There are only a few early photos of the Super Snake with its Magstar wheels and small letter Goodyears. This is how it is noted as built from the factory.
Here it is parked in front of Mel Burns Ford with Don McCain. What a cool Shelby!
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-040318172728-5372170.jpeg)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-040318172728-52275.jpeg)
I'm always searching for others photos of it in this tire configuration.
This front 3/4 view is a cropped version of a larger photo that I'm still looking for.
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-040318172728-5382258.jpeg)
Such an amazing car - I've had such a fondness for it over the years.
Thanks for posting the pics!
Cool cool
427 madness
saaaweeet!
Does anyone have the August 1967 issue of Drag Strip magazine. It appears most of the above photo were from that issue. I'd like the see the engine photo to see what intake and air cleaner was on the car originally.
IIRC Mag intake and "round" chrome open element like a GT350. I saw it a couple of times at the dealership. The headers ( more like extractors) were a work of art.
Quote from: Richstang on March 05, 2018, 01:29:02 PM
Does anyone have the August 1967 issue of Drag Strip magazine. It appears most of the above photo were from that issue. I'd like the see the engine photo to see what intake and air cleaner was on the car originally.
The article shows a partial of a hipo air cleaner. Most likely with a Cobra sticker like GT350 as Randy remembers. That air cleaner was typical for single four 427/428 Cobra also. Being a lightweight engine the mag intake would not be out of the ordinary. I always love to look at the bundle of snakes style header arrangement which appears to be welded permanently into the car.
Thanks Randy...Thanks Bob
John's recent 1979 SAAC 4 photos sparked my interest. That was the first time I recall seeing it without the HiPo air cleaner. I imagine the rear hood pins were another custom touch. The headers are hidden from view in the engine bay photos. I need to see the car up close and personal to get a better appreciation for it. It must sound like a beast too.
Quote from: Richstang on March 05, 2018, 03:12:49 PM
Thanks Randy...Thanks Bob
John's recent 1979 SAAC 4 photos sparked my interest. That was the first time I recall seeing it without the HiPo air cleaner. I imagine the rear hood pins were another custom touch. The headers are hidden from view in the engine bay photos. I need to see the car up close and personal to get a better appreciation for it. It must sound like a beast too.
The headers ae long gone. some hooker comp headers in their place if I identified them correctly. you had to cut the originals off if you wanted to remove the engine . That was OK for a magazine car I suspect but not good for a drag car where you may occasionally (or more ) have to remove the engine. Ed Meyer and I got a chance to get up close and personal when we took turns driving it at Fontana on the outer parking lot road courtesy of our friend and then owner Charley Lillard. FYI Ed screams like a girl . ;D ;D ;D
The guy who built the headers at SAI for the SS was an Engilsh "chap" named Derrington. He also did the GT40 headers. As I recall the oil pan had a "bustle" ( enlarged sump) as they called it. The primary tubes were a slip fit into the collectors. Being standard steel tubing they were good for ten years tops before they rusted out because of the thin wall tubing used. Internal corrosion was the culprit not external rust.
I still have a set of "his" Can Am 427 FE headers.
Randy
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 05, 2018, 03:21:14 PM
Quote from: Richstang on March 05, 2018, 03:12:49 PM
Thanks Randy...Thanks Bob
John's recent 1979 SAAC 4 photos sparked my interest. That was the first time I recall seeing it without the HiPo air cleaner. I imagine the rear hood pins were another custom touch. The headers are hidden from view in the engine bay photos. I need to see the car up close and personal to get a better appreciation for it. It must sound like a beast too.
The headers ae long gone. some hooker comp headers in their place if I identified them correctly. you had to cut the originals off if you wanted to remove the engine . That was OK for a magazine car I suspect but not good for a drag car where you may occasionally (or more ) have to remove the engine. Ed Meyer and I got a chance to get up close and personal when we took turns driving it at Fontana on the outer parking lot road courtesy of our friend and then owner Charley Lillard. FYI Ed screams like a girl . ;D ;D ;D
WAIT...Ed screams like a girl! Oh your going to get an earful as soon as he reads this.
Charley has / had some really nice cars. Very cool he let you both drive it.
Those factory installed headers sound cool as hell, but a nightmare to deal with.
Quote from: gt350hr on March 05, 2018, 03:45:10 PM
The guy who built the headers at SAI for the SS was an Engilsh "chap" named Derrington. He also did the GT40 headers. As I recall the oil pan had a "bustle" ( enlarged sump) as they called it. The primary tubes were a slip fit into the collectors. Being standard steel tubing they were good for ten years tops before they rusted out because of the thin wall tubing used. Internal corrosion was the culprit not external rust.
I still have a set of "his" Can Am 427 FE headers.
