This photo was in my file noted as Riverside 1966.
Based on the details I have it narrowed down to one of two CSX#'s. Anyone know for certain?
(We know it's not csx2287.)
Rich,
I'm not certain that's RIR. And CS looks older/greyer than in other photos from '66.
Also, note the low profile tires and daisy wheels on the GT350.
Plus the long hair on the fellow on the left. Not a 1966 look. His shoes too.
I'm going to guess late '70s or early '80s.
I'm guessing CSX2602 based on some other photos I've seen of that car. The guy beside Shelby looks like Gordon Gimbel.
Dave
Quote from: Side-Oilers on January 22, 2020, 10:13:22 PM
Rich,
I'm not certain that's RIR. And CS looks older/greyer than in other photos from '66.
Also, note the low profile tires and daisy wheels on the GT350.
Plus the long hair on the fellow on the left. Not a 1966 look. His shoes too.
I'm going to guess late '70s or early '80s.
Yea, I think your right about the date being wrong. It doesn't look like Riverside to me either.
Daisy wheels started showing up on the 69 Boss 302s in Trans Am racing.
Thanks for the reply.
Ontario Speedway ?? Mid 70's SAAC 3 or possibly a movie or commercial shoot ??
I think that is the first one I have seen with Dual Vents on the top of the Drivers Side Fender.
Yes, could possibly be Ontario.
Anyone else think the low profile tires on the GT350 look more modern than what was available in late '70s?
Quote from: CSX4781 on January 22, 2020, 10:20:10 PM
I'm guessing CSX2602 based on some other photos I've seen of that car. The guy beside Shelby looks like Gordon Gimbel.
Dave
Thanks. CSX2602 is one of my guesses. It looks very similar to csx2601.
The small hood and cowl scoops look nearly identical to each other, but different than all the other Coupes (in '65).
Quote from: tesgt350 on January 22, 2020, 10:46:33 PM
I think that is the first one I have seen with Dual Vents on the top of the Drivers Side Fender.
By '65 they all had dual cowl scoops/vents and at least a hood vent/scoop on the driver's side.
CSX2299 had hood vents/scoops on both sides at Daytona in addition to the dual cowl vent/scoops.
That's Jim Wallace next to Gordon.
Jim was the President of COCOA Orange County 1975.
He had street driving privileges in the Coupe when owned by Shoen and even brought one to the monthly meeting at Pacific Stereo/ Anaheim via the I-5 Fwy!
Carroll used to show up at the meetings just to kick tires and make small talk. Totally approachable.
He was a Chili salesman.
Camp Upshur, good info thanks.
Were you a member of OC COCOA? Did you know Randy Hermans? I think he was a member. He had a '65 GT350. Very nice guy. I rode with him to the '81 Monterey Historics. He let me drive a while too. Huge thrill for me.
Yes, I was a member of COCOA OC and yes I knew Randy Hermans. He and Jim 'recruited' me to COCOA OC from a COCOA LA meeting at Galpin Ford 1974~.
Randy had an outstanding 65 350 then which he sold and then got another shortly thereafter. Very nice guy, I seem to recall he was aspiring to dental school ?? at the time.
Man, that was a long time ago. Thanks for bringing that up!
Randy H is a dentist in Camarillo.
I'm going to say it's CSX2299. Shoen owned it by 12/69. CSX2602 was not owned by him until 1973. From 1967 to 1973 CSX2602 was red and in storage.
its 2299 side pipes are different
Thanks camp upshur and TA22 for the info on Randy. IIRC, he was a dental student in '81. I got my love of GT350s from his car.
I was a semi-regular at Galpin COCOA meetings in the '81-84 time period. Still good friends with Tom Mc and Lynn.
I don't believe it is 2299. 2299 had the "taller" windshield/roof. From the back to the front, the side window
opening was larger (taller) at the front and tapered down to the rear. See SAAC Registry pages 403and 405
to compare windshield height. Also, page 396 for explanation.
I believe it is 2602.
