SAAC Forum

After several months of membership and forum interaction I need to get something off my chest. SAAC is not living up to it's purpose. The statement of purpose on the home page reads:

"Dedicated to the care, preservation, history, and enjoyment of the world championship cars from Shelby American, and the cars they have inspired from 1962 to today. Ownership is not required for membership-just enthusiasm."

I think it's worth noting that exactly half of that entire statement is directed to people who do NOT own a Shelby. I do not own a Shelby but have been a fan of Shelby, and his cars, since the company was formed. I built scale models of the cars while they were beating Ferrari at Lemans. I started a car fund about 30 years ago to pigeon hole any spare $ so that some day I could buy a mustang without cutting into the family budget and build as close to a real Shelby as I was able to build. I had decided that a 67 GT500 was my goal long before "Gone in 60 Seconds" hit the screen (I still don't appreciate Eleanors). Even the classic 67 DONZI I restored got turned into a Shelby. I am now retired and working on two Shelby tribute cars, a 67 GT500 and a 65 R-model and have spent countless hours scouring this forum for info on correct parts and modifications. When I can't find the info I need I post a request knowing that there are world class experts that monitor this forum daily. What I have found is that the leadership of this forum has decided that I am not worthy, that ownership in fact IS required, and that enthusiasm is NOT enough to deserve the assistance that SAAC has the ability to provide to it's members. I recently asked some very simple questions on engine parts (in the "Replicas and Tribute" forum) and got essentially NO response.

http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=9848.0

In previous posts the experts have let debates about correct parts go on for days without bothering to post an authoritative answer to a simple question. This kind of "freeze out" doesn't happen by accident. The leadership of this organization has a problem. By your actions you make a joke of the statement on your home page.

If you are actually interested in preserving interest (ownership AND enthusiasm) in the Shelby story you might consider that more people are going to get a chance to look over my correctly modified "Tribute" car than will ever have a chance to look over an actual Shelby because I will probably drive my car more and take it to more events than the vast majority of original car owners. Young potential classic car fans that will NEVER have opportunity to see an actual R-Model will see my car and understand what kind of car Ken Miles drove to win a world championship by beating the corvettes and XKE's. Why would you choose to not support that opportunity to promote the Shelby story?

The ball is in your court. You can respond by further blackballing me and others like me or you can make some fundamental changes and live up to your potential as an organization that actually DOES support those who are enthusiastic about the cars that Shelby produced AND the cars that they inspired. I hope you chose the path of greater influence. I hope to have a reason to be a SAAC Member for years to come. Thanks for the assistance that HAS been provided by your members. It is vital to my success.

Mickey

Tisk, tisk.

There is no requirement of anyone here to post anything. There are no official agents of SAAC here assigned to answer your questions.

Most of us will post when we think that we can help. If we don't know, then there  likelyis nothing to post?


I personally have no issue with people building tribute cars but it does occur to me that some come here asking expecting an instruction manual, which doesn't exist.

Logically there is a point at which a tribute crosses over into a counterfeit? When someone asks for "what's the right die set to use to stamp the Shelby VIN tag with, that may have just crossed the line.


Now I doubt that anyone can justify printing replica $100 bills by telling the US Secret Service they are "tributes" but I suppose that's worth a shot?


Personally I will continue to try to help where I can within reason and I am sure others will as well. The issue is that we all will have our own personal limits on how much often proprietary information to share.

Some of us know more then others but few if any know absolutely everything about these cars?

Recently, this Forum as been MUCH MORE FORTHCOMING WITH HELP.


Now I can tell you that I've asked questions specifically about what "production line '67 GT500's parts should be" and was told SPECIFICALLY, "that's all I'm going to tell you, figure it out for yourself". So why should it be any different for you? That's just the way it is.

Take what you can here and consider it fortunate. If you can find a better source, power to you. Best of luck on your endeavors. ;)

  I don't recall any memo about black balling ANYONE who doesn't own a real Cobra, Shelby, Series one, Chrysler based Shelby at all.
   So where is this comming from?  Love them all.  I have owned a real 67 GT 350 for more than 49 years, and, I do recall, years back , shunning the clones.  There was a while where if you even replaced a floor section, that car too was shunned. Now I'm well along the way to building a tribute.  I think we're past that stage. 
   I have no idea what you have asked and didn't get an answer to, but, with perseverance, you find what you are looking for.  Right here on the SAAC forum.

Mickey
How do you feel you are being "blackballed".  You asked about ac parts on a 67 500. I own a non ac 350.
Just a breif glance through my registry and I barely counted 5 cars with AC. I don't know the total production figures but Its a small number of cars. Not going to be too many people who know this. Might be the same parts as a 390 mustang with air. Might be the same as  68 . Might not though. Do you want a day 1 assembly line answer or what will work answer?
What is your solution?  Should SAAC have a full time parts guy who knows every part number of every subset of cars built. Should this person be  24 7  full time ready to answer any and all questions? There might be 10 Shelby guys on the planet that could answer right away what you are asking.
Bob Gaines amazingly answers  more things then I can keep track of. It's all volunteer here. Some questions like that you may get answers by going to car shows, calling AC restoration places, mustang restoration places.
I may also be incorrect on this but the people in charge of the SAAC club and this SAAC forum are not the same people.

I knew this post would be controversial and I'm not a crybaby, I just want the forum to live up to it's potential. I also go to the "fordfe.com" and "fepower.net" forums in an attempt to keep from wearing out my welcome here and often see responses to specific questions about the GT500 setup that offer a potential answer and then add "but if you want to be sure, you should check the SAAC forum because that's were the experts are". That's good advice but it only helps if those experts are willing to answer a question. I'm aware that AC cars are rare, hence my care to get the correct answers to specific parts needs. I'm aware that input here is voluntary and I'm not claiming that anyone has an obligation to meet my needs. I'm only pointing out that when someone reads a post, knows the answer, and chooses not to reply, that the resulting forum is less than it could be and is less than the claim on the Web site. I very much appreciate all the help that I have received. I am just frustrated that some of the folks who are best equipped to help have chosen to stay on the sidelines all too often. I don't get it. I would never choose to leave someone hanging if all I had to do to help them with their project is type a sentence.

your question is 3 days old , really specific , (me i have no clue if it's correct or no ) , there's is so many posts on this forum with many questions asked , i almost only read 65,66 posts , sometimes 67,68 , almost never 69/70 , if the knowledges guys here are going on every new posts it must takes hours !
sometime you need to be patient to get the right guy on the right post !
And about Shelby's owners ,please 67 GT350 ,don't generalise , i love to talk  with owners of Mustang or other cars , (i m a mopar guy too..)

Mickey, I was going to try and answer your question on the A/C parts too.
You say you asked a simple question, for an accurate recreation. There is not a simple answer to your question, as has been answered above. There are too many potential 'gotchas' in going down that road. I am here to learn, and share my Ford knowledge when I think that it is applicable.

Like Dave said above, you most likely can't go wrong by using the 1967 Mustang 390 parts.

Don't get discouraged, we get pointed restoration questions at the shop all of the time. In the time allowed, we can offer limited basic advice. Mostly it is "use the search function on a growing list of forums".
A good source is: www.concoursmustang.com (http://www.concoursmustang.com) forum. There you can find advanced, quality, Mustang restoration information and techniques. Many of the same guys are over there too. Key thing: don't copy what you see on one car. Mustangs came out of 3 factories, they all can have different practices, chalk marks, details, suppliers, etc.

Another suggestion, go to MCA events. Use your camera and take lots of pictures, ask questions to the owners if they are willing to talk. Not all will be able to do a brain dump of quality information, at will.

SAAC is a great source, but so much of the archived information got lost a while back with the server crash. Lots of the guys use the search function to retrieve old information to answer new questions. It sucks, I know.

Wow, I'm really surprised at the tone of your post.  No one is getting paid to monitor this forum, especially the moderators.  If the 'experts' have the time, they will generally pitch in and answer any reasonable question posted here.  I have never seen it based on whether or not someone owns an original Shelby.  In fact, if you hadn't mentioned that you were building a repo, I don't think most folks would have figured that out just from your choice of section to post in alone.  These are difficult times, and everyone is a bit on edge.  Being cooped up with your family for a couple weeks will do that.  I hope you find the answers to your questions.

Good luck!

I think you need to set back and look at your email from the "experts" perspective.  A lot of these guys have been asked the same questions over and over and over again.  Now from my experience, everyone helps when asked but I also come at it asking and not expecting everyone to jump in to answer.  After all, we all have lives outside of the SAAC.

I have also built relationships with folks where I can call them and they can call me or we email directly.  The duty is upon you to research, attend meets, travel to see a car and network.  Guess what, that is how the experts became the experts.  I bet if you asked them most would say YES I drove 20hrs just to see this or that car. 

So just relax and make the connections, do your part instead of just expecting the easy way to work.

See my post on your other thread:

http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=9848.new#new

Enough said


Bill

Speaking for myself, I almost never attempt to answer questions because I don't consider myself an expert.

Quote from: Bill on March 28, 2020, 07:19:47 PM
See my post on your other thread:

http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=9848.new#new

Enough said


Bill

Bill, with all due respect (and I really mean that) if I did any of the things you said "don't do" then that would be enough said. My original comments weren't about one post it was about my larger experience on the forum. I included a reference to my latest post as an example of the larger issue. Does anybody really believe that nobody on this forum has seen that post that can tell me if those are the correct alternator brackets for an AC car? I didn't try to give an exhaustive history of my experience because that would be quite boring and I'm not going to turn this into an ongoing debate with everyone who responds because I still value this forum and the potential friendships that may develop as I work through my projects but when longtime forum members feel like they have to contact you offline and offer to assist you outside the forum because they don't want to suffer repercussions from other forum members that don't want to assist "clone builders" then I'm obviously not the only one who is aware of this issue. This is a real issue at the SAAC forum. It's not a matter of my impatience. I'm not the only one that's aware of it. This would be a better forum if this problem/attitude didn't exist. IMHO.

