) can afford to purchase a new car and the 20's something can't. Thats not true, they probably can't pay cash, but they have no issue financing a vehicle.
When our generation dies off (oh yes we all will) and Ford didn't try to move ahead, they would die as well. Ford will be around long after you and I are long gone.
Relax, enjoy the ride and love the vintage antique cars like we all do.
I'm not lost. I know I can't be everything to everyone.
I acknowledge that I am a dinosaur but prefer to think of it as a Tyrannosaurus Rex. An ultimate. One that still inspires awe and fear.
I certainly still make the ground tremble. I'm good with that. I'm VERY good with that.
I don't think that even a car company can be everything to everyone. They try but just rustle feathers and classify us, then rate us. Apparently though, I'm still influential?
I just overheard a whisper just the other day, "what's wrong with him?"
"You gotta believe in something
If you don't you will be lost
You gotta believe in someone
No matter the cost" - CSN
The "Prophets" have spoken. ;)
+ 1 agreed enjoy the moment
When our generation dies off (oh yes we all will) and Ford didn't try to move ahead, they would die as well. Ford will be around long after you and I are long gone.
Relax, enjoy the ride and love the vintage antique cars like we all do.
Quote from: Greg on February 27, 2020, 08:13:45 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 27, 2020, 07:49:56 AM
Quote from: 427heaven on February 26, 2020, 11:10:42 PM
Our beloved Mustang looks more like a pregnant carp then a serious muscle car. :-[ Ford already has the platform to unleash the baddest performance car on the planet if they choose to do so. The FORD GT could become the mustang, if they got their head out of their tail pipe. If GM can produce a 200 mph beauty queen for 60k FORD could do it as well. Will the non beauty queen stay the same year after year as an ugly duckling with 1000 HP? Hopefully not change is difficult but good. Henry Ford hated change he felt the model T should remain with a lot of in fighting. Then the model A came along and the masses loved it, he wanted that to remain longer as well but the 32S came along with the new flathead v8 and the world changed forever. In my eyes something similar is going on as we discuss this. The real problem as I see it is that NON CAR TYPES are running corporate America and they dont seem to understand or care what people want! The aftermarket gets what people want ... Been to a S E M A show... Holy Cow they get it... ;)
It used to be tall and lean like Shelby. Now it's short and humped up like Quasimodo.
Is the head of the design team a non-comital he/she or a she/he with a manbun and purple suede high heels? I wonder?
It's a pity how the mighty have fallen into a cespool of global gender variance and customers who think the Nissan Cube is the coolest thing to "wear"?
Is it "Prince's" fault?
I remember when Ford Corporate folks started showing up at SAAC Conventions, tell us how influential we were, but told us to stop asking us for jobs at Ford. Maybe they should have listened?
You can establish yourself with building something like the Ford GT as elite but with the infinitely small numbers you build them in, just show your attitude of elitism and "don't tell us how to build anything" lectures.
It was the little folks who made Ford a winner at Lemans but it all just went to support the ego of the Emperor who owned the little people anyway?
Where is this all going? It can't be good?
Did Ford ever understand that the concept was Jack the Giant killer? I have my doubts.
Doug, I get your frustration but let's face it, you and I aren't the market that Ford is targeting. I'm sure your father or grandfather said the same things about the mustang. Throw away car, ladies car, tin can, ugly, unsafe, etc.... see what I mean it is all perspective with what you grew up with and Ford is driven to focus on branding their vehicles to the next generation. They know most of us aren't going to spend $$ on a new mustangs because we are nostalgic of the past.
You could say yeah but WE (our generation) can afford to purchase a new car and the 20's something can't. Thats not true, they probably can't pay cash, but they have no issue financing a vehicle.
When our generation dies off (oh yes we all will) and Ford didn't try to move ahead, they would die as well. Ford will be around long after you and I are long gone.