Page 402: "Shoen brokered the car for Carroll Shelby who brought it back to the U.S. and delivered
it to Mike McClusky in Torrance, California for a ground up restoration. The car was completed in time for SAAC -9
in Anaheim, California and the Monterey Historics in 1983, when Ford was the honored marque."
Spoke with Jim W at length last night. He is out of town and will review the photo tonight to see if he can remember the date and/or the event at Ontario. His tentative belief is the event was the Mustang II intro............. will follow-up. Definitely csx2602, he drove this car frequently during this time period.
I'm going to side with Dave and Tom on this photo as being CSX2602.
The drivers side cowl vent/scoop looks like a match. On csx2299 the cowl vent/scoop is tall and round. That doesn't match the photo where it is low and flat. I also noticed csx2299 had a white roundel on it back in 75, at Willow Springs. (Not sure if it was painted on or not). Back in '82, it appears csx2602 had the same white painted rims.
2602 has air jack connections on both sides of cowl 2299 only has it on rt side
Could the location of the picture be McCluskey's, with the Torrance airport in the background?
Quote from: gt350shelb on January 23, 2020, 03:27:57 PM
2602 has air jack connections on both sides of cowl 2299 only has it on rt side
The air jack connection is visible on csx2602 in '65 at Daytona. However they seem to disappear by the time the car arrives overseas. I don't see them at the Nurburgring or at Le Mans.
Quote from: sd427 on January 23, 2020, 04:37:47 PM
Could the location of the picture be McCluskey's, with the Torrance airport in the background?
Not McCluskey's shop at the Torrance Airport. I've been there many times and there's not the kind of open spaces as in the photo. Not even in 1970s/80s or whenever the pix was taken.
I'm betting on Ontario Motor Speedway.
Quote from: TA22 (Gary Goeringer) on January 23, 2020, 02:00:50 PM
Spoke with Jim W at length last night. He is out of town and will review the photo tonight to see if he can remember the date and/or the event at Ontario. His tentative belief is the event was the Mustang II intro............. will follow-up. Definitely csx2602, he drove this car frequently during this time period.
Anyone know where the Mustang II west coast press intro was held? I do not. (That's some trivia that I never thought we'd be asking.)
Quote from: Side-Oilers on January 23, 2020, 09:16:23 PM
Quote from: TA22 (Gary Goeringer) on January 23, 2020, 02:00:50 PM
Spoke with Jim W at length last night. He is out of town and will review the photo tonight to see if he can remember the date and/or the event at Ontario. His tentative belief is the event was the Mustang II intro............. will follow-up. Definitely csx2602, he drove this car frequently during this time period.
Anyone know where the Mustang II west coast press intro was held? I do not. (That's some trivia that I never thought we'd be asking.)
;D Agreed
When you guys said something about Mustang II, I recalled reading about a Cobra II press day at Ontario that a bunch of Shelby guys were at. Found the article on page 50 of the Aug/ Sept 1976 Marque, with a photo of CSX 2602 at the head of a line up of Cobras and Shelbys (May 5, 1976). But on the same page, there is an article about an open track at Willow Springs (May 22-23 1976), no mention of a Daytona coupe, but the accompanying photo has the same garages/ hangars as the ones in Rich's photo. So the plot thickens....
Dave
Okay, Cobra II, not just the Mustang II intro. That more makes sense why CS and the SA cars would be there.
1976 would seem to jibe with the hairstyle of the guy on the left in the top photo, and the tires on the GT350.
I'm doubling down on OMS.
I'm mixed up with the images I have in my files of CSX2300 and CSX2602.
Are all the photos in the scan of the Japanese magazine the same car ?
Can some one I.D. the cars in these images for me, thanks.
Mike
My GUESS is 2602
https://www.ultimatecarpage.com/chassis/57/AC-Shelby-Cobra-Daytona-Coupe-CSX2602.html
My photo - someone has flipped it though.
Black & Gold Mustang II Driveaway for dealers at Ontario Motor Speedway.
We set up 2 slalom courses in the pits for the dealers (and COCOA members) using white/blue Mustang IIs. Shelby made one medium pass and backed it up with top time of the day that no one could touch.