You don't have to convince me the forum has changed. I know very little about 1967s, and I am thinking there is a reason why you didnt ask your questions on Facebook, the movie forum, a political forum or the piano forum? If I could answer your questions, what would be my in incentive to wade through all that garbage?

I have been suggesting change for years, so welcome to the new forum. The people who want a social experience (not a car forum) are winning, so enjoy the lounge.

Patience Grasshopper, :)  There is an awful lot of information already on this forum. If you sit down like I have done and start reading from the earliest post up to the most recent you will find the answer to most questions you might have. I too have been frustrated a few times when I didn't get an answer but I would wait a few days before asking again because I realize everyone here is just another member (some more knowledgeable) than others and they do have other lives, so be patient, (by the way I do own a Shelby).
FYI, the search everyone mentions is not Google but the search button on this forum. I say this trying to be helpful not hateful.

TOB

Quote from: Coralsnake on March 28, 2020, 09:00:54 PM
You don't have to convince me the forum has changed. I know very little about 1967s, and I am thinking there is a reason why you didnt ask your questions on Facebook, the movie forum, a political forum or the piano forum? If I could answer your questions, what would be my in incentive to wade through all that garbage?

I have been suggesting change for years, so welcome to the new forum. The people who want a social experience (not a car forum) are winning, so enjoy the lounge.

+1

Quote from: mlplunkett on March 28, 2020, 08:39:22 PM

Bill, with all due respect (and I really mean that) if I did any of the things you said "don't do" then that would be enough said. My original comments weren't about one post it was about my larger experience on the forum. I included a reference to my latest post as an example of the larger issue.

The fact that you could not even wait 12 hours for an answer is exactly what I was going for. You made your initial post at this time stamp:
March 25, 2020, 11:35:13 AM »
You then added more data:
March 25, 2020, 12:41:43 PM
Then you follow up with a post time stamped:
March 25, 2020, 08:14:33 PM

This to me is the "tell" and why I posted #8
Nobody responded to your initial posts, made in the middle of a work day (Wednesday to be exact), you got miffed, maybe a little paranoid even and posted the following:
March 25, 2020, 08:14:33 PM

Quote from: mlplunkett on March 25, 2020, 08:14:33 PM
I thought this was a relatively simple question. Is there some reason that nobody is answering???

When people read such items, and your posts on this thread, they get turned off, they take this as a personal affront to their generosity in answering your questions, openly, freely, and as a gesture of good will, sharing their knowledge free of charge. Granted, not on your time line, but theirs. In this case, you looked the gift horse in the mouth, made a post, and then a thread (this one) that may now alienate those same people who were assisting you in the first place. Burning bridges is not something I suggest for anyone.

Again, just my two cents as someone who has been around since 1995 on various forums and/or newsgroups...To say I've been around the block with end users similar to yourself a few times would be an understatement. The ball is in your court so to speak

Once again, enough said.

Bill

Wow.  I missed a lot on the forum today.  :o

Hope everyone is healthy and well!

Also, I should mention that I, too, am having a tribute 1965 R Model built (although, it's more of a restomod).  I've had to ask several questions, and I haven't received any pushback.  Also, I've posted pictures of the car's progress in the tribute section (although, its been a while), and I've only received positive feedback.

I hope things turn around for you soon!

PS - I have a 67 A/C car; however, its a GT350, so I'm hesitant to pass along information that might only be small block specific.

Quote from: Bill on March 28, 2020, 10:27:29 PM

Quote from: mlplunkett on March 28, 2020, 08:39:22 PM

Bill, with all due respect (and I really mean that) if I did any of the things you said "don't do" then that would be enough said. My original comments weren't about one post it was about my larger experience on the forum. I included a reference to my latest post as an example of the larger issue.

The fact that you could not even wait 12 hours for an answer is exactly what I was going for. You made your initial post at this time stamp:
March 25, 2020, 11:35:13 AM »
You then added more data:
March 25, 2020, 12:41:43 PM
Then you follow up with a post time stamped:
March 25, 2020, 08:14:33 PM

This to me is the "tell" and why I posted #8
Nobody responded to your initial posts, made in the middle of a work day (Wednesday to be exact), you got miffed, maybe a little paranoid even and posted the following:
March 25, 2020, 08:14:33 PM

Quote from: mlplunkett on March 25, 2020, 08:14:33 PM
I thought this was a relatively simple question. Is there some reason that nobody is answering???

When people read such items, and your posts on this thread, they get turned off, they take this as a personal affront to their generosity in answering your questions, openly, freely, and as a gesture of good will, sharing their knowledge free of charge. Granted, not on your time line, but theirs. In this case, you looked the gift horse in the mouth, made a post, and then a thread (this one) that may now alienate those same people who were assisting you in the first place. Burning bridges is not something I suggest for anyone.

Again, just my two cents as someone who has been around since 1995 on various forums and/or newsgroups...To say I've been around the block with end users similar to yourself a few times would be an understatement. The ball is in your court so to speak

Once again, enough said.

Bill

+1

+2
Dave

+3

+4

I have always gotten a response and pertinent information when requested. Occasionally I may have gotten what I didn't want to hear.... but the truth is just that.  I for one certainly appreciate all the assistance I have been afforded in the past from the membership and consider myself fortunate to be able to be here.

+5

I could not agree more.  I have received invaluable help from folks on this forum.  It has been an amazing resource of information.

Corey

 On a side note  with a clone there are far too many variables to  have the "correct" part. (what else has been changed or added )
If it works  it is correct  might fit a truck  or a thunder bird , fairlane .

You guys want to focus on that one post for some reason so it's worth noting that nobody answered a relatively straightforward question after three days. I think that's telling but it's no big deal. This topic isn't about that one post as I said before. The "purists" know who they are and they know what I'm talking about. I hope things improve but the ones who don't like tribute cars will probably be even less likely to respond now that I raised the issue so there's no winning this debate. I just wanted to raise the issue in hopes that those involved would give it some thought. Others before me have raised the same issue. This is a great forum and I hope it gets even better. We all have much more in common than we have that divides us so let's focus on that.

Quote from: mlplunkett on March 29, 2020, 11:48:35 AM
You guys want to focus on that one post for some reason so it's worth noting that nobody answered a relatively straightforward question after three days. I think that's telling but it's no big deal. This topic isn't about that one post as I said before. The "purists" know who they are and they know what I'm talking about. I hope things improve but the ones who don't like tribute cars will probably be even less likely to respond now that I raised the issue so there's no winning this debate. I just wanted to raise the issue in hopes that those involved would give it some thought. Others before me have raised the same issue. This is a great forum and I hope it gets even better. We all have much more in common than we have that divides us so let's focus on that.

It takes two to Tango Babe! If you INSIST on going to the zoo and poking the lion with the stick there is some certainty to the eventual outcome.

The decision is on your part, not ours.

Hi-one thing you must be clear on is fact that no one  has any obligation or gets remuneration to spend their free time answering my question or anyone else's, which @ time might be strange or at least so perceived. I do agree there could be some uncold for derogatory remarks , and as of any walks of life you will always encounter some nice and some not so nice people. However be assured that at SAAC if you only allow some time and patients you will meet a lot of extraordinary , dedicated, friendliest , in short just awesome characters. I can give number of instances when my wife commented "HOW DO THOSE PEOPLE FIND PATIENCE " trying to help all of us thinking that getting answers is our right not privilege. In nut shell my car would still be in pieces or incorrectly assembled if it was not for help from likes of BOBS-ROBERTS-EDS--CHRISTS---[ and list goes on and on]  guys that help is endless.               GOOD LUCK , have patients and very soon you will have array of very good , proud to be associated with FRIENDS.                                           John Zajc

I have sometimes asked questions that I first should have done some degree of due diligence in researching for myself. But I jumped out there and  asked anyway. Sometimes I would get a answer and others, crickets. Then I had to ask myself, are the questions I am asking overly hard or are they about a subject only a few individuals would remotely have clue what I was talking about or why I was even asking it in first place. I have great respect for the dedicated folks here who recognize what its all about and are willing to share some of their life long experience. In my particular instance, there are 65 Mustangs and there are 65 Mustangs fortunate enough to become 65 GT350's that had so many unique things done to them, only another owner would have a clue why I am so anal about how a oil pressure line was cut and routed by the boys at SA when they did the oil line installation. To me, it MATTERS how and where the factory harness was cut and even if it was retaped or not. If I don't get a response to these type questions, I don't get my Hanes in a wad. Not everyone know how many holes a early Detroit Locker has in the sides, was it 12 or 4 and to me, why did they change. These folks, even those who sit behind thousands of lights at 49,000 feet getting coffee spilled on them by the FA, are invaluable, each in their own way. Remember, the average age of original owners is getting up there and we are not all the sharpest tack in the box. To some, this is a hobby, others, it is an escape and a portal to a much different time and place. These cars are an extension of ourselves. Its way too easy to heap wet warm cow pie in a fan than it is to have patience and respect for our mutual friends and their unique qualities, and sometimes quirks.

Where else can you go to find that special header bolt that was only used on a early GT350 that average person will never see. SAAC..

Nuff said and I burned my soap box.

In my view, SAAC has improved considerably over the years. I was a long-time lurker on the old forum. It was a goldmine of information for my '65 GT350 Restomod build, which I'm embarrassed to admit is now in it's fourth decade of construction. Talk about Scope Creep!

