We will soon find out which is worth more, historical significance 5R002 or a cultural icon the Bullitt.
How much will this S H E L B Y bring at auction?
5R002 will not bring nearly as much
Agreed with Biggie. Not even on the same day, in the same room, at the same time. Definitely not now.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on March 18, 2020, 10:03:18 PM
Agreed with Biggie. Not even on the same day, in the same room, at the same time. Definitely not now.
Zactly
Agreed. I don't think the Bullitt will be overtaken.
Bullitt. Mainly because the GT 350R will be selling On Line instead of in a Tent with 100's of People.
Let's start : 2 MILLIONS USD
4.5 million USD.
Since it has a Reserve......."No Sale".
Quote from: tesgt350 on March 19, 2020, 07:27:39 AM
Bullitt. Mainly because the GT 350R will be selling On Line instead of in a Tent with 100's of People.
There is currently no plan to sell 5R002 in an online auction format. It'll be selling at Indy in a crowded room of bidders.
Kind regards,
Vern
Well I don't know, some people are recession proof and know that the creme of the crop, probably one of the most desirable Shelbys is coming to market and may not be offered for sale again.
As I mentioned previously we have nice Shelbys, but this one is one of those that are the real "one of ones"
Quote from: Bigfoot on March 18, 2020, 09:58:15 PM
5R002 will not bring nearly as much
I think the Bullitt car V 5R002 is apples and oranges.
Keep it Shelby mustang V Shelby mustang.
5R002 V Super Snake (2mil ?) V Jim Morrisons Shelby (in as found good condition) just say it was found and was real...Tony..Tony ;D
Shelby
I think that most conservative people whether loaded or not would rethink a purchase like this at the moment.
Meaning,....it will likely sell but with less froth and unbridled enthusiasm.
Quote from: Vernon Estes on March 19, 2020, 10:15:56 AM
Quote from: tesgt350 on March 19, 2020, 07:27:39 AM
Bullitt. Mainly because the GT 350R will be selling On Line instead of in a Tent with 100's of People.
There is currently no plan to sell 5R002 in an online auction format. It'll be selling at Indy in a crowded room of bidders.
Kind regards,
Vern
Vern, are you involved in the sale of 5R002?
QSS
Without causing a Riot or more Chaos.... I have heard no one come forward to claim the purchase (or anyone who has TRUE actual knowledge)
that the "Bullitt Mustang Actually Sold for the stated sales price"
As a previous owner of (2) 1965 GT350R cars and know 5R002 quite well... It's the real deal and hopefully will go to someone who loves and cares for it as much as John Atzbach has.
My 2 cents... There is ZERO comparison between Bullitt and 002.
Hey Biggie,
Time to get the betting wall up again.
I'll start the roll with a $1.2M quess.
I think it will be a different buyer for this Shelby.
The other was entertainment and celebrity.
This is historical a true one of one
Quote from: Side-Oilers on March 18, 2020, 10:03:18 PM
Agreed with Biggie. Not even on the same day, in the same room, at the same time. Definitely not now.
This could happen
Quote from: tesgt350 on March 19, 2020, 09:31:01 AM
Since it has a Reserve......."No Sale".
I think what the original author ment not only live people but also internet bidders involved with the auction
Quote from: Vernon Estes on March 19, 2020, 10:15:56 AM
Quote from: tesgt350 on March 19, 2020, 07:27:39 AM
Bullitt. Mainly because the GT 350R will be selling On Line instead of in a Tent with 100's of People.
There is currently no plan to sell 5R002 in an online auction format. It'll be selling at Indy in a crowded room of bidders.
Kind regards,
Vern
Agreed but just wanted to see people thoughts on these two unique vehicles.
Yes, yes... I understand if "Jimmy's " Shelby wouldn't have been turned into other things like toasters, eating utensils, pans, numbers when it was recycled it to would have been on my "one of one Shelby list"
Quote from: 6s2020 on March 19, 2020, 06:56:50 PM
I think the Bullitt car V 5R002 is apples and oranges.
Keep it Shelby mustang V Shelby mustang.
5R002 V Super Snake (2mil ?) V Jim Morrisons Shelby (in as found good condition) just say it was found and was real...Tony..Tony ;D
Dont agree some people are recession proof. What's occurring currently will affect them but not as it affects us.
Quote from: Bigfoot on March 19, 2020, 09:01:19 PM
I think that most conservative people whether loaded or not would rethink a purchase like this at the moment.
Meaning,....it will likely sell but with less froth and unbridled enthusiasm.
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on March 19, 2020, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: Vernon Estes on March 19, 2020, 10:15:56 AM
Quote from: tesgt350 on March 19, 2020, 07:27:39 AM
Bullitt. Mainly because the GT 350R will be selling On Line instead of in a Tent with 100's of People.