Coupe belonged to Mike Shoen. It was on display at Petersen's museum a block or so west of Grauman's Chinese Theatre. It was also at SAAC 1 in Oakland so that should help narrow down which one it is.
COCOA borrowed it often for meetings and events. First Coupe I ever drove. I also got a ride in Mike's second coupe and drove Shelby's freshly restored one at Willow Springs. We borrowed it for an article when Petersen revived Sports Car Graphic.
Black 66 was Jim & Jan Shields. 6S843 sits in the background (in primer) next to the Travelall & trailer that belonged to Dave Harper. He brought his 289 Cobra that was the LA Fair display car - he bought it new - 3rd in line in top pic.
Edsel Ford was also there - he set the whole thing up. Shortly after is when he got sent to Australia. Rumor was the higher ups didn't like the "race" type atmosphere of this event.
Quote from: honker on December 25, 2021, 10:10:44 PM
I'm mixed up with the images I have in my files of CSX2300 and CSX2602.
Are all the photos in the scan of the Japanese magazine the same car ?
Can some one I.D. the cars in these images for me, thanks.
Mike
Mike, those are neat photos from Japan!
According to my notes the #21 was csx2300 so you were likely correct in the ID
(#21 May 3, 1966 Fuji, Japan GP; DNF engine problems; Tadashi Sakia)
That #11 rear view appears to be a photo from Daytona 1965. I recall that SAI practiced with all the coupes having the same #11. Maybe to throw off any competitors who were watching. Attached are a few images that show all the coupes with the #11 during practice. Notice the 1's have no ears.
That photo of #11 in the magazine might be from the actual Daytona 24hr race. The #11 in the race, had ears on all the 1's.
I believe that was csx2300 as well, but I don't have a rear view photo to confirm it.
Thanks for posting those pages!
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on December 26, 2021, 12:14:56 AM
My photo - someone has flipped it though.
Black & Gold Mustang II Driveaway for dealers at Ontario Motor Speedway.
We set up 2 slalom courses in the pits for the dealers (and COCOA members) using white/blue Mustang IIs. Shelby made one medium pass and backed it up with top time of the day that no one could touch.
Coupe belonged to Mike Shoen. It was on display at Petersen's museum a block or so west of Grauman's Chinese Theatre. It was also at SAAC 1 in Oakland so that should help narrow down which one it is.
COCOA borrowed it often for meetings and events. First Coupe I ever drove. I also got a ride in Mike's second coupe and drove Shelby's freshly restored one at Willow Springs. We borrowed it for an article when Petersen revived Sports Car Graphic.
Black 66 was Jim & Jan Shields. 6S843 sits in the background (in primer) next to the Travelall & trailer that belonged to Dave Harper. He brought his 289 Cobra that was the LA Fair display car - he bought it new - 3rd in line in top pic.
Edsel Ford was also there - he set the whole thing up. Shortly after is when he got sent to Australia. Rumor was the higher ups didn't like the "race" type atmosphere of this event.
It could be csx2602, the Mike Shoen coupe that was blue.
The other coupe he had around the same time was painted red then painted back to blue (I believe it was csx2299).
Those would be the likely candidates for the 77-78 gatherings.
Both might have been painted blue by that time.
Quote from: Richstang on December 26, 2021, 09:02:15 PMIt could be csx2602, the Mike Shoen coupe that was blue.
That is the one that COCOA always borrowed (5 or 6 times). It was on display at Bob Petersen's first car museum in Hollywood. If I remember correctly it was Jim Wallace that also towed it to SAAC1 in Oakland. I commented on the POS trailer and found out it was also an original SA vehicle.
Mike's second Coupe was kept at his home in AZ during this time. I think that is the one he brought to SAAC? at Ontario Motor Speedway.