I began anonymous research in the SAAC forum in the early 2000's.  The record of older posts showed occasional drama between the owners of original Shelby's and those of clones. The concern was generally due to the building of counterfeit Shelby's which were then sold as original. One comment I heard several times was: "There are more Shelby cars now than ever came out of Shelby American." There were veiled allegations that some of the convincing counterfeits and rebodied cars are in the SAAC registry as legitimate.  A small, but vocal SAAC contingent strongly discouraged the building of clone cars. They were generally countered by others who saw some benefit to encourage these projects.

Because of this debate, I chose to not register for the forum, or become a member, but continued to use the forum for research on my car. However, as time went on, I noticed that the new posts had few and milder such altercations. Of course, there was still some skepticism over suspicious questions from new and secretive forum members, but in my opinion, that is to be expected. IMO, it is a healthy defense of the marque. One of the benefits of clone/tribute cars is that it bolsters the market for reproduction parts that wouldn't be as extensive if it served only the originals. I use reproduction parts to avoid keeping the rare OEM parts available for the originals.

When the forum imploded in 2018, there was an opportunity to start fresh. I had seen enough support for tribute cars to decide it was time for me to support the organization that had helped me over the years. I don't post very often because my Shelby education pales in comparison to many here. Also, I don't have the drive for authenticity that I value in others. My passion lies elsewhere. I can't say I've always agreed with the responses I've gotten to my posts, but I believe they were fair and honest.

Well discussed and answered by many members above...

...but worth a fast note....

You state: " SAAC is not living up to it's purpose" ..I'll take exception to that.

SAAC Forum is a free COMMUNITY for members and non members alike. Several of us spend quite a lot of time and virtual capital to maintain and run this Forum.
It is not a direct pipe to the core, but rather a comfortable place to discuss any and all things related to our cars.
It is not a vending machine where you insert a question and get an immediate reply.

Consider it a large room with friends that come and go.. some just read, some always give their two cents.
We even created the Lounge to allow non-specific non-car related conversation... since most folks are human and enjoy non-tech talk at times.

Bill and I spend loads of behind the scenes energy to quietly sort posts to the correct areas.. to help make sense and order out of the posts.

Sorry you didn't get an instant answer... maybe try asking again in a few days after an original post with crickets.

...but don't bash SAAC for not supporting our mission... the Forum is just one part of the effort.

Thanks
Ron

Thank you Ron.  I know this forum has provided me with not only excellent advice but valuable contacts in obtaining "holy grail" parts.

Thanks to all.

Cheers, Steve

Quote from: computerworks on March 29, 2020, 03:37:36 PM
Well discussed and answered by many members above...

...but worth a fast note....

You state: " SAAC is not living up to it's purpose" ..I'll take exception to that.

SAAC Forum is a free COMMUNITY for members and non members alike. Several of us spend quite a lot of time and virtual capital to maintain and run this Forum.
It is not a direct pipe to the core, but rather a comfortable place to discuss any and all things related to our cars.
It is not a vending machine where you insert a question and get an immediate reply.

Consider it a large room with friends that come and go.. some just read, some always give their two cents.
We even created the Lounge to allow non-specific non-car related conversation... since most folks are human and enjoy non-tech talk at times.

Bill and I spend loads of behind the scenes energy to quietly sort posts to the correct areas.. to help make sense and order out of the posts.

Sorry you didn't get an instant answer... maybe try asking again in a few days after an original post with crickets.

...but don't bash SAAC for not supporting our mission... the Forum is just one part of the effort.

Thanks
Ron

Hear, hear  .

For what it's worth, I've owned my real Shelby for 41 years and been a SAAC member longer than that. I joined this forum when it was first formed. Sometimes I ask what I think are simple questions that should yield immediate and authoritative replies... and get crickets. I usually wait a week or two and refresh my post with a follow-up. If I still don't get anything I try posting in a different section of the forum. Maybe the people I need don't visit the area I originally posted in. If I still don't get an answer I try other sources; like personal friends who may know what I need, or other forums like the ConcoursMustang forum.

At no time do I think I'm being ignored or "blackballed." It could be the answer is not as easy as I thought. Maybe the "right" person simply hasn't read my question yet. Maybe the people who know are just too busy with other things in their life at this time. Whatever.

The point is, while I'm pleased when I get an answer, I don't think I'm entitled to one. And I don't feel compelled to chastise the community because they don't cater to my needs.

Interestingly, I sometimes get the needed answer months after the original post.

And, on occasion, I've been the one who knew an answer and had the honor of helping someone. But that's embarrassingly rare.

Steve

I echo Ron's words. This forum has been an amazing resource in my resto and I have also met some great people who have been kind with advice and bits and pieces I have needed over the years. Anytime you put a bunch of (mostly) blokes together you are gonna get the off flare up off Agro but by large we all are here for the same reason.... cars and the future of this hobby. Relax and chill, there are bigger problems at the moment

Trent must have missed some of the hostility. I am usually willing to help just about anyone. I don't know everything, nor do the "experts".
Too many variables. I think most of them do the best they can based on information available at the moment and what they've noted.

 Reading all the answers on this post makes me proud to member of SAAC .thank you all.

Quote from: computerworks on March 29, 2020, 03:37:36 PM
Well discussed and answered by many members above...

...but worth a fast note....

You state: " SAAC is not living up to it's purpose" ..I'll take exception to that.

SAAC Forum is a free COMMUNITY for members and non members alike. Several of us spend quite a lot of time and virtual capital to maintain and run this Forum.
It is not a direct pipe to the core, but rather a comfortable place to discuss any and all things related to our cars.
It is not a vending machine where you insert a question and get an immediate reply.

Consider it a large room with friends that come and go.. some just read, some always give their two cents.
We even created the Lounge to allow non-specific non-car related conversation... since most folks are human and enjoy non-tech talk at times.

Bill and I spend loads of behind the scenes energy to quietly sort posts to the correct areas.. to help make sense and order out of the posts.

Sorry you didn't get an instant answer... maybe try asking again in a few days after an original post with crickets.

...but don't bash SAAC for not supporting our mission... the Forum is just one part of the effort.

Thanks
Ron

+6....or is it +7?

You can always start your own Forum:  www.saacforumtribute.com   ;D

+ 8 the forum is what it is and what you envision it should be

Quote from: computerworks on March 29, 2020, 03:37:36 PM
Well discussed and answered by many members above...

...but worth a fast note....

You state: " SAAC is not living up to it's purpose" ..I'll take exception to that.

SAAC Forum is a free COMMUNITY for members and non members alike. Several of us spend quite a lot of time and virtual capital to maintain and run this Forum.
It is not a direct pipe to the core, but rather a comfortable place to discuss any and all things related to our cars.
It is not a vending machine where you insert a question and get an immediate reply.

Consider it a large room with friends that come and go.. some just read, some always give their two cents.
We even created the Lounge to allow non-specific non-car related conversation... since most folks are human and enjoy non-tech talk at times.

Bill and I spend loads of behind the scenes energy to quietly sort posts to the correct areas.. to help make sense and order out of the posts.

Sorry you didn't get an instant answer... maybe try asking again in a few days after an original post with crickets.

...but don't bash SAAC for not supporting our mission... the Forum is just one part of the effort.

Thanks
Ron

Quote from: computerworks on March 29, 2020, 03:37:36 PM
Well discussed and answered by many members above...

...but worth a fast note....

You state: " SAAC is not living up to it's purpose" ..I'll take exception to that.

SAAC Forum is a free COMMUNITY for members and non members alike. Several of us spend quite a lot of time and virtual capital to maintain and run this Forum.
It is not a direct pipe to the core, but rather a comfortable place to discuss any and all things related to our cars.
It is not a vending machine where you insert a question and get an immediate reply.

Consider it a large room with friends that come and go.. some just read, some always give their two cents.
We even created the Lounge to allow non-specific non-car related conversation... since most folks are human and enjoy non-tech talk at times.

Bill and I spend loads of behind the scenes energy to quietly sort posts to the correct areas.. to help make sense and order out of the posts.

Sorry you didn't get an instant answer... maybe try asking again in a few days after an original post with crickets.

...but don't bash SAAC for not supporting our mission... the Forum is just one part of the effort.

Thanks
Ron

If this isn't the primary reason for the forum, then what is?

Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 30, 2020, 10:00:57 AM
If this isn't the primary reason for the forum, then what is?

The primary reason for the Forum, as stated in my post, is to provide a community for like-minded friends that want to talk, ask, listen or just hang out together.
The subforums try and give a "room" for any interest... specific, general, social or just for fun

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Quote from: computerworks on March 30, 2020, 10:42:34 AM

Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 30, 2020, 10:00:57 AM
If this isn't the primary reason for the forum, then what is?

The primary reason for the Forum, as stated in my post, is to provide a community for like-minded friends that want to talk, ask, listen or just hang out together.
The subforums try and give a "room" for any interest... specific, general, social or just for fun

Quote from: computerworks on March 30, 2020, 10:42:34 AM

Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 30, 2020, 10:00:57 AM
If this isn't the primary reason for the forum, then what is?

The primary reason for the Forum, as stated in my post, is to provide a community for like-minded friends that want to talk, ask, listen or just hang out together.
The subforums try and give a "room" for any interest... specific, general, social or just for fun

OK, well now we're getting somewhere. Clarification.

Just so I understand correctly, the primary reason for the forum is NOT the cars, it's for socializing?

Please feel free to correct me if I have misinterpreted this.

Thanks Ron

Chris

Best source on the internet to(filter out) accurate info.on the original cars built by Shelby American inc. and Shelby Automotive between 1962 and 1969/70 .period....IMHO ;D

Quote from: computerworks on March 30, 2020, 10:42:34 AM

Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 30, 2020, 10:00:57 AM
If this isn't the primary reason for the forum, then what is?