Relax, enjoy the ride and love the vintage antique cars like we all do.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on February 27, 2020, 09:00:31 AM
+ 1 agreed enjoy the moment
When our generation dies off (oh yes we all will) and Ford didn't try to move ahead, they would die as well. Ford will be around long after you and I are long gone.
Relax, enjoy the ride and love the vintage antique cars like we all do.
Quote from: Greg on February 27, 2020, 08:13:45 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 27, 2020, 07:49:56 AM
Quote from: 427heaven on February 26, 2020, 11:10:42 PM
Our beloved Mustang looks more like a pregnant carp then a serious muscle car. :-[ Ford already has the platform to unleash the baddest performance car on the planet if they choose to do so. The FORD GT could become the mustang, if they got their head out of their tail pipe. If GM can produce a 200 mph beauty queen for 60k FORD could do it as well. Will the non beauty queen stay the same year after year as an ugly duckling with 1000 HP? Hopefully not change is difficult but good. Henry Ford hated change he felt the model T should remain with a lot of in fighting. Then the model A came along and the masses loved it, he wanted that to remain longer as well but the 32S came along with the new flathead v8 and the world changed forever. In my eyes something similar is going on as we discuss this. The real problem as I see it is that NON CAR TYPES are running corporate America and they dont seem to understand or care what people want! The aftermarket gets what people want ... Been to a S E M A show... Holy Cow they get it... ;)
It used to be tall and lean like Shelby. Now it's short and humped up like Quasimodo.
Is the head of the design team a non-comital he/she or a she/he with a manbun and purple suede high heels? I wonder?
It's a pity how the mighty have fallen into a cespool of global gender variance and customers who think the Nissan Cube is the coolest thing to "wear"?
Is it "Prince's" fault?
I remember when Ford Corporate folks started showing up at SAAC Conventions, tell us how influential we were, but told us to stop asking us for jobs at Ford. Maybe they should have listened?
You can establish yourself with building something like the Ford GT as elite but with the infinitely small numbers you build them in, just show your attitude of elitism and "don't tell us how to build anything" lectures.
It was the little folks who made Ford a winner at Lemans but it all just went to support the ego of the Emperor who owned the little people anyway?
Where is this all going? It can't be good?
Did Ford ever understand that the concept was Jack the Giant killer? I have my doubts.
Doug, I get your frustration but let's face it, you and I aren't the market that Ford is targeting. I'm sure your father or grandfather said the same things about the mustang. Throw away car, ladies car, tin can, ugly, unsafe, etc.... see what I mean it is all perspective with what you grew up with and Ford is driven to focus on branding their vehicles to the next generation. They know most of us aren't going to spend $$ on a new mustangs because we are nostalgic of the past.
You could say yeah but WE (our generation) can afford to purchase a new car and the 20's something can't. Thats not true, they probably can't pay cash, but they have no issue financing a vehicle.
When our generation dies off (oh yes we all will) and Ford didn't try to move ahead, they would die as well. Ford will be around long after you and I are long gone.
Relax, enjoy the ride and love the vintage antique cars like we all do.
'Been enjoying the ride for over 50 years and still going. It's one thing that doesn't constantly need to be re-invented.
When I appear in a white flash, late at night, it creates tales spoken amongst the locals? Is it real? Is it a ghost? Stories of seeing a roaring white flash with a driver with flowing white hair disappearing into the darkness of the night!
Oh, I'm ok with the ride alright. Is Ford?
Folks we have several Shelbys, F150 and an Expedition. But you need to step back take a deep breath and smell the coffee. Actually FoMoCo needs to do this also asap....
A friend called me yesterday and asked if I could come by to see his new C8 with the after market wheels he just put on.
Let's just say stunning !
Those wheels looks great. Really classy improvement. Did he let you drive it?
Looks like a Fiero on steroids.
I'm not a fan of the black eyebrow scoop on the sides. Would look better body-color, IMO.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on April 01, 2020, 10:54:11 PM
I'm not a fan of the black eyebrow scoop on the sides. Would look better body-color, IMO.