There is currently no plan to sell 5R002 in an online auction format. It'll be selling at Indy in a crowded room of bidders.
Kind regards,
Vern
Vern, are you involved in the sale of 5R002?
QSS
Yes sir, I'm helping John with the sale of the cars as well as memorabilia.
Kind regards,
Vern
I feel this car should and will sell for a world record. This car, the racing history, the drivers who won so many races, the mechanics who built this car in 1965 and the people behind preserving, restoring, researching and helping showcase this car deserve the attention, respect and notoriety from the world for the hard work and countless time invested to make 5R002 such a key figure for the GT350 name and brand.
The hard work, attention to detail, countless hours of research and efforts by John Atzbach, John Brown, Mark Hovander, Jim Wicks, many WASAAC and SAAC members across the country, Mark Gillette, Steve Volk, The Shelby American Collection in Boulder, CO, Chuck Cantwell, Jerry Schwarz, Peter Brock, Jim Marrieta and many people (a list of where credit is due here: http://www.5r002.com/a-special-thanks (http://www.5r002.com/a-special-thanks) )that have had their heart and desire poured into making 5R002 available to you and I deserve so much praise and respect.
If it wasn't for all of the great people connected to this car over the years we wouldn't have had so many amazing informative topics and conversations on this forum that we did back during the years it was at the Shelby Collection, repeating the historical events of when and how this car was found in Mexico, during the restoration phase, travelling the country in 2014 with 5S003 to showcase 50 years of Mustang, seeing it win 1st place at Pebble Beach....(we will most likely never see another Mustang on the lawn), winning at Amelia Island and everywhere else it ever went, seeing it at numerous Ford Motor Company events, seeing the Original Venice Crew use it to help promote and build their new cars, to see the 2015 R model cars created,......and countless other great successes and promotions in the Shelby community we all may have never known or realized were related because of 5R002.
5R002 is such an important piece in our Shelby community and it will always be the pinnacle of the Shelby marque. It is the greatest GT350 and all of us as Shelby enthusiasts should be rooting for the future success of this car. 5R002 is onto its next chapter and that chapter will be another great adventure.
A BIG PLUS ONE this S H E L B Y is 1 of 1 the real ones !
Quote from: silverton_ford on March 20, 2020, 02:57:57 AM
I feel this car should and will sell for a world record. This car, the racing history, the drivers who won so many races, the mechanics who built this car in 1965 and the people behind preserving, restoring, researching and helping showcase this car deserve the attention, respect and notoriety from the world for the hard work and countless time invested to make 5R002 such a key figure for the GT350 name and brand.
The hard work, attention to detail, countless hours of research and efforts by John Atzbach, John Brown, Mark Hovander, Jim Wicks, many WASAAC and SAAC members across the country, Mark Gillette, Steve Volk, The Shelby American Collection in Boulder, CO, Chuck Cantwell, Jerry Schwarz, Peter Brock, Jim Marrieta and many people (a list of where credit is due here: http://www.5r002.com/a-special-thanks (http://www.5r002.com/a-special-thanks) )that have had their heart and desire poured into making 5R002 available to you and I deserve so much praise and respect.
If it wasn't for all of the great people connected to this car over the years we wouldn't have had so many amazing informative topics and conversations on this forum that we did back during the years it was at the Shelby Collection, repeating the historical events of when and how this car was found in Mexico, during the restoration phase, travelling the country in 2014 with 5S003 to showcase 50 years of Mustang, seeing it win 1st place at Pebble Beach....(we will most likely never see another Mustang on the lawn), winning at Amelia Island and everywhere else it ever went, seeing it at numerous Ford Motor Company events, seeing the Original Venice Crew use it to help promote and build their new cars, to see the 2015 R model cars created,......and countless other great successes and promotions in the Shelby community we all may have never known or realized were related because of 5R002.
5R002 is such an important piece in our Shelby community and it will always be the pinnacle of the Shelby marque. It is the greatest GT350 and all of us as Shelby enthusiasts should be rooting for the future success of this car. 5R002 is onto its next chapter and that chapter will be another great adventure.
A beat-up movie car with no real pedigree other than it was in a movie or a real race legend. I'll take option number two. I wouldn't walk across an auditorium to see the Bullit Car.
+ 1
Quote from: The Going Thing on March 20, 2020, 08:59:06 AM
A beat-up movie car with no real pedigree other than it was in a movie or a real race legend. I'll take option number two. I wouldn't walk across an auditorium to see the Bullit Car.