The primary reason for the Forum, as stated in my post, is to provide a community for like-minded friends that want to talk, ask, listen or just hang out together.
The subforums try and give a "room" for any interest... specific, general, social or just for fun

       To ANYONE who doesn't appreciate the above statement , you DO NOT HAVE to come here ! YOU have the choice I guarantee you. MANY of us enjoy it here and use it AS STATED above. Sure sometimes we have to endure an occasional clash of EGOs but "I" feel some of that is due to the medium we communicate with on ANY forum. I have met MANY of the people  on this forum in person and am able to "filter" responses based on having met them face to face. Changed? Yes I see more clashes among members than before the crash. If a person goes to a forum intent on changing it to what THEY want , "I" suggest they start their own.
"I" for one am VERY thankful Ron has provided this opportunity for anyone ( even non owners) to enjoy. From the looks above this post , others agree.
    Randy Gillis

I agree, although it is my personal opinion that if you don't want to talk about vintage Shelbys then there are plenty of other venues for you.

Like others, I have left other forums because they became too diluted.

I just have higher expectations for the only Shelby club.

I understand its a difference of philosophy.

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Quote from: gt350hr on March 30, 2020, 03:45:58 PM

Quote from: computerworks on March 30, 2020, 10:42:34 AM

Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 30, 2020, 10:00:57 AM
If this isn't the primary reason for the forum, then what is?

The primary reason for the Forum, as stated in my post, is to provide a community for like-minded friends that want to talk, ask, listen or just hang out together.
The subforums try and give a "room" for any interest... specific, general, social or just for fun

       To ANYONE who doesn't appreciate the above statement , you DO NOT HAVE to come here ! YOU have the choice I guarantee you. MANY of us enjoy it here and use it AS STATED above. Sure sometimes we have to endure an occasional clash of EGOs but "I" feel some of that is due to the medium we communicate with on ANY forum. I have met MANY of the people  on this forum in person and am able to "filter" responses based on having met them face to face. Changed? Yes I see more clashes among members than before the crash. If a person goes to a forum intent on changing it to what THEY want , "I" suggest they start their own.
"I" for one am VERY thankful Ron has provided this opportunity for anyone ( even non owners) to enjoy. From the looks above this post , others agree.
    Randy Gillis

Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on March 30, 2020, 04:17:27 PM
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Quote from: gt350hr on March 30, 2020, 03:45:58 PM

Quote from: computerworks on March 30, 2020, 10:42:34 AM

Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 30, 2020, 10:00:57 AM
If this isn't the primary reason for the forum, then what is?

The primary reason for the Forum, as stated in my post, is to provide a community for like-minded friends that want to talk, ask, listen or just hang out together.
The subforums try and give a "room" for any interest... specific, general, social or just for fun

       To ANYONE who doesn't appreciate the above statement , you DO NOT HAVE to come here ! YOU have the choice I guarantee you. MANY of us enjoy it here and use it AS STATED above. Sure sometimes we have to endure an occasional clash of EGOs but "I" feel some of that is due to the medium we communicate with on ANY forum. I have met MANY of the people  on this forum in person and am able to "filter" responses based on having met them face to face. Changed? Yes I see more clashes among members than before the crash. If a person goes to a forum intent on changing it to what THEY want , "I" suggest they start their own.
"I" for one am VERY thankful Ron has provided this opportunity for anyone ( even non owners) to enjoy. From the looks above this post , others agree.
    Randy Gillis

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Quote from: computerworks on March 30, 2020, 10:42:34 AM

Quote from: Chris Thauberger on March 30, 2020, 10:00:57 AM
If this isn't the primary reason for the forum, then what is?

The primary reason for the Forum, as stated in my post, is to provide a community for like-minded friends that want to talk, ask, listen or just hang out together.
The subforums try and give a "room" for any interest... specific, general, social or just for fun

Good to see you Ron.

Quote from: mlplunkett on March 29, 2020, 11:48:35 AM
You guys want to focus on that one post for some reason so it's worth noting that nobody answered a relatively straightforward question after three days. I think that's telling but it's no big deal. This topic isn't about that one post as I said before. The "purists" know who they are and they know what I'm talking about. I hope things improve but the ones who don't like tribute cars will probably be even less likely to respond now that I raised the issue so there's no winning this debate. I just wanted to raise the issue in hopes that those involved would give it some thought. Others before me have raised the same issue. This is a great forum and I hope it gets even better. We all have much more in common than we have that divides us so let's focus on that.

Nothing is perfect.

I stumbled across this post and I have a couple of observation for you to contemplate.

Why are you obsessed with gathering correct parts for a car that is not real?

Do you understand that this forum and the registry is about the preservation and history of  Shelby vehicles?

I personally would much rather have a really nice Mustang then a fake Shelby.   

Too each his own.
I have a friend who is Shelby owner, and whenever anyone was working on a Mustang, he would always refer to the Mustang as "that" or "its good enough, for that"
Sounds degrading to me.

Quote from: 67 GT350 on May 25, 2020, 11:19:08 AM
Too each his own.
I have a friend who is Shelby owner, and whenever anyone was working on a Mustang, he would always refer to the Mustang as "that" or "its good enough, for that"
Sounds degrading to me.

Looking for correct parts for a fake is the definition of an oxymoron.

It boils down to cost, when something is copied it is a form of flatery. A simple observation of lets use jewelry as an example, Millions of cubic zirconias have been sold simply because of cost ,they look and feel like the real thing but are not. Trying to look the part can be just as rewarding for the car crowd if you can't pull it off financially. Enjoy the DIAMONDS... SHELBYS... or ZIRCONIAS its all about the enjoyment! Be safe out there.

Quote from: 427heaven on May 25, 2020, 12:09:17 PM
It boils down to cost, when something is copied it is a form of flatery. A simple observation of lets use jewelry as an example, Millions of cubic zirconias have been sold simply because of cost ,they look and feel like the real thing but are not. Trying to look the part can be just as rewarding for the car crowd if you can't pull it off financially. Enjoy the DIAMONDS... SHELBYS... or ZIRCONIAS its all about the enjoyment! Be safe out there.

The outfit made for "Zirconias"

Isn't that Huggy Bear on Stasky & Hutch  ;D

Quote from: 69mach351w on May 25, 2020, 05:03:31 PM
Isn't that Huggy Bear on Stasky & Hutch  ;D

I think you are right

Certainly is.
Was hoping to see the heels with the goldfish.

Mr. Antonio Fargas.....

Quote from: Bigfoot on May 25, 2020, 08:48:14 PM
Certainly is.
Was hoping to see the heels with the goldfish.

As you wish......

Quote from: 427hunter on May 25, 2020, 12:26:48 PM

Quote from: 427heaven on May 25, 2020, 12:09:17 PM
It boils down to cost, when something is copied it is a form of flatery. A simple observation of lets use jewelry as an example, Millions of cubic zirconias have been sold simply because of cost ,they look and feel like the real thing but are not. Trying to look the part can be just as rewarding for the car crowd if you can't pull it off financially. Enjoy the DIAMONDS... SHELBYS... or ZIRCONIAS its all about the enjoyment! Be safe out there.

The outfit made for "Zirconias"

WHAT TIME IS IT!!!  Its FLAVA FLAV time. Last seen driving a fake COBRA down into south central L.A. Its all good we love fake cobras also. The most copied kit car on the planet! ;D

Quote from: 427heaven on May 25, 2020, 11:15:56 PM

Quote from: 427hunter on May 25, 2020, 12:26:48 PM

Quote from: 427heaven on May 25, 2020, 12:09:17 PM
It boils down to cost, when something is copied it is a form of flatery. A simple observation of lets use jewelry as an example, Millions of cubic zirconias have been sold simply because of cost ,they look and feel like the real thing but are not. Trying to look the part can be just as rewarding for the car crowd if you can't pull it off financially. Enjoy the DIAMONDS... SHELBYS... or ZIRCONIAS its all about the enjoyment! Be safe out there.

The outfit made for "Zirconias"

WHAT TIME IS IT!!!  Its FLAVA FLAV time. Last seen driving a fake COBRA down into south central L.A. Its all good we love fake cobras also. The most copied kit car on the planet! ;D

Unless you got a mouse in your pocket "We" should be "I"  ;)

Quote from: 427hunter on May 26, 2020, 12:50:51 AM

Quote from: 427heaven on May 25, 2020, 11:15:56 PM

Quote from: 427hunter on May 25, 2020, 12:26:48 PM

Quote from: 427heaven on May 25, 2020, 12:09:17 PM
It boils down to cost, when something is copied it is a form of flatery. A simple observation of lets use jewelry as an example, Millions of cubic zirconias have been sold simply because of cost ,they look and feel like the real thing but are not. Trying to look the part can be just as rewarding for the car crowd if you can't pull it off financially. Enjoy the DIAMONDS... SHELBYS... or ZIRCONIAS its all about the enjoyment! Be safe out there.

That's not a mouse...  Moving along.  ;)

The outfit made for "Zirconias"

WHAT TIME IS IT!!!  Its FLAVA FLAV time. Last seen driving a fake COBRA down into south central L.A. Its all good we love fake cobras also. The most copied kit car on the planet! ;D

Unless you got a mouse in your pocket "We" should be "I"  ;)

Wait just a moment...Is someone suggesting there are FAKE Cobras running around out there? What's this all about?

He said "Kit car" in his last sentence. I don't think he meant fake as in a VIN tag being swapped to a kit. I'm sure most here would spot it right away.

Good morning Senor Ned, we affectionately call these fobras

Quote from: Cobra Ned on May 26, 2020, 07:19:24 AM
Wait just a moment...Is someone suggesting there are FAKE Cobras running around out there? What's this all about?