Randy
Randy,
You always amaze me with your details. I can't remember the names of some people I worked with 10-15 years ago, never mind 50 years back. I wasn't even born when this car built. Thanks as always for sharing.
Quote from: Richstang on March 05, 2018, 04:36:40 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 05, 2018, 03:21:14 PM
Quote from: Richstang on March 05, 2018, 03:12:49 PM
Thanks Randy...Thanks Bob
John's recent 1979 SAAC 4 photos sparked my interest. That was the first time I recall seeing it without the HiPo air cleaner. I imagine the rear hood pins were another custom touch. The headers are hidden from view in the engine bay photos. I need to see the car up close and personal to get a better appreciation for it. It must sound like a beast too.
The headers ae long gone. some hooker comp headers in their place if I identified them correctly. you had to cut the originals off if you wanted to remove the engine . That was OK for a magazine car I suspect but not good for a drag car where you may occasionally (or more ) have to remove the engine. Ed Meyer and I got a chance to get up close and personal when we took turns driving it at Fontana on the outer parking lot road courtesy of our friend and then owner Charley Lillard. FYI Ed screams like a girl . ;D ;D ;D
WAIT...Ed screams like a girl! Oh your going to get an earful as soon as he reads this.
Charley has / had some really nice cars. Very cool he let you both drive it.
Those factory installed headers sound cool as hell, but a nightmare to deal with.
Ed typically doesn't miss a chance to give me a earful good, bad or indifferent ;) so I want to make it count . We will see if he is paying attention. ;D
Quote from: Richstang on March 05, 2018, 04:45:06 PM
Quote from: gt350hr on March 05, 2018, 03:45:10 PM
The guy who built the headers at SAI for the SS was an Engilsh "chap" named Derrington. He also did the GT40 headers. As I recall the oil pan had a "bustle" ( enlarged sump) as they called it. The primary tubes were a slip fit into the collectors. Being standard steel tubing they were good for ten years tops before they rusted out because of the thin wall tubing used. Internal corrosion was the culprit not external rust.
I still have a set of "his" Can Am 427 FE headers.
Randy
Randy,
You always amaze me with your details. I can't remember the names of some people I worked with 10-15 years ago, never mind 50 years back. I wasn't even born when this car built. Thanks as always for sharing.
Thanks Rich,
It's almost like I am part autistic at times. I have SO many stupid details , events, "mind photos" of parts , cars , and other stuff , it's a wonder I can function at all. I ran into a guy I met at an SOA convention 44 years ago , last December . I described in detail a point where we were stopped by the police for doing a burnout on the city street. I named everyone in the car and where they were sitting plus other details. He was amazed. Now what was your name again? LMAO
Randy
Seems to me, the grill has been chromed around the outboard headlights. Not shown in the photos is the dual oil filters remotely mounted near the washer bag.
Hey was it Mel Burns Ford that had the neon GT350 sign? Does anyone have a picture of the sign?
Thanks
Quote from: roddster on March 06, 2018, 03:52:39 PM
Seems to me, the grill has been chromed around the outboard headlights. Not shown in the photos is the dual oil filters remotely mounted near the washer bag.
The chromed outboard grill has been one of the distinguishing details about the car.
YES i was screaming at mr gaines (WHY DIDNT YOU BUY THIS SHELBY) as i went thru several gates on a large ranch SW of san antonio TX to david randol place to see this koolest shelby ever made & watched the wingfoot tire test video david had that the supersnake tested the tires on the oval track. I called mr 67 shelby guy & told him if he wants THE 67 shelby he needs to buy this car but he said 175 was TOO MUCH (REALLY) so i told some other ford guys & freddy i think told charley lillard (a chevy guy who listened) & had the forsight to understand how historically important this unique shelby is ended up buying the supersnake. That was about 15 years ago & 5 years ago it sold for (HOW MUCH MR GAINES?) who should be screaming now? I had my $ tied up at that time in the farm we bought where i used to manage & since sold but if i had bought that supersnake instead i would have been WAY BETTER OFF & i would have kept the supersnake just so i could blow the doors off a certain green little 67 gt350 (who thinks is#1) & show him who is really # ONE!! ;D
Quote from: Special Ed on March 06, 2018, 07:52:16 PM
YES i was screaming at mr gaines (WHY DIDNT YOU BUY THIS SHELBY) as i went thru several gates on a large ranch SW of san antonio TX to david randol place to see this koolest shelby ever made & watched the wingfoot tire test video david had that the supersnake tested the tires on the oval track. I called mr 67 shelby guy & told him if he wants THE 67 shelby he needs to buy this car but he said 175 was TOO MUCH (REALLY) so i told some other ford guys & freddy i think told charley lillard (a chevy guy who listened) & had the forsight to understand how historically important this unique shelby is ended up buying the supersnake. That was about 15 years ago & 5 years ago it sold for (HOW MUCH MR GAINES?) who should be screaming now? I had my $ tied up at that time in the farm we bought where i used to manage & since sold but if i had bought that supersnake instead i would have been WAY BETTER OFF & i would have kept the supersnake just so i could blow the doors off a certain green little 67 gt350 (who thinks is#1) & show him who is really # ONE!! ;D
I feel sick. :( FYI it was 195 k but doesn't matter much at this point. :'( Shoulda , Woulda , Coulda. :o ;D
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 06, 2018, 05:07:40 PM
Quote from: roddster on March 06, 2018, 03:52:39 PM
Seems to me, the grill has been chromed around the outboard headlights. Not shown in the photos is the dual oil filters remotely mounted near the washer bag.