Quote from: SBCARGUY on March 19, 2020, 09:25:04 PM
Without causing a Riot or more Chaos.... I have heard no one come forward to claim the purchase (or anyone who has TRUE actual knowledge)
that the "Bullitt Mustang Actually Sold for the stated sales price"
As a previous owner of (2) 1965 GT350R cars and know 5R002 quite well... It's the real deal and hopefully will go to someone who loves and cares for it as much as John Atzbach has.
My 2 cents... There is ZERO comparison between Bullitt and 002.
I believe the bullet car was bid up by Mecum, "Franks guy" supposedly won the bid and now Mecum has been negotiating with buyers to find it a new home and the seller isn't happy or hasn't accepted the lower offers. There is no other explanation for no one claiming to be the owner of the car.
Quote from: The Going Thing on March 20, 2020, 08:59:06 AM
A beat-up movie car with no real pedigree other than it was in a movie or a real race legend. I'll take option number two. I wouldn't walk across an auditorium to see the Bullit Car.
I've got to agree here. +2. Plus, which is the real "Bullet"? There's only one 002.
My point EXACTLY 8)
Quote from: Greg on March 20, 2020, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: SBCARGUY on March 19, 2020, 09:25:04 PM
Without causing a Riot or more Chaos.... I have heard no one come forward to claim the purchase (or anyone who has TRUE actual knowledge)
that the "Bullitt Mustang Actually Sold for the stated sales price"
As a previous owner of (2) 1965 GT350R cars and know 5R002 quite well... It's the real deal and hopefully will go to someone who loves and cares for it as much as John Atzbach has.
My 2 cents... There is ZERO comparison between Bullitt and 002.
I believe the bullet car was bid up by Mecum, "Franks guy" supposedly won the bid and now Mecum has been negotiating with buyers to find it a new home and the seller isn't happy or hasn't accepted the lower offers. There is no other explanation for no one claiming to be the owner of the car.
Quote from: Greg on March 20, 2020, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: SBCARGUY on March 19, 2020, 09:25:04 PM
Without causing a Riot or more Chaos.... I have heard no one come forward to claim the purchase (or anyone who has TRUE actual knowledge)
that the "Bullitt Mustang Actually Sold for the stated sales price"
As a previous owner of (2) 1965 GT350R cars and know 5R002 quite well... It's the real deal and hopefully will go to someone who loves and cares for it as much as John Atzbach has.
My 2 cents... There is ZERO comparison between Bullitt and 002.
I believe the bullet car was bid up by Mecum, "Franks guy" supposedly won the bid and now Mecum has been negotiating with buyers to find it a new home and the seller isn't happy or hasn't accepted the lower offers. There is no other explanation for no one claiming to be the owner of the car.
Ok guys, can we at least put this rumor to bed?
1) the car did find a real buyer.
2) that buyer, at least for now, wishes to remain anonymous. I'm sure the hobby will know sometime in the near future exactly who purchased it.
3) why remain anonymous? Honestly, I don't know..but if I spent 3.75m +\- on a car and wished to remain anonymous for a time, I'd hope that I'd earned the right to that esp given the price paid.
Rest assured, the bid on the car was real. I'm sure as heck not going to share the buyer though, the buyer can reveal himself at some point or give people permission to announce it if it's his prerogative to do that.
Kind regards,
Vern
Nope
Quote from: Greg on March 20, 2020, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: SBCARGUY on March 19, 2020, 09:25:04 PM
Without causing a Riot or more Chaos.... I have heard no one come forward to claim the purchase (or anyone who has TRUE actual knowledge)
that the "Bullitt Mustang Actually Sold for the stated sales price"
As a previous owner of (2) 1965 GT350R cars and know 5R002 quite well... It's the real deal and hopefully will go to someone who loves and cares for it as much as John Atzbach has.
My 2 cents... There is ZERO comparison between Bullitt and 002.
I believe the bullet car was bid up by Mecum, "Franks guy" supposedly won the bid and now Mecum has been negotiating with buyers to find it a new home and the seller isn't happy or hasn't accepted the lower offers. There is no other explanation for no one claiming to be the owner of the car.
Nope car was not bid up by the house
We have to respect people's privacy and also time to get Bullitt ready to be displayed with the proper props and ambiance that should reflects its movie star heritage.
Get ready for the "red carpet unveiling" and soon it will be "show time" !
Quote from: Vernon Estes on March 20, 2020, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: Greg on March 20, 2020, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: SBCARGUY on March 19, 2020, 09:25:04 PM
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Ok guys, can we at least put this rumor to bed?
1) the car did find a real buyer.
2) that buyer, at least for now, wishes to remain anonymous. I'm sure the hobby will know sometime in the near future exactly who purchased it.