By FAKE  I mean anything that wasn't produced at SHELBY AMERICAN during that original run of real cars from 1963 - 1967. No FOBRAS... FAKYDOOS ... KIT CARS... CONTINUATION CARS... 4000 SERIES TO 8000 SERIES CARS... Parts found weathering in the desert that someone forgot miraculously, The list is long, but the facts are, many of these are actually better then the originals and many on here own or have owned one of these including myself. A couple of examples are KIWIS and RUBENS cars, They are faster, better looking, better engineered, so when it comes to I vs WE there are many on here that would agree that there is just as much or more fun factor,built into these cars that could run circles around an original. Most of those are enjoyed daily, while the others collect dust in corners of shops and garages worldwide.

Quote from: 427heaven on May 26, 2020, 10:00:23 AM
By FAKE  I mean anything that wasn't produced at SHELBY AMERICAN during that original run of real cars from 1963 - 1967. No FOBRAS... FAKYDOOS ... KIT CARS... CONTINUATION CARS... 4000 SERIES TO 8000 SERIES CARS... Parts found weathering in the desert that someone forgot miraculously, The list is long, but the facts are, many of these are actually better then the originals and many on here own or have owned one of these including myself. A couple of examples are KIWIS and RUBENS cars, They are faster, better looking, better engineered, so when it comes to I vs WE there are many on here that would agree that there is just as much or more fun factor,built into these cars that could run circles around an original. Most of those are enjoyed daily, while the others collect dust in corners of shops and garages worldwide.

You appear to confuse your opinion with facts. You like fake things others do not, you think fake Cobras are better then the original other do not. You need to start using "I" a lot more.  ;)

Quote from: 427heaven on May 26, 2020, 10:00:23 AM
By FAKE  I mean anything that wasn't produced at SHELBY AMERICAN during that original run of real cars from 1963 - 1967. No FOBRAS... FAKYDOOS ... KIT CARS... CONTINUATION CARS... 4000 SERIES TO 8000 SERIES CARS... Parts found weathering in the desert that someone forgot miraculously, The list is long, but the facts are, many of these are actually better then the originals and many on here own or have owned one of these including myself. A couple of examples are KIWIS and RUBENS cars, They are faster, better looking, better engineered, so when it comes to I vs WE there are many on here that would agree that there is just as much or more fun factor,built into these cars that could run circles around an original. Most of those are enjoyed daily, while the others collect dust in corners of shops and garages worldwide.

.   I doubt if "most" people  "enjoy" their replicas daily(many ways to "enjoy" a car,but I am assuming you mean driving) as they are not "practical" drivers.As far as the original cars ,they are not "practical" drivers ,but you might be surprised how often many owners (especially long term owners) "enjoy" their cars.One size don't fit all in this case IMHO.Too simplistic...... ;)

We all have our preferences...and what our budgets can afford.  I'd own a real 427 Cobra if I could spend the major bucks it takes to buy one these days. 

As a "consolation prize", in 2017, I bought a superb Kirkham 427 from Bruce Canepa, and that our own "Mr Cobra" himself told me he'd buy if I didn't.  That was good enough validation for me. 

I'm thrilled with it, and drive it about once a week.

I also own a KR with a 427. It's fun too, but gets much less exercise than the Kirkham.

So...Real vs Replica?  Depends on a whole bunch of factors.  I'm happy with one of each.

I enjoyed the part about how the fake Cobras are better-looking than the originals and can run rings around them. Uh-huh.

After going through a true restoration on my 67 Shelby I know what the cost are, even if you do the vast majority of the work yourself.  A well built replica is  probably at minimum a 100,000 investment .
I don't see anyone turning their nose at the endless number of Cobra kit cars that exist and are still being produced, which far exceed the number of replica Shelby Mustangs.
Truth be known; I have seen two or three cars out over 30 years on a pleasure drive, getting food at a drive-thru or even a Starbucks.  (I do at least once a week weather providing)
The vehicles that actually bother me are the Eleanor cars. I hate it when people call my Shelby that. No, it's a 1967 Shelby GT 500. The other isn't anymore true to a Shelby than the Batmobile.
I think Shelby selling his name to any Tom, Dick or Harry that wanted to produce something with his name on it made me sick. It  diluted the Shelby  name and much of the real heritage in my opinion.

Quote from: Side-Oilers on May 26, 2020, 03:27:10 PM
We all have our preferences...and what our budgets can afford.  I'd own a real 427 Cobra if I could spend the major bucks it takes to buy one these days. 

As a "consolation prize", in 2017, I bought a superb Kirkham 427 from Bruce Canepa, and that our own "Mr Cobra" himself told me he'd buy if I didn't.  That was good enough validation for me. 

I'm thrilled with it, and drive it about once a week.

I also own a KR with a 427. It's fun too, but gets much less exercise than the Kirkham.

So...Real vs Replica?  Depends on a whole bunch of factors.  I'm happy with one of each.

You have damn fine taste.

Quote from: The Going Thing on May 26, 2020, 08:50:21 PM
After going through a true restoration on my 67 Shelby I know what the cost are, even if you do the vast majority of the work yourself.  A well built replica is  probably at minimum a 100,000 investment .
I don't see anyone turning their nose at the endless number of Cobra kit cars that exist and are still being produced, which far exceed the number of replica Shelby Mustangs.
Truth be known; I have seen two or three cars out over 30 years on a pleasure drive, getting food at a drive-thru or even a Starbucks.  (I do at least once a week weather providing)
The vehicles that actually bother me are the Eleanor cars. I hate it when people call my Shelby that. No, it's a 1967 Shelby GT 500. The other isn't anymore true to a Shelby than the Batmobile.
I think Shelby selling his name to any Tom, Dick or Harry that wanted to produce something with his name on it made me sick. It  diluted the Shelby  name and much of the real heritage in my opinion.

I don't think CS was involved with the Eleanor licensing thing;

https://www.eleanor-mustang.com/history.html

When people refer to my car as an "Eleanor" I always politely correct them the same way:"Eleanor was a replica this is a REAL Shelby".Simple and concise IMHO.

I do the same.  "Eleanor" is a Halicki Mustang, not a Shelby.  No Shelby License on the design or the name, even if someone has a CS signature on the dash. 8)

Quote from: 2112 on May 26, 2020, 09:59:25 PM

Quote from: Side-Oilers on May 26, 2020, 03:27:10 PM
We all have our preferences...and what our budgets can afford.  I'd own a real 427 Cobra if I could spend the major bucks it takes to buy one these days. 

As a "consolation prize", in 2017, I bought a superb Kirkham 427 from Bruce Canepa, and that our own "Mr Cobra" himself told me he'd buy if I didn't.  That was good enough validation for me. 

I'm thrilled with it, and drive it about once a week.

I also own a KR with a 427. It's fun too, but gets much less exercise than the Kirkham.

So...Real vs Replica?  Depends on a whole bunch of factors.  I'm happy with one of each.

You have damn fine taste.

Thank you, sir!

Side- Oilers thats the definition of speed and beauty... I am quite sure those would run circles around the ORIGINALS! Just to be clear I promote cars that might not be on everyones radar but DAMN those are sweet. Maybe not driven daily, but much more than the trailer queens are driven that are 1,000,000 plus ;)

Quote from: 557 on May 26, 2020, 10:03:34 PM
When people refer to my car as an "Eleanor" I always politely correct them the same way:"Eleanor was a replica this is a REAL Shelby".Simple and concise IMHO.

Truth be told, I really don't like fake things (cars,watches,etc). I have a difficult time understanding the desire to have something that is not authentic. The real cars have history and a connection to a time and a place that the fakes do not. I would rather have an authentic Mach 1 or Boss then a fake gt350 or 500. One of the reasons I restored my 69 was because they are too expensive and complicated to be worth faking. This is the second 66 gt350 I have owned and the question is always the same, "is it real"? 

Quote from: Cobra Ned on May 26, 2020, 06:27:23 PM
I enjoyed the part about how the fake Cobras are better-looking than the originals and can run rings around them. Uh-huh.

NED Look at the 9000 series Daytona Coupes in another thread on here. That would be my definition of a better looking , better engineered, FAKYDO COBRA. UH HUH. Just Sayin.

Quote from: 427hunter on May 26, 2020, 11:31:06 PM

Quote from: 557 on May 26, 2020, 10:03:34 PM
When people refer to my car as an "Eleanor" I always politely correct them the same way:"Eleanor was a replica this is a REAL Shelby".Simple and concise IMHO.

Truth be told, I really don't like fake things (cars,watches,etc). I have a difficult time understanding the desire to have something that is not authentic. The real cars have history and a connection to a time and a place that the fakes do not. I would rather have an authentic Mach 1 or Boss then a fake gt350 or 500. One of the reasons I restored my 69 was because they are too expensive and complicated to be worth faking. This is the second 66 gt350 I have owned and the question is always the same, "is it real"?
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The only "cheap" Shelby to clone is the 65-6 cars.  It's a major investment on the 67-70 cars.  Clearly, the 68-70 cars don't have the eye appeal of the 67 Shelby cars built at Shelby American nor are they as aesthetically as nice.  The other issue is demand Vs. availability.
The 68-70 cars really have no history either other than wearing the Shelby name. 70 cars being left-over unsold 69 cars.  Their market values are also witness to this fact. It's not likely with exception of the one off engineering vehicles, 68-70 cars will likely never have the popularity or value of the 65-7 cars.
Why any of the "Eleanore"  or continuation cars are give a place in any registry is beyond me.

Yet another person who can't separate opinions from facts - I don't like fakes or "bling bling" pimp mobile's with funky paint and oversized wheels, you do.  I like 69-70's you don't. These are called opinions - start using "I" more.