Petersen's original Motorama museum at 9 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8tTh6oRwug
I started COCOA ( OC) in Feb of '74 and we were fortunate enough to have some really important cars "show up" in the parking lot. Les Lindley brought his MKIV ( I had a security guard to watch it) once and the MKIIs a different time . He and Bill Otto often brought their 427 and 289 Cobras. Back then , the club was for "owners only" which changed after my run as president and probably allowed it to survive and grow to what it is today. I remember Jim bringing the coupe ( it was 2602) to at least one meeting. Now it's hard to get "real cars" to an annual car show. Yes I am guilty of this.
Randy
Quote from: gt350hr on December 27, 2021, 03:43:33 PMLes Lindley brought his MKIV once and the MKIIs a different time . He and Bill Otto often brought their 427 and 289 Cobras.
I joined in 75. Cheryll Wallace was working at the local Pacific Stereo and saw me park my car and came out to invite me to a meeting. I remember when Tom Ford (?) brought his yellow MKII to a meeting and the cops followed him into the parking lot. He was going to write him for no windshield wiper until be drug it out from behind the seat - explaining that the cost of making one from a Boeing 727 wiper blade was too much to leave it on the car to rot in the smog.
Sam Johnson seemed to bring his 427 to every meeting. I think at every meeting there were 15-20 real cars. That all adjourned to the Shakey's parking lot afterwards. Saw a bunch of the old COCOA guys at the Segerstrom opening a couple months ago. We were all trying to remember which years each was president. Les Zoller said he's got a list.
As I mentioned above in reply #7, I affiliated in late 74, Randy Hermans recruited me and he was then club president, hmm I dunno... I was one of the younger members along w Dan M and Tony F, Hermans and Wallace prob in mid/late 20s, did alot, but the club then seemed to be steered by Lynn Park, Bob Key, Duane Bowers, and Bruce Berger (a very cool guy) who were all 'much' older.
There were clones then in COCOA OC, remember Randy Steppans (sic?) and the 'collapsible roll bar'. Strange to this day.
Sam Johnson's blue 427 was noteworthy, wasn't it an S/C?
Quote from: camp upshur on December 27, 2021, 05:52:11 PM
As I mentioned above in reply #7, I affiliated in late 74, Randy Hermans recruited me and he was then club president, hmm I dunno... I was one of the younger members along w Dan M and Tony F, Hermans and Wallace prob in mid/late 20s, did alot, but the club then seemed to be steered by Lynn Park, Bob Key, Duane Bowers, and Bruce Berger (a very cool guy) who were all 'much' older.
There were clones then in COCOA OC, remember Randy Steppans (sic?) and the 'collapsible roll bar'. Strange to this day.yllSam Johnson's blue 427 was noteworthy, wasn't it an S/C?
Lynn Park and Duane Bowers (His 427 was in Gumball Rally) were in the LA Club they'd visit but not really take part. Dan Mcquire also had a red 66 in the 800s. I remember when his fan came apart and went through the hood. Bob Key had the 65 that he and Kopec drove the Cannonball in. Tony Fasola had a 65 his dad vintage raced an Aston DB4. Jim and Cheryll Wallace worked at Pacific Stereo which is how we got to use their warehouse for meetings. Cheryll ran the office in Covina and Jim ran the Pasadena store. Bruce Berger was Cheryll's dad he always brought his mid 50 Willys pick-up outfitted as a tow truck to Willow Springs. Randy & Trudy Hermans were always there. He always wanted a Cobra and every time he saved enough money the Cobras had jumped in price again so he'd buy another rental unit instead. At the Fontana SAAC before last he came in a Red 427 continuation car that Jim Wallace sold him while he was working at SA in Vegas. Yeah most of us were in our 20s. Berger's, Foster's and Les Lindley (his was the other 427 in Gumball) were the "old" folks - born before the end of WWII. Sam's car was an S/C - first one I ever rode in on the track. When I got out I asked myself how stupid was I? 160 with no rollbar on my side. Randy Stephan's car caused problems for the owner of the real car. Randy had claimed the number for so long when the real car showed up with a real 5R09K # and original tag he had problems with people calling his fake - until they saw photos of Randy's.
Thanks for posting guys ! great stories about the early days of Shelby Clubs !
Also thanks for id'ng the Daytona Coupe.
Mike