The chromed outboard grill has been one of the distinguishing details about the car.
I always assumed those were custom made panels fitted over the outer lights.
Where have you seen the dual oil filters? Even the vintage photos I've seen only shows one filter in place of the washer bag.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 06, 2018, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: Special Ed on March 06, 2018, 07:52:16 PM
YES i was screaming at mr gaines (WHY DIDNT YOU BUY THIS SHELBY) as i went thru several gates on a large ranch SW of san antonio TX to david randol place to see this koolest shelby ever made & watched the wingfoot tire test video david had that the supersnake tested the tires on the oval track. I called mr 67 shelby guy & told him if he wants THE 67 shelby he needs to buy this car but he said 175 was TOO MUCH (REALLY) so i told some other ford guys & freddy i think told charley lillard (a chevy guy who listened) & had the forsight to understand how historically important this unique shelby is ended up buying the supersnake. That was about 15 years ago & 5 years ago it sold for (HOW MUCH MR GAINES?) who should be screaming now? I had my $ tied up at that time in the farm we bought where i used to manage & since sold but if i had bought that supersnake instead i would have been WAY BETTER OFF & i would have kept the supersnake just so i could blow the doors off a certain green little 67 gt350 (who thinks is#1) & show him who is really # ONE!! ;D
I feel sick. :( FYI it was 195 k but doesn't matter much at this point. :'( Shoulda , Woulda , Coulda. :o ;D
I recall seeing the episode of "My Classic Car" with Dennis Gauge when it was owned by David L. I still have the VHS tape, but no player to watch it.
The video footage of the Goodyear tire test is out there. I'll try to find it and post it here in this thread. (Unless someone beats me to it.)
I'd be kicking myself too if I could have afforded the car and missed the chance, but for that much coin I would have probably passed as well. 15 years ago what were GT500s going for, about $100-$125. At $195 back then I'd would have had to sell the house and live with the car in a garage.
Richstang: at the NMCN show in Rosemont a few years back. I think I took photos. I try and post them in a few days.
PS: there is a car magazine featuring (from back in the 80's) the SS back when the guy in Texas owned it. They flipped the negative so the engine photo is all, like, Australian.
Here's the Goodyear test video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvjhaDmaM1A
and a video marketing it for the upcoming Mecum auction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWjWGvxXHM0
Thanks for looking for those photos roddster.
I have several engine shot from recent times, but they all show the single oil filter.
The NMCN show photo is blury, and shot too low.
However, I saved the Ebay listing when the owner in Texas listed it. That photo is the size of a postage stamp, and not showung it. BUT, I noted on the listing that it had remote dual oil filters as that is a detail not to be missed when I build a 1/25th scale model of it.
Quote from: Richstang on March 07, 2018, 10:38:16 AM
Here's the Goodyear test video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvjhaDmaM1A
and a video marketing it for the upcoming Mecum auction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWjWGvxXHM0
Thanks for looking for those photos roddster.
I have several engine shot from recent times, but they all show the single oil filter.
Too bad it doesn't still have the 4 hood pin set up instead of the hinged hood.
... one side of the Thunder Bolt tire handout.
Quote from: roddster on March 08, 2018, 10:47:46 AM
The NMCN show photo is blury, and shot too low.
However, I saved the Ebay listing when the owner in Texas listed it. That photo is the size of a postage stamp, and not showung it. BUT, I noted on the listing that it had remote dual oil filters as that is a detail not to be missed when I build a 1/25th scale model of it.
If you saw "duel" remote oil filters on the car then they were added at a later date by a PO. I am not sure when that would have been done because back in the 80's when the car would frequently show up at the Tulsa show it had the single remote like what was used on the 427 SC cobra and also as is seen in the vintage Drag Race magazine August 1967 edition. If you like them then add them but I don't want you to have the impression that they were on the car originally.
