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I came across this letter from 2008 on a AC Owner's Club register

It appears that what some collectors fear is already happening–aging 428 Fruas are being cannibalized for their chassis, which once shortened 6″ in wheelbase, can accommodate a 427 Cobra body. On an AC Owner’s club website I found one such case but they mention this fate awaits other 428 Fruas that are rusty or otherwise undesirable…
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08, 11:38:40 »
Hi David

Both conversions already known and listed thanks in a first draft AC 428 Register I cobbled together late last year, which the Club has since removed to be replaced hopefully with their glossy on-line version sometime soon. [8D] I can attach a copy to an e-mail if you need.

To bring you up to date….

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Extracted and copied across from old Register I’ve saved on hard drive :

CFX 35: Fastback. Automatic. Now 428/ Cobra Conversion.
Manual. LHD. Trade advert: La Baule, Brittany France.
Status: Active.
E-mail received 5/1/08.
“Dear Sir,
the car we have for sale is a conversion from an AC Frua 428 to an AC Cobra
427. The engine is not the original 428 but a 302 that has been fully
prepared and that devellopps 450 HP. The body is a SC one. The chassis
number is CFX 35. Aluminium oil and water radiator. Aluminium vapor oil
Tank. Aluminium water expansion tank. Special laiton 3 discs clutch. Gearbox
is a toploader close ratio, wheels are original halibrand with hoosier
tyres.
Price is 200 000 €uros.
Sincerly yours,
Nicolas QUERARD
PH : 00 33 2 40 24 10 36”

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None of it's mine (I only have artwork made in modern times) , and it seems not all the lots are Shelby but see if you can open the site on Mecum On Time

https://ontime.mecum.com/auction/shelby-american-le-mans-sports-car-racing-collection-220/bidgallery/?utm_campaign=Mecum%20On%20Time&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=243358474&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--U1eFyjDl_ip0qOzCqc0O7oc1QGrtAeMmZImMQJJI_zpR_08U5_-z8FLfsaYaGE3rDup08eHCZGU49RdfaNXWD6gPrxA&utm_content=243358474&utm_source=hs_email

or maybe this title

What's On Time this Week: Shelby American / Le Mans & [NEW!] Formula One Grand Prix

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CSX 3000 Series / Re: Shelby Cobra GHIA SPYDER
« on: January 25, 2023, 11:47:15 AM »
The 450SS appeared as a Fiat concept car. Sugarman saw it on R & T cover, flew to italy and studied it then asked i buddy Hn DeLorean to get GM interested but according to  tory on Hagerty's website DeLoreans previous two seater idea was shot down so he recommended Chrysler. Chrysler greed to provide the drive train but it was imported for Sugarman not sold in Chrysler showroom. Nowhere in the Hagerty story doe it mention Ford being offered the car  but I was surprised to her OSI built the cars when previously I thought Ghia did. The Hagarty story says when DeTomaso ought Ghia in  '67 the last Ghia 40/SS was built

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CSX 3000 Series / Re: Shelby Cobra GHIA SPYDER
« on: January 24, 2023, 02:25:39 PM »
More if only Giugiaro would acknowledge it as his offspring. He has done other one offs (including a Ferrari he owns) and they are always
worth more than the mass produced ones.

But if the original is not around to measure,how would you know how off you are proportionately, even a few inches could make the car look different, and then you went to all the expense for nothing.

There is still another 427 Cobra chassis with an Italian body, still running around in the UK, fortunately that still has the body, which was made for a Fiat 8V Supersonic by Ghia. It was once at a used car lot in Marina Del Rey,CA. That one is worth keeping the body because Fiat 8V Supersonics are collector cars themselves.

I'd research it more but want to know if it ever had an AC Cobra body in the first place, or is it like the Ghia roadster,it had no body? I may have run across the first owner of the Ghia body, a Mrs. Campbell . When I met her I never knew she owned one but read since that the ex-wife of the land speed record Campbell had a Fiat 8V Supersonic that was sent to a junkyard and maybe that's the same car and she knows what happened to it. She lived in the mountains East of Los Angeles but I have yet to look her up

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CSX 3000 Series / Re: Shelby Cobra GHIA SPYDER
« on: January 24, 2023, 01:29:49 PM »
I stand corrected. Just over $600,000. The editor of MyCarQuest feels by not being a full bodied Cobra bodied car
from the beginning, that affected the price at the Jan. 2023 auction

https://mycarquest.com/2023/01/a-comp-ac-shelby-cobra-427.html

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CSX 3000 Series / Re: Shelby Cobra GHIA SPYDER
« on: January 20, 2023, 09:44:29 AM »
 
   I think it's a crying shame that the  Italian alternate body was not saved as it showed where the Cobra could have gone. Ironically I think the tail was wretched excess with pizza-pie sized taillights and the nose boring but at least it was the Italians adding their two cents worth.

 

   What happened to the Ghia roadster (with lift off hardtop)  body? Well, it probably went into the dumpster in the UK and it would cost maybe $200,000 today  to make a duplicate in aluminum from scratch .And who saved the blueprints? Probably nobody.