If body color, the average customer might miss the styling cue that's supposed to link this car to your fond memories of early Mustangs. Just kidding.
I actually like the black eyebrows. Just personal taste I suppose.
Steve
Quote from: Shelby73 on April 01, 2020, 09:47:01 PM
Looks like a Fiero on steroids.
So I guess that would make Shelby's just a Falcon on Steroids?
Quote from: s2ms on January 06, 2020, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 06, 2020, 10:14:24 PM
Biggie, fess up you know those GT350 / GT350 Rs are obsolete and stale
There will always be something newer and faster.
However, shifting a flat plane crank VooDoo at 8,000+ RPM will never be obsolete or stale, quite the opposite IMO...
Amen!!!
Quote from: Side-Oilers on April 01, 2020, 10:54:11 PM
I'm not a fan of the black eyebrow scoop on the sides. Would look better body-color, IMO.
That is why I want mine in black. Gary
Yall know why they call them voodoo???
Because Ford cant figure out why they use so much oil and then go pop !
Lmao
Quote from: Chad on April 02, 2020, 09:14:00 AM
Quote from: s2ms on January 06, 2020, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on January 06, 2020, 10:14:24 PM
Biggie, fess up you know those GT350 / GT350 Rs are obsolete and stale
There will always be something newer and faster.
However, shifting a flat plane crank VooDoo at 8,000+ RPM will never be obsolete or stale, quite the opposite IMO...
Amen!!!
+1
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on April 02, 2020, 09:30:07 AM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on April 01, 2020, 10:54:11 PM
I'm not a fan of the black eyebrow scoop on the sides. Would look better body-color, IMO.
That is why I want mine in black. Gary
Great catch I agree great styling borrowed from the Mach
Quote from: SFM6S087 on April 02, 2020, 04:00:50 AM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on April 01, 2020, 10:54:11 PM
I'm not a fan of the black eyebrow scoop on the sides. Would look better body-color, IMO.
If body color, the average customer might miss the styling cue that's supposed to link this car to your fond memories of early Mustangs. Just kidding.
I actually like the black eyebrows. Just personal taste I suppose.
Steve
Fixed that for you with my magical marker...
Quote from: Side-Oilers on April 01, 2020, 10:54:11 PM
I'm not a fan of the black eyebrow scoop on the sides. Would look better body-color, IMO.
Then the new GT500 at 4300 pounds looks like a Falcon on a strict diet of apple pies...lol
Quote from: Shelby73 on April 01, 2020, 09:47:01 PM
Looks like a Fiero on steroids.
Car is sizzling and yes it does exceed expectations. Cant wait for a ZR1 version should be very interesting
Quote from: Side-Oilers on April 01, 2020, 09:25:48 PM
Those wheels looks great. Really classy improvement. Did he let you drive it?
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on April 02, 2020, 09:34:58 AM
Great catch I agree great styling borrowed from the Mach
Quote from: SFM6S087 on April 02, 2020, 04:00:50 AM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on April 01, 2020, 10:54:11 PM
I'm not a fan of the black eyebrow scoop on the sides. Would look better body-color, IMO.
If body color, the average customer might miss the styling cue that's supposed to link this car to your fond memories of early Mustangs. Just kidding.
I actually like the black eyebrows. Just personal taste I suppose.
Steve
nowadays just about any car built you can pick off styling cues from another car. Gary
[/quote]nowadays just about any car built you can pick off styling cues from another car. Gary
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Very true. Sometimes I think that I am looking at a restyled Mclaren. 8)
Soon there will be a Kia that will look just like it.
Quote from: roddster on April 04, 2020, 11:50:39 AM
Soon there will be a Kia that will look just like it.
unfortunately, that is very likely gonna be true!
Actually it looks pretty hot in red and the selected rims are choice. I hate to admit liking a GM product due to residual high school feelings but it does look hot.
In the end we will all drive vehicles that we will not be able to access anything or have the ability to modify