Adding a pronoun to fact doesn't change the market. I don't even use the word "Fake" That only comes into play of one attempts to pass one off as a real vehicle. The old adage is: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
I don't set what appeals to others, I just stated a fact historical sales figures. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I haven't seen a real 427 Cobra on the road since I rode in my uncle's car in Maryland in the late 70's. The limited number of cars necessitates the need for the market.   No matter which vintage Shelby you drive, you're always going to get that question: Is it a real car?
Goes with the territory when people watch hyperinflation of the markets by Barrett-Jackson and others. They then realize the value of what you're driving.

Since you keep referring to the "market" , do you think the "market" is funky paint, big wheels and chrome?

I am just not understanding your point?

What number 67 do you own? Original color? numbers matching motor and trans?

I am interested to know since the "market" you keep talking about is concourse cars.   

I don't do Concours. I won't own a dust collector. The market I am referencing is the 68-70 market.  I watch the sales prices of vehicles as most here do.
As for my 67 GT500 it is beautifully done, but was not done with Concours in mind. I actually drive my car. No, It's also not it's original 60's Funk-A- Delic Lime Gold. It is an original 67 color.  I have had my car since 1982, so I'm also not a late-comer Shelby owner.   Other than a few changes, much with safety in mind and dealing with tire changes due to lack of choices it retains its lines. A little lower, more aggressive looking and plenty of plating on OE parts. I grew tired of the black and bare aluminum look that 99.999% of the cars have so I thought I'd make some changes that can be changed back if I decided to go that route. 

Quote from: 427heaven on May 26, 2020, 11:25:55 PM
Side- Oilers thats the definition of speed and beauty... I am quite sure those would run circles around the ORIGINALS! Just to be clear I promote cars that might not be on everyones radar but DAMN those are sweet. Maybe not driven daily, but much more than the trailer queens are driven that are 1,000,000 plus ;)

Thank you, 427heaven.  You and 2112 made my day!   

To each his own...but I think we're all here for our love of powerful vintage Fords. Shelbys and Cobras in particular. But also Bosses, Machs, K-codes and so on. Even the occasional California Special and Cougar.  And maybe a well-done Kirkham.  ;D

BTW: Whenever I'm out in my Kirkham, I always head the inevitable question off at the pass, with "It's not a real one, it's a Kirkham. But it has an aluminum body like the real ones."   Fair enough? 

I also agree that Eleanors SUCK!   

What does that have to do with anything? I've been here for 11 years?

Quote from: The Going Thing on May 27, 2020, 01:55:12 AM
What does that have to do with anything? I've been here for 11 years?

What number is your car?

Tell us about your money machine - please educate this 69 owner, since you are an "old time" Shelby guy and I clearly don't understand the "market". I always thought the market was correct cars that had a good history, who knew the "market" was only pimped out 67  ;D 

Side Oilers. I love the Kirkham Cobras in the polished finish. They're unique.  The good news is you can have a bit of fun knowing that it's replaceable.
I like all Shelbys. Some more than others.  I have owned a Chevrolet. It spent more time at the dealer with warranty repairs and recalls than I used it. I sold it after four years with 22,000 miles. Fans, clutch, axle seals, three transmissions, ac compressor, fuel pumps.  My last GM product.
I will always be an FE fan. Between Robotnic and Patrick we've turned the bow tie crowd on their ear winning many of the most recent engine master competitions.  700+ streetable horsepower is now commonplace.

I find the hostility here rather disturbing anymore.  Hopefully it will return to a norm at some juncture.

Quote from: The Going Thing on May 27, 2020, 02:04:35 AM
Side Oilers. I love the Kirkham Cobras in the polished finish. They're unique.  The good news is you can have a bit of fun knowing that it's replaceable.
I like all Shelbys. Some more than others.  I have owned a Chevrolet. It spent more time at the dealer with warranty repairs and recalls than I used it. I sold it after four years with 22,000 miles. Fans, clutch, axle seals, three transmissions, ac compressor, fuel pumps.  My last GM product.
I will always be an FE fan. Between Robotnic and Patrick we've turned the bow tie crowd on their ear winning many of the most recent engine master competitions.  700+ streetable horsepower is now commonplace.

I find the hostility here rather disturbing anymore.  Hopefully it will return to a norm at some juncture.

You are super passive aggressive, I am not (yet another difference) all that dribble about the "market" and now you are upset that I pointed out your pimp mobile is not considered part of the market because it's modified - BTW What number is your 67? Still waiting......

Quote from: 427hunter on May 27, 2020, 02:12:28 AM

Quote from: The Going Thing on May 27, 2020, 02:04:35 AM
Side Oilers. I love the Kirkham Cobras in the polished finish. They're unique.  The good news is you can have a bit of fun knowing that it's replaceable.
I like all Shelbys. Some more than others.  I have owned a Chevrolet. It spent more time at the dealer with warranty repairs and recalls than I used it. I sold it after four years with 22,000 miles. Fans, clutch, axle seals, three transmissions, ac compressor, fuel pumps.  My last GM product.
I will always be an FE fan. Between Robotnic and Patrick we've turned the bow tie crowd on their ear winning many of the most recent engine master competitions.  700+ streetable horsepower is now commonplace.

I find the hostility here rather disturbing anymore.  Hopefully it will return to a norm at some juncture.
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I decided to take a look at your post. You're calling me passive aggressive?  I'm Mr. Rogers in comparison to your nastiness. Calling people liars openly and telling them "I call BS" and then attacking someone and calling them stupid for wanting to do their vehicle as it would have came from Shelby.  Who the F*ck are you?  You're no one.
Not one goddamn post you put up here is helpful.  You behave like a drunk. I encountered plenty of them in my years on the job. 
Your quote says it all.  "602 stole 2000 hours of my life"  You want a brownie button?
I did EVERYTHING on my Shelby but the exterior paint work and the 3rd member set up. It was about love of the car.  I wish I only had 2000 hours in it.  It didn't steal anything. It's beautiful. I'm very proud of it and my first two outings were Best of Show awards.
Making your childish pimpmobile comments about my Shelby and throwing school yard insults? You get bullied when you were in school so you're a keyboard warrior now?
I have posted several pictures.  You have what, 48 post? Not one constructive post or commentary, just your ignorant hostile personal attacks on multiple members and yet they remained polite to you despite calling them a liar? Not in my AO would you walk away with a declaration of that nature.







You are super passive aggressive, I am not (yet another difference) all that dribble about the "market" and now you are upset that I pointed out your pimp mobile is not considered part of the market because it's modified - BTW What number is your 67? Still waiting......

I don't see the hobby in bad shape at all. 

What I see are great cars are still holding a tremendous value, original and NOS parts are now seeing the light of day since long time collectors are letting them go or passing on and their families are letting them go. 

If you go to any show (when we're allowed to again), people may ask if your car is real, thats okay because when you say yes, their eyes get wide and they WOW.  If its a replica, then they say man that is a beautiful car and guess what, you had a great conversation and possibly made a new friend.   

I think a lot of times when we get older our perspective changes not because the hobby is dying but because we have shifted our focus.  You have "been there and done that" so your enthusiasm to create a club, join events, create an event, call fellow enthusiasts and hang out, trade parts, buy parts etc... isn't what you do anymore because quite frankly, you changed.  You don't need the parts, your car has been shown many times and received numerous awards.  Your car is fussy, no AC or the AC doesn't work, not as comfortable as your new car that your lady wants to take to dinner. 

I haven't been in the SAAC very long but I will tell you, if you put forth the effort to attend shows and get involved again, your opinion will change.  Your crowd may change because most people in the 20's can't afford a 65-70 Shelby but they love their fox bodies or replicas.  Engage them and see their excitement. 

Heads up drag racing has made a comeback over the last 5 years, the venues are packed with people doing Friday night street fights, run what you brung type events.  The auctions were packed with a lot of good cars going through them. 

So ask yourself this "have I changed?" before you pass judgement or make a blanket statement that the hobby is dying.  I bet you will say yes, you have changed, because you are not as involved in the hobby as you once were. 

  Ya know, some of you same "posters" maybe should concider buying a Corvette and being done with this.
Now, in my Walter Mitty life, when I think about the next one, will it be a 289 Cobra kit car, or, a 32 Ford on 29' rails with 289 motivation.  Can't decide.
     Said a guy with a real 67 GT 350, and...I'm also building a Tribute GT 500.

I think you guys either didn't read the thread or missed something. My whole point was/is:

It is an oxymoron to want "correct parts for a car that is not real".

I personally don't like clones/fakes - that means I don't - if you do good for you. There is a huge difference IMO between putting a SOHC motor in a mustang, which is cool, and putting Shelby decals on your C code mustang which is not.

I like the way pony cars and muscle cars from the era drive, that's why I own them- if it wasn't for wanting that feel the new versions (redeye-gt500-ss-etc) are way more driveable they just lack that feel.

Bottom line, if I wanted a Shelby I would rather own an real 07 then a clone 67.

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Quote from: 427hunter on May 27, 2020, 02:12:28 AM

Quote from: The Going Thing on May 27, 2020, 02:04:35 AM
Side Oilers. I love the Kirkham Cobras in the polished finish. They're unique.  The good news is you can have a bit of fun knowing that it's replaceable.
I like all Shelbys. Some more than others.  I have owned a Chevrolet. It spent more time at the dealer with warranty repairs and recalls than I used it. I sold it after four years with 22,000 miles. Fans, clutch, axle seals, three transmissions, ac compressor, fuel pumps.  My last GM product.
I will always be an FE fan. Between Robotnic and Patrick we've turned the bow tie crowd on their ear winning many of the most recent engine master competitions.  700+ streetable horsepower is now commonplace.