   I think if Giugiaro had listed it on his resume (like he did the Mangusta) it would have been worth more in Ghia clothing than it is now with an AC Cobra body. I can see his design input particularly in the side vent, lifted off his Maserati Ghibli design, done at Ghia

   The Mecum history includes several time gaps--but referenced paperwork included in the sale  documents AC Cars invoiced Ford Motor Credit for this order on June 1, 1965 with invoice no. A7948 and that Ghia removed unneeded substructure, installed a body on the car as a styling exercise and displayed it at the Turin Auto Salon.

   When  Gutke got it it was later crashed and the car was cut in half following the crash and that's when  Mike McCluskey,a famed Cobra restorer in Los Angeles,  bought it in the late 1970s. He sold to Larry Dubas for Scott Grissom in 1984 and then later it sold to Steve Forristall in 1986. Forristall sold the car in 1989 to Ted Thomas who rebuilt the chassis, including replacement of the damaged rail.

     The car then went to Cobra Restorers in Kennesaw, Georgia to begin the rebuild.They sent it to  Bruce Kimmons of Kimmons Coachworks in Lake Havasu City, Arizona for completion and installation of a full aluminum body. It finally rolled out into the sunlight in 1993 at SAAC 20 with the words "last comp chassis" written on the nose. It then went to sleep in storage for 14 years, until September 2011 before returning to Cobra Restorers to complete the restoration and a new owner.

    At Kissimmee at th mecum Kissimmee auction on Jan. 14th, 2023 , it sold for a high bid of $660,000
 (corrected 1-23-23)

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When i was at the Petersen Museum 100th Anniversary of Shelby show a resident of the Inland Empire said they were having a Shelby show at a dealer near Rancho Cucamonga in April? I neglected to write down which dealer. any clues?  Thanx

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I saw Steve Beck, the Shelby expert, at the Petersen Museum show and showed him the painting He said the car went out with a failed transmission. I thought it was a bad piston Anybody know?
The website Racing Sports cars was my reference.

https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Le_Mans-1967-06-11.html


 Still if I were  a GT350 owner I'd be proud it posted more laps than a GT40 or V12 Ferrari further down the list of cars that DNF'd.


14   Piper / Thompson   Mirage M1 Ford   J. W. Automotive Engineering   59         Broken inlet valve   P+5.0   
17   Dubois / Tuerlinckx   Shelby GT350   Claude Dubois   58         Piston   GT5.0   
44   Preston / Wagstaff   Lotus 47 Ford   Team Elite   42         Overheating   P1.6   

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Event took place despite weather predictions. The sun even shined for awhile. About 50 Shelby-related cars at least--a whole row of Cobras though most were replicas from Superformance. One real one was Bruce Meyers own very early Cobra. Bruce is head of the Museum. Around 10 am or so  some former Shelby employees took the stage and talked 'bout old times. There were two '65 or '66 GT350s, one GT40 (that seemed to have a  modern engine) Glad everyone braved the rain where they started from to get to the sunny roof of the Petersen museum parking structure. Especially liked seeing whole families attend....those kidlets are the future Shelby fans....

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In Ontario one hour to the East, raining saturday

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At 8:31 am Friday weather prediction for los angeles is 100% rain saturday but cloudy and sunny sunday.On the other hand bright sun Friday so that's a good omen

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Thanks for your research, TransAm Ed. I agree on the hood pins, the second set has  lengthy wires going from the hood to where it's held down outside the hood. The  hood did bulge badly even after the pins were installed.
I would prefer and did in my first painting, to depict the car as it looked during a certain point of time; preferably at the start of the race when it wouldn't have any battle damage yet. There is another school of thought that likes to depict the car after damage when it's still carrying on valiantly despite its wound (like the GT mk.IV which had its whole rear body fall off and it was taped in place in the pits). I'll do the rear 3/4 next, out on the track, in traffic.

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The words ff their press release:
Carroll Shelby Centennial Celebration & Car Show

Date: Saturday, January 14, 2023
Time: 9:00AM- 3:00PM
Location: 19021 S. Figueroa St. Gardena, CA 90248

Join the official Carroll Shelby Centennial Celebration hosted by Carroll Shelby International on Saturday, January 14, 2023, in So Cal. We will honor the 100th birthday of the legend with a morning filled with great cars and prestigious people.

Don't miss meeting Carroll Shelby's grandson, CSI board member Aaron Shelby, and Shelby American President Gary Patterson as they unveil a special anniversary Shelby vehicle. You can tour the Snake Pit, Shelby HQ and the Original Venice Crew Shop, park your car in the cruise-in, and enjoy free coffee and donuts as you gaze on the amazing vehicles. The Carroll Shelby Foundation will conduct a silent auction and several Shelby legends are expected to attend.

LA SAAC invites Shelby and Ford-powered performance vehicles to be part of their judged car show. A portion of the proceeds from the car show will benefit the Carroll Shelby Foundation and participants will receive a commemorative gift package.

You will not want to miss this once-in-a-lifetime event"

Note weather forecast is for rain; the next day is a Shelby Cruise In at the Petersen Museum about 20 miles to the North

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