Thanks Bob,
I was really curious about the oil filter. I just received a copy of the engine photo from the 60's Drag Magazine showing the single filter in the wiper bag location.
Roddster,
Do you have any pictures of your model build up. I'd love to see what version you did with it. 10-spokes w whitewalls or the Magstar/lettered Goodyears.
I recently updated my build from 20 + years ago to the Magstar version and correct small letter Goodyears.
The model is still in the box. Good to know about the remote oil filter. I was going by what I saw when the car was at the NMCN show a few years back. At that time it was in the show with white wall tires, not Speedway 350's. Probably stressing the tire test point.
The single remote was from a 427 Cobra S/C , standard issue.
Quote from: gt350hr on March 09, 2018, 11:52:52 AM
The single remote was from a 427 Cobra S/C , standard issue.
You have to keep up with your reading because I already addressed that in reply #29. For those reading ( because Randy already knows this) that typically only the 427 SC got the remote cooler. The regular (if it can be called that ;) ) street 427/428 Cobra used the typical BB oil filter adapter but instead of a FL1 standard filter it used a shorty alternate filter to fit between the adapter and the main tube. There is a Ford equivalent but the SA paperwork calls for a short Fram filter
BB oil filter
The car will be displayed at Shelby American in Vegas for 6 months if anyone wants to see it.
https://www.teamshelby.com/topic/96119-first-shelby-super-snake-joins-first-shelby-cobra-in-las-vegas/
http://www.shelbyamerican.com/?topic=news&art=21601
I know that if I just spent 2.2 million on it, I'd have to park it (for a while) in my living room.
Quote from: roddster on April 11, 2019, 10:08:14 AM
I know that if I just spent 2.2 million on it, I'd have to park it (for a while) in my living room.
or drive it cross country....
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 09, 2018, 02:47:07 PM
Quote from: gt350hr on March 09, 2018, 11:52:52 AM
The single remote was from a 427 Cobra S/C , standard issue.
You have to keep up with your reading because I already addressed that in reply #29. For those reading ( because Randy already knows this) that typically only the 427 SC got the remote cooler. The regular (if it can be called that ;) ) street 427/428 Cobra used the typical BB oil filter adapter but instead of a FL1 standard filter it used a shorty alternate filter to fit between the adapter and the main tube. There is a Ford equivalent but the SA paperwork calls for a short Fram filter
Yes sorry Bob , I should have said standard issue for an S/C LOL. That remote was sourced from Holman Moody initially. It is also interesting ( and I remember seeing them) that the Fram "short" filter was the original "spec" filter on non oil cooler equipped 427 Cobras. It's not like the filter would hit the ground before the oil pan.
BTW , Don't feel bad about passing up on the SS. I ( and several others) passed up on Royal Krieger selling the "flip top" Cobra for $5,000. Sure it was a "basket case" at the time and more money than I had in the bank 40+ years ago but "shoulda , woulda , coulda" applies as well. If it was purple , I might have made the leap. LMAO.
Randy
Quote from: gt350hr on April 11, 2019, 12:40:27 PM
BTW , Don't feel bad about passing up on the SS. I ( and several others) passed up on Royal Krieger selling the "flip top" Cobra for $5,000. Sure it was a "basket case" at the time and more money than I had in the bank 40+ years ago but "shoulda , woulda , coulda" applies as well. If it was purple , I might have made the leap. LMAO.
Randy
Oh the cars many of us should have bought - looking backwards. It would make for another long thread. But most of us, if we could go back, would likely make the same choice given the same mindset and situation.
In the future we may think the same way "shoulda , woulda , coulda" about our choices we make today. Just part of our experiences. :)
Yea, shoulda coulda woulda. I remember coming across a 71 fastback with two different VIN numbers on ebay. I Thought, hmm This could be the prototype Boss 351. I waited 2 seconds too long and, BOOYAW! I was right! it turned out to be the the one BOSS 351 prototype. 1.5 mil later i am on the sidelines.
Quote from: 6972boss on April 11, 2019, 11:03:31 PM
Yea, shoulda coulda woulda. I remember coming across a 71 fastback with two different VIN numbers on ebay. I Thought, hmm This could be the prototype Boss 351. I waited 2 seconds too long and, BOOYAW! I was right! it turned out to be the the one BOSS 351 prototype. 1.5 mil later i am on the sidelines.
Didn't Bob Perkins buy it from the ebay purchaser?
Yup. For a nice tidy sum! Perkins has all the goodies to make it a 71 boss 302. I think he is almost done.
I've been aiming to get up to Juneau WI for years to see Bob's massive collection and resto shop, just haven't been able to yet.
http://perkinsrestoration.com/current-projects/