I find the hostility here rather disturbing anymore.  Hopefully it will return to a norm at some juncture.
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I decided to take a look at your post. You're calling me passive aggressive?  I'm Mr. Rogers in comparison to your nastiness. Calling people liars openly and telling them "I call BS" and then attacking someone and calling them stupid for wanting to do their vehicle as it would have came from Shelby.  Who the F*ck are you?  You're no one.
Not one goddamn post you put up here is helpful.  You behave like a drunk. I encountered plenty of them in my years on the job. 
Your quote says it all.  "602 stole 2000 hours of my life"  You want a brownie button?
I did EVERYTHING on my Shelby but the exterior paint work and the 3rd member set up. It was about love of the car.  I wish I only had 2000 hours in it.  It didn't steal anything. It's beautiful. I'm very proud of it and my first two outings were Best of Show awards.
Making your childish pimpmobile comments about my Shelby and throwing school yard insults? You get bullied when you were in school so you're a keyboard warrior now?
I have posted several pictures.  You have what, 48 post? Not one constructive post or commentary, just your ignorant hostile personal attacks on multiple members and yet they remained polite to you despite calling them a liar? Not in my AO would you walk away with a declaration of that nature.







You are super passive aggressive, I am not (yet another difference) all that dribble about the "market" and now you are upset that I pointed out your pimp mobile is not considered part of the market because it's modified - BTW What number is your 67? Still waiting......

Let me guess, you and your "Shelby" are brown water Navy and the tag number is classified.

Quote from: Greg on May 27, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
I don't see the hobby in bad shape at all. 

What I see are great cars are still holding a tremendous value, original and NOS parts are now seeing the light of day since long time collectors are letting them go or passing on and their families are letting them go. 

If you go to any show (when we're allowed to again), people may ask if your car is real, thats okay because when you say yes, their eyes get wide and they WOW.  If its a replica, then they say man that is a beautiful car and guess what, you had a great conversation and possibly made a new friend.   

I think a lot of times when we get older our perspective changes not because the hobby is dying but because we have shifted our focus.  You have "been there and done that" so your enthusiasm to create a club, join events, create an event, call fellow enthusiasts and hang out, trade parts, buy parts etc... isn't what you do anymore because quite frankly, you changed.  You don't need the parts, your car has been shown many times and received numerous awards.  Your car is fussy, no AC or the AC doesn't work, not as comfortable as your new car that your lady wants to take to dinner. 

I haven't been in the SAAC very long but I will tell you, if you put forth the effort to attend shows and get involved again, your opinion will change.  Your crowd may change because most people in the 20's can't afford a 65-70 Shelby but they love their fox bodies or replicas.  Engage them and see their excitement. 

Heads up drag racing has made a comeback over the last 5 years, the venues are packed with people doing Friday night street fights, run what you brung type events.  The auctions were packed with a lot of good cars going through them. 

So ask yourself this "have I changed?" before you pass judgement or make a blanket statement that the hobby is dying.  I bet you will say yes, you have changed, because you are not as involved in the hobby as you once were.

+1 - I couldn't agree more.

I usually refrain from commenting but...

"Some of you guys" are either seriously passive/aggressive or just "need your head examined"  8)

As an ORIGINAL SHELBY Owner for Many Many Years "I use the term Original Shelby not the term REAL"  and several others over the years

Such as Kirkhams, well done Clone GT350s etc.... To each his or her own.

SAAC or any other Forum, Car Club etc "Should" be a place for people to be able to express opinions, feelings, questions, etc without being

Berated, Insulted, Terrorized etc... Some people on this Forum somehow forget this at times...

Almost everyday for a week I have driven a 289 Cobra and for the most part, it brings out interesting questions (Not is it REAL?), smiles, thumbs-up

and most IMPORTANTLY.. A SMILE on my face.

"LIGHTEN UP" AND ENJOY YOUR CARS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE.

"LIGHTEN UP" AND ENJOY YOUR CARS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE."

+1. 

I am not a Shelby owner.  Never have been, likely never will be.  I don't have the means financially and I'm not embarrassed to admit that.  What I can say is that I guarantee that I am as enthusiastic about these cars as anyone on this forum.  I own and have read probably every book written on the marque.  I've always been a vehicle enthusiast, just happens that Ford/Shelby is my preference.  But I'll look at an old Mack "B" model truck or Chris-Craft wooden boat as much as I will an old muscle car. 

The best I can do is my clapped-out 1968 Mustang GT coupe.  But that car gives me as many smiles and gets as many thumbs-up reactions as anything else would, I'm certain of that.  I'm just happy to be a part of this hobby we all love.   :)





 

Quote"LIGHTEN UP" AND ENJOY YOUR CARS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE.

+2

TOB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3_0GqPvr4U  ;D

Quote from: TOBKOB on May 27, 2020, 12:07:05 PM

Quote"LIGHTEN UP" AND ENJOY YOUR CARS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE.

+2

TOB

I try and drive mine all the time, and I enjoy seeing others drive their cars regardless of what they are. Original, real, clone, tribute , fake, repro, anything as long as YOU enjoy YOUR car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD0MtDoaYts

+ 1

agreed enjoy what you have and dont stop until the wheels fall off

Quote from: 68gtcoupe on May 27, 2020, 11:15:22 AM
"LIGHTEN UP" AND ENJOY YOUR CARS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE."

+1. 

I am not a Shelby owner.  Never have been, likely never will be.  I don't have the means financially and I'm not embarrassed to admit that.  What I can say is that I guarantee that I am as enthusiastic about these cars as anyone on this forum.  I own and have read probably every book written on the marque.  I've always been a vehicle enthusiast, just happens that Ford/Shelby is my preference.  But I'll look at an old Mack "B" model truck or Chris-Craft wooden boat as much as I will an old muscle car. 

The best I can do is my clapped-out 1968 Mustang GT coupe.  But that car gives me as many smiles and gets as many thumbs-up reactions as anything else would, I'm certain of that.  I'm just happy to be a part of this hobby we all love.   :)

I have a real one,have nothing against true "clones".I have seen some incredible cars that minus serial numbers could pass for a "real" car.I appreciate the time,workmanship and cash (most of which will likely never be seen again) that it takes to pull this off.I consider this respectful as long as they don't try and pass it off as an original car.The half assed efforts I can do without.Some  Shelby features on a coupe,etc. isnt really my cup of tea....That being said ALL vintage auto enthusiasts (regardless of make,flavor,etc.)have a lot more in common than you might think IMHO.. ;)

Quote from: 557 on May 27, 2020, 06:06:59 PM
I have a real one,have nothing against true "clones".I have seen some incredible cars that minus serial numbers could pass for a "real" car.I appreciate the time,workmanship and cash (most of which will likely never be seen again) that it takes to pull this off.I consider this respectful as long as they don't try and pass it off as an original car.The half assed efforts I can do without.Some  Shelby features on a coupe,etc. isnt really my cup of tea....That being said ALL vintage auto enthusiasts (regardless of make,flavor,etc.)have a lot more in common than you might think IMHO.. ;)

You hit this on the nail-head.  The hostility and attacks because he wanted to build his "clone" as it would have been done at SA was met with nasty degrading comments.  He is actually doing two Shelbys. He came here with help and got more grief than help.

I met with the resident arsehole 427hunter "Pimpmobile" bullshit over a few factory chrome items on my engine along with the choice to run the 17" version of the 10 spoke rims because of lack of tire choices for high horsepower cars.  That is harassment that I am sure nothing will be done by the moderators nor will they address the private attack messages sent. 
If Bob Gains or anyone received them I'm sure it would be instantly addressed. 

Just for my 68-70 hating friend with the pimped out 700HP real Shelby with a top secret number  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNdBLBleO90

Lighten up Frances

Quote from: The Going Thing on May 27, 2020, 08:11:00 PM
That is harassment that I am sure nothing will be done by the moderators nor will they address the private attack messages sent.

Just FYI... we don't read your private messages, nor do we read and "evaluate" every post... unless it is reported.

We tend to put fires out, not arbitrate "disagreements" ...

I also enjoy my  original SA factory built GT350.  But I do like clones, as long as they are presented as imitations, tributes, whatever besides the real deal.  They keep the interest in the cars.  Look at all the repli-Cobras that are out there.  If a factory original shows up, it brings alot of extra viewing and attention.  And that is a good thing, right? 

We have a lot of suppliers for Mustangs and Shelby parts still around but unfortunately have only a couple of devoted magazines or publications and they are  club membership based (SAAC and MCA).  I miss all the ones that were put out of business.

Only bummers to me are any sort of SA tag on the non-real, unreal (whatever the clones are) and builders raiding the bins for original parts that the restorers need. 8)

Quote from: Don Johnston on May 27, 2020, 10:43:18 PM
I also enjoy my  original SA factory built GT350.  But I do like clones, as long as they are presented as imitations, tributes, whatever besides the real deal.  They keep the interest in the cars.  Look at all the repli-Cobras that are out there.  If a factory original shows up, it brings alot of extra viewing and attention.  And that is a good thing, right? 

We have a lot of suppliers for Mustangs and Shelby parts still around but unfortunately have only a couple of devoted magazines or publications and they are  club membership based (SAAC and MCA).  I miss all the ones that were put out of business.

Only bummers to me are any sort of SA tag on the non-real, unreal (whatever the clones are) and builders raiding the bins for original parts that the restorers need. 8)

There are few things that aren't reproduced anymore. However, I don't think most clones bother with things like choke tube filters. ( The only part I am lacking on my GT500)  I sadly didn't know when I bought my front end parts in 1989 that there were two different grills. I need a slant grill.
They are not easy to come by in this day and age.
Anyway, we can be thankful for much of the availability because of the  tribute cars.