3) why remain anonymous? Honestly, I don't know..but if I spent 3.75m +\- on a car and wished to remain anonymous for a time, I'd hope that I'd earned the right to that esp given the price paid.
Rest assured, the bid on the car was real. I'm sure as heck not going to share the buyer though, the buyer can reveal himself at some point or give people permission to announce it if it's his prerogative to do that.
Kind regards,
Vern
Quote from: Vernon Estes on March 20, 2020, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: Greg on March 20, 2020, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: SBCARGUY on March 19, 2020, 09:25:04 PM
Without causing a Riot or more Chaos.... I have heard no one come forward to claim the purchase (or anyone who has TRUE actual knowledge)
that the "Bullitt Mustang Actually Sold for the stated sales price"
As a previous owner of (2) 1965 GT350R cars and know 5R002 quite well... It's the real deal and hopefully will go to someone who loves and cares for it as much as John Atzbach has.
My 2 cents... There is ZERO comparison between Bullitt and 002.
I believe the bullet car was bid up by Mecum, "Franks guy" supposedly won the bid and now Mecum has been negotiating with buyers to find it a new home and the seller isn't happy or hasn't accepted the lower offers. There is no other explanation for no one claiming to be the owner of the car.
Ok guys, can we at least put this rumor to bed?
1) the car did find a real buyer.
2) that buyer, at least for now, wishes to remain anonymous. I'm sure the hobby will know sometime in the near future exactly who purchased it.
3) why remain anonymous? Honestly, I don't know..but if I spent 3.75m +\- on a car and wished to remain anonymous for a time, I'd hope that I'd earned the right to that esp given the price paid.
Rest assured, the bid on the car was real. I'm sure as heck not going to share the buyer though, the buyer can reveal himself at some point or give people permission to announce it if it's his prerogative to do that.
Kind regards,
Vern
Aha! My vote is on Vern as the secret buyer.
About 60 days out
Quote from: tesgt350 on March 19, 2020, 09:31:01 AM
Since it has a Reserve......."No Sale".
Bingo - The guy who had already decided to buy 002 has lowered how much he is willing to spend at this time.
Hmmmmmm
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on April 28, 2020, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: tesgt350 on March 19, 2020, 09:31:01 AM
Since it has a Reserve......."No Sale".
Bingo - The guy who had already decided to buy 002 has lowered how much he is willing to spend at this time.
Today Saturday preview at 4PM Eastern Time on NBCSN
Just watched for the second time on NBCSN, the Mecum John Atzbach Collection presentation. I believe I was more impressed watching it the second time around. The new date of the auction July 10-18, could also be really good as everyone is tired of being cooped up and will be ready to get out of their homes and spend time / money. I think this time out has benefited the seller. Best of luck!
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on May 02, 2020, 07:49:28 AM
Today Saturday preview at 4PM Eastern Time on NBCSN
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on May 13, 2020, 08:32:22 PM
Just watched for the second time on NBCSN, the Mecum John Atzbach Collection presentation. I believe I was more impressed watching it the second time around. The new date of the auction July 10-18, could also be really good as everyone is tired of being cooped up and will be ready to get out of their homes and spend time / money. I think this time out has benefited the seller. Best of luck!
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on May 02, 2020, 07:49:28 AM
Today Saturday preview at 4PM Eastern Time on NBCSN
I thought June?
Pushed back, will benefit seller
The John Atzbach Collection at Indy Road Art 2020
https://www.mecum.com/auctions/indy-roadart-2020/collections/john-atzbach-collection/
Quote from: Bigfoot on May 13, 2020, 10:58:31 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on May 13, 2020, 08:32:22 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on May 02, 2020, 07:49:28 AM
Today Saturday preview at 4PM Eastern Time on NBCSN
I thought June?
It's on this week, believe Friday night they will come on stage
So the winner is....5R002! $3,850,000 including fees, wow!
The power of prayer!
We were lighting candles, making offerings to all the Saints and Spirits (rum) that 5R002 would surpass that horrendous green bullit....prayers answered.
SOLD, SOLD, SOLD!! $$3,850,000.00 (with buyer's fee) Congratulations to the seller and buyer!
Got to be the best Shelby in the world!!
Quote from: BGlover67 on July 17, 2020, 03:21:54 PM
So the winner is....5R002! $3,850,000 including fees, wow!
Congrats John !!! 8)
I thought the display with the car in flight was ingenious!
Simply Superior Marketing
https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=11282.0
Quote from: The Going Thing on July 18, 2020, 10:58:50 AM
I thought the display with the car in flight was ingenious!
The buyer should get the display, right? 8)
Should get all the advertising they printed
Quote from: Don Johnston on July 18, 2020, 02:43:16 PM
The buyer should get the display, right? 8)