SAAC Forum

Just had the same issue with one of these pumps on a 428CJ build! So yes, inspect them first!

For Sale: 5S461, great '65 with an older resto (1992 AACA National 1st Place winner). Numbers matching factory drivetrain. Mechanical freshening including pro engine rebuild and full sorting in 2015 in my shop. Turn key, ready to rock car with no skeletons. Selling for my good friend who I sold it to in 2015 and is unfortunately facing a health crisis. -SOLD-

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the comments on this Hagerty Buyer's Guide. For a little background I was "elected" to host it when nobody else put their hand up. As for the car I certainly didn't present it as the best in the world nor, and most importantly, is it an ad or a "for sale" video for the car. We had no luck finding another '65 GT350 to use so the easiest path was to use my car, #156. Since it is my car, and I restored it to drive, yes it has XWX tires, vintage H4 headlights, and yes, I painted the exhaust pipes and two muffler clamps on each side black as I personally don't like the way naked pipes and glass packs/ clamps look from the side profile. Plus, since I'll drive it, I didn't want them to look discolored and/or rusty. On my '66 I have a nice, shiny Fuller system but it tucks up in there as Ford intended so it doesn't look like a muffler shop screw up like a '65 exhaust I am fairly certain that the same could be true for any of our cars that we drive, many have modern batteries or radial tires or Napa fuel pumps that kind of stuff. As far as I'm concerned personal preference trumps any judging manual especially if you own the car lol.

And yes, nobody is perfect, but the intent was to show people the big things to look for and give an 8 minute primer to hopefully save somebody else from getting fleeced on a '65 out in the wild. If it makes one person contact Howard to verify numbers or know what a big deal original metal and parts can be then I'm happy. Why? Because many times I've been asked to look at '65s for people, and some really pretty highly pretty decorated ones judged and even restored by the high priests of the hobby, with "boo boos" that go far beyond a painted exhaust. Things like Dearborn body shells (ahem) and doctored up engine casting numbers/ dates/ VINs, bogus parts, you name it. Not to mention countless shiny auction cars with glowing catalog copy that doesn't even hint at not so good history readily accessible in the SAAC Registry if the bidders would just look or contact Howard etc.

But again, thanks for all of the comments and I hope I didn't screw things up too badly. Rest assured I won't be heading to Hollywood for casting calls anytime soon.

All the best,

Colin

I will echo Randy and Charles comments above as I have inspected and have experience with this car. I will agree that further scrutiny and a conversation with Howard would not be wasted effort for those so inclined.

I guess we could chase it any variety of directions like a dog after his tail...

But obviously we know at least 3 65s that got a rear antenna at HPM just as a result of this post. To claim majority or minority 55 years on I guess we'd need hard proof of how many 65s got a radio installed at HPM and some way to tell where it was put. But first we'd need to go through (or ask Howard) how many 65s HPM delivered which is tricky because of Shelby's maneuvering around the dealer franchise issue and selling a lot of "demonstrator" cars at HPM. Not as cut and dry as looking up a place like Tousley Ford and seeing how many new 65s were delivered there etc.

But to stay on task it was just a curiosity to me and I wanted to see where other 65s with rear antennas had them mounted. Picking the flyshit out of the pepper as Kopec often accuses me of.

Thanks for the pics guys! So, seems to be confirmed that there is absolutely no rhyme or reason with these things. But also seems to be the case that HPM put them on the left or rear quarter panel and not the front fender. Based on Greg with 5s109 and my two HPM 65s with rear antennas installed by HPM. If anybody else has a photo please share! (side note who knew so many 2-digit cars had radios? Crazy!)

Hi Bob,

I agree completely- and in my post above draw the same conclusion you have. It was easier and faster to punch the hole on the RF fender and follow the Ford instructions.

I purchased the car I am working on from the original owner's estate. He bought it new at HPM in '65. On the invoice is noted his addition of a Ford AM/FM and they installed it with the antenna in the rear. LR quarter in fact. It's just in a different location than the one HPM put on the LR quarter of 5s249 so I am assuming it was just left to the lowest rung of the shop ladder employees to haphazardly put it where they wanted. But I'd love to see pics of any other known legit dealer installed rear antennas. Just curious as to where others were put and if there is any logic or if they are truly unique like snowflakes. LOL

Thanks,

Colin