Also the well built replicas really do fan the flames.Anyone who takes the time to build one likely cherishes (and probably well informed on)the original cars.The more voices out there spewing out information on Shelby American and the original cars the better IMHO(whether they are standing by a real car OR a replica) ;D

    After eight pages of comments ( including mine) , and some interaction with the OP , "I" have a couple of comments.
     After reading the initial post Mickey made one more time , it left me wondering WHY SAAC (or it's members) should be responsible for supplying detailed information/construction details so a "perfect clone" could be built?
      The next question is about motivation . What is the reason for building an exact duplicate? Men built the cars once and men can build them again , I don't see that being a "challenge" unless deceit is the intent. If lower cost is the motivation , I understand that "doing it yourself" can save allot of money over buying "the real thing". Customizing Mustangs as you can afford it is nothing new , building "replicas" is a recent "thing".
    Please don't interpret my comments as "anti clone" , it's a free country , just don't try to "sell me" as it being equal to an original. It is your interpretation of an original.
      Randy

Agreed. I also disagree with "it's a form of flattery"

Quote from: Coralsnake on May 28, 2020, 12:42:55 PM
Agreed. I also disagree with "it's a form of flattery"

I've owned, driven, and raced a number of cobra replicas. All were fun while I owned them. Freely admitted they were not real and never tried to pass them off as such. Might own another one of these days as I cannot afford to ball up an original and walk away from the investment. To each his own, live and let live.

Bill S

PS: SAAC has never looked down on them, neither have 90% of the owners of originals, just a few CSX4K owners who thought theirs were originals and should be treated as such... 

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Bill S

PS: SAAC has never looked down on them, neither have 90% of the owners of originals, just a few CSX4K owners who thought theirs were originals and should be treated as such...
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Gee, Bill, I can't begin to recall who you might be thinking of. Oh, wait...yes I can. Let's forget the subject altogether.

Quote from: Cobra Ned on May 28, 2020, 01:01:16 PM

Bill S

PS: SAAC has never looked down on them, neither have 90% of the owners of originals, just a few CSX4K owners who thought theirs were originals and should be treated as such...
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Gee, Bill, I can't begin to recall who you might be thinking of. Oh, wait...yes I can. Let's forget the subject altogether.
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Lol

Quote from: Coralsnake on May 28, 2020, 12:42:55 PM
Agreed. I also disagree with "it's a form of flattery"

     Putting stripes on a Mustang to make it a Shelby is no different than putting lipstick on a pig to make it a beauty queen. Neither works.

Why don't you really become exclusive. We'll start the SAAC Gestapo division to inspect  all cars. If the powers that be don't approve of use of plating or finish on engine or components they declare the "pimp mobile" statute and remove said individuals and ban their participation.
Is that where we're going?  This tread started because of the arrogance shown him because he didn't want to do a half-assed job building his dream replicas. He was actually called stupid. How long do you think this forum and vendors will survive with this kind of disposition?
You better start thinking about the survival of our hobby. Most of you are gray ghost and clearly aren't forward thinking.
Just a little food for thought..

Fast fords are cool.....period....  8)

   37 made and over one thousand still exist. OR less than one thousand built and 50,000 still exist , many with their original Chevy engines.
    "In MY Personal Experience" ONLY , clone owners are where most of the "attitudes" are but attitudes are everywhere in life , not just SAI vehicles or the "gestapos" than hang out here at the SAAC Forum. Long live the Shelby Police.
   Randy

Wait, we already have inspectors...they are called concours judges.

Unfortunately, the club values originality and preservation more than cars that have been reconstructed, fake tags, non original paint, modified suspensions, chrome engines, modern electronics, etc,

Just my observation, its not personal.

There a lot of things I dont like, but people can do what they like with their cars, you just cant expect everyone to like your choices or force them to help you, if they disagree with those choices.

Quote from: The Going Thing on May 28, 2020, 10:24:11 PM
Why don't you really become exclusive. We'll start the SAAC Gestapo division to inspect  all cars. If the powers that be don't approve of use of plating or finish on engine or components they declare the "pimp mobile" statute and remove said individuals and ban their participation.
Is that where we're going?  This tread started because of the arrogance shown him because he didn't want to do a half-assed job building his dream replicas. He was actually called stupid. How long do you think this forum and vendors will survive with this kind of disposition?
You better start thinking about the survival of our hobby. Most of you are gray ghost and clearly aren't forward thinking.
Just a little food for thought..

You trash 68-70 models in your comments and refer to "the market" constantly, yet when I pointed out that your pimpmobile is not considered part of the "market",  and that the "market" is for concourse cars with a good history, you get upset.

As I said before I personally do not like clones, I would rather have a real (fill in the blank) then a fake Shelby. But that's me I don't hassle people for fakes, but the idea of collecting original correct parts for a fake makes zero sense.

BTW let me know DEVGRU declassifies the release of your 700hp, Keith Black ported "bling bling" machines VIN. 

The SAAC is a great organization for many reasons, but most of all, it protects the provenance of the the 65-70 Shelby's as well as early Cobras and GT40's.  The later renditions will never be as valuable as the first ones are but they are important vehicles because they proliferate the brand name. 

As far as clones, recreations and such they are okay as long as they don't get presented as original 1st generation cars. Most folks don't know the difference and don't care to find out, they just see pretty colors.  The original first generation cars are works of art and collected as such.  Can they be faked, sure they can, but that is why the SAAC is so important. 

I truly don't understand the backlash, I read what the OP presented and he was butt hurt because the "experts" weren't key board ready to unveil all the answers.  You have to research, make friends, ask, be humble in knowing the answers are out there and someone will help you.  Enjoy the journey grass hopper  ;D

Quote from: Coralsnake on May 29, 2020, 10:50:49 AM
Wait, we already have inspectors...they are called concours judges.

Unfortunately, the club values originality and preservation more than cars that have been reconstructed, fake tags, non original paint, modified suspensions, chrome engines, modern electronics, etc,

Just my observation, its not personal.

There a lot of things I dont like, but people can do what they like with their cars, you just cant expect everyone to like your choices or force them to help you, if they disagree with those choices.

     Go ahead and say it Pete, you don't like PURPLE , it's OK to let out your true feelings LMAO.

Quote from: 427hunter on May 29, 2020, 11:17:53 AM

Quote from: The Going Thing on May 28, 2020, 10:24:11 PM

As I said before I personally do not like clones, I would rather have a real (fill in the blank) then a fake Shelby. But that's me I don't hassle people for fakes, but the idea of collecting original correct parts for a fake makes zero sense.

100 percent agree

Quote from: Greg on May 29, 2020, 11:33:42 AM
The SAAC is a great organization for many reasons, but most of all, it protects the provenance of the the 65-70 Shelby's as well as early Cobras and GT40's.  The later renditions will never be as valuable as the first ones are but they are important vehicles because they proliferate the brand name. 

As far as clones, recreations and such they are okay as long as they don't get presented as original 1st generation cars. Most folks don't know the difference and don't care to find out, they just see pretty colors.  The original first generation cars are works of art and collected as such.  Can they be faked, sure they can, but that is why the SAAC is so important. 

I truly don't understand the backlash, I read what the OP presented and he was butt hurt because the "experts" weren't key board ready to unveil all the answers.  You have to research, make friends, ask, be humble in knowing the answers are out there and someone will help you.  Enjoy the journey grass hopper  ;D

Very well said ;)

+1   That is what it all about. 8)

Quote from: The Going Thing on May 28, 2020, 10:24:11 PM
Why don't you really become exclusive. We'll start the SAAC Gestapo division to inspect  all cars. If the powers that be don't approve of use of plating or finish on engine or components they declare the "pimp mobile" statute and remove said individuals and ban their participation.
Is that where we're going?  This tread started because of the arrogance shown him because he didn't want to do a half-assed job building his dream replicas. He was actually called stupid. How long do you think this forum and vendors will survive with this kind of disposition?
You better start thinking about the survival of our hobby. Most of you are gray ghost and clearly aren't forward thinking.
Just a little food for thought..

Papiere, bitte.

 :o

Pete, it means "Papers, Please".  ;)

richtig

Quote from: 69mach351w on August 11, 2020, 02:28:49 PMit means "Papers, Please".  ;)

I got it Rich. Unfortunately his encounter with the "SAAC Gestapo" did not turn out well.

Hopefully he will reemerge and we can help him. He could be a valuable club member.

I am hoping he really does have some integrity after reading all his posts and he steps up.

Quote from: Coralsnake on August 11, 2020, 03:06:29 PM
I got it Rich. Unfortunately his encounter with the "SAAC Gestapo" did not turn out well.

Hopefully he will reemerge and we can help him. He could be a valuable club member.

I am hoping he really does have some integrity after reading all his posts and he steps up.

Glad you got it, I thought I'd just input to show others what it meant.

Actually, I don't keep up nor do I have any desire to keep up with whats going on with certain members here.  I'm here to learn, and that's about it.

    The automotive world has always had guys whose egos were bigger than they were. Probably will never change. "Most of us" work together with the "common purpose" in mind. That's why "I" hang out here.

Quote from: gt350hr on August 11, 2020, 04:46:41 PM
    The automotive world has always had guys whose egos were bigger than they were. Probably will never change. "Most of us" work together with the "common purpose" in mind. That's why "I" hang out here.

I am glad "I" does. ;D

Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 11, 2020, 07:37:48 PM

Quote from: gt350hr on August 11, 2020, 04:46:41 PM
    The automotive world has always had guys whose egos were bigger than they were. Probably will never change. "Most of us" work together with the "common purpose" in mind. That's why "I" hang out here.

I am glad "I" does. ;D

Ooo, youze guys!