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In the video you suggested, that car appears to have almost no under coating on the floors and wheel wells.

Just to help. Typically we refer to the thick tar and asbestos material that was applied after the car was delivered to the dealership as "undercoating"  and the stuff applied at the factor as "sound deadener" to keep them separate in discussions

Are you referring to sound deadener in the rear wheel wells or front. Ford applied it to the rear wheel wells before body color was applied over it and I doubt that missing this step would pass any of the hundreds of inspectors on the line. As far as sound deadener being applied to the floor area that depended on the model of Mustang and the options in most cases

Also no seam sealer on the seat belt mounts. was it removed or is that typical of production?

Likely removed, cracked and fell off or cleaned away at some point

If you look at my second picture, the undercoating on this car spreads from just past the transmission tunnel to the rocker panels on both sides and in the wheel wells. When it was sprayed, it appears the worker was standing under where the right-side muffler sits as that seems the be the spray pattern direction.  It is also sprayed lightly in the tunnel above the transmission closer to the firewall where the firewall and floor pan come together. I don't think it was dealer applied because there is no way a dealer could have sprayed it there without removing the transmission.

Didn't watch the video but if there is spray on thee muffler then that is very likely and indication that someone on the line caught an issue and it was touched up or that is undercoating applied later. Mufflers as we understand it were installed after the factory floor sound deadener.   For above the transmission it was installed before thew sound deadener so the workers didn't want any on the transmission or linkage to screw operations later so typically the factory applications started to the sides and behind at the plant.

Not the typical location of the spray so likely undercoating. Easy to get to that area with the long wands used to apply the nasty stuff in the 70's

Though different year, same plant some of the information in the article below may be of help. Found it using the search and the words "69 undercarriage" and my screen name as author

1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: 1969 Automatic shifter handles
« on: February 26, 2024, 10:31:28 PM »
[quote Plain ones (without the snake) were sold through may speed shops and in catalogs like JC Whitney and Honest Charles
Interesting but I doubt Hertz or Ford would replace one from those sources ( who knows) but probably from a Ford  dealer. My car went from Hertz back to Ford then I bought it so I wouldn't expect a third party part but who knows... :)

Dealer might have had them as an impulse item hanging in the dealership/at parts counter. As mentioned we will never know just discussing the possibilities

1968 Shelby GT350/500/500KR / Re: 1968 500KR auto transmission
« on: February 26, 2024, 05:34:54 PM »
Remember the 3rd member section bare steel/machined areas also while your at it  ;)

1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: 1969 Automatic shifter handles
« on: February 26, 2024, 04:56:12 PM »
I would imagine that they were available plain. There was a Cougar version for the 1970 Eliminator.

Plain ones (without the snake) were sold through may speed shops and in catalogs like JC Whitney and Honest Charles

In my collection I found the green floor color trend from 0F17xxxx into the later 180000's

For others with 70 Dearborn build Mustangs and Cougars here are a few pictures that represent the range of finishes typically found

Red oxide is not what one would expect to see on a 70 Dearborn built car. Will find plenty of them on "restored" cars since organizations like MCA allow your choice of undercarriage colors. Dearborn rarely used a red oxide base for the firewall rearward application. Rec oxide was used prior to 69 at San Jose and all of NJ production of the Mustang

The base used was mixed with the remains of earlier exterior paint barrels creating a fairly custom mix that could change even during a day or so. Often the color comes out to a dark gray with blue or green tint but with 70's enlarged exterior color choices the ranges swings allot more than in the prior years. Of course with the addition of body color over spray the look can differ even more. In q970 the same or similar color/paint was used at times fro the firewall forward application by hand also.

Would have to look through my files to see if I have something like your description

1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: 1966 GT 350H Upper Radiator Tank
« on: February 24, 2024, 11:25:15 AM »
Your car 6S1227 is likely a San Jose February 1966 build, so  1-66 rad would be nice, but a 12-65 or 11-65 would also work nicely.  If all you need is to replace the top, watch for a Mustang six cylinder radiator with a date code that works for you.  This will be the most economic choice. These can be found at local swap meets or your favorite auction site.  It is the same top as the V8 radiator.  Then have the AMK radiator tag C4ZE-M2 soldered on to complete the transformation.  Patients will also be a factor.

+1 Cars built during the same time period as yours would have a Jan 66 date with the soldered on ID tag.

Up For Auction / Re: COBRA shift knob - What is it?
« on: February 23, 2024, 01:08:43 PM »
Those were known as Brodie knobs..... In the 40s -50s according to my Vintage Dear ol Dad!

Or a "Necker Knob"  :) For one handed driving when the other hand is occupied - around your girlfriend

Appeals / Re: Picture of 68 CJ accelerator
« on: February 22, 2024, 01:32:22 AM »
Like this GT350 mounting but different bracket?

Appeals / Re: Picture of 68 CJ accelerator
« on: February 21, 2024, 10:04:21 PM »
Is this one?  Looks like the return spring has been replaced by a larger one. Looks kind of like the reverse shape of the GT350 one

Appeals / Re: 69 or 70 radio block off
« on: February 21, 2024, 01:28:56 PM »
Appears that the Cougar/Deluxe Mustang radio block off for 69 and 70 started with a plastic body with an ink stamp on the back side then changed to a debossed identification marking. Both carry 69 Cougar engineering numbers as shown



The deluxe plate is shaped differently from the standard Mustang radio block off

Talking about the Rear Spoiler, My Memory is not as good as it used to be but, I remember a story a while back, either here or in Mustang Monthly Magazine about a man who designed the Trunk Spoiler,  He had a Red 65/66 Mustang Fastback.  The Decklid and End Caps were one piece.

There has been discussions about who first designed the spoilered trunk lids. Seems to be a fair number of fastbacks with the design all around the same time. Here are some examples

Dearborn Steel Mustang II that traveled around the country with Fords Custom Caravan. More of a shelf with a raised back edge

Bud Anderson built five custom fastbacks that toured around the country. All with a spoiler rear trunk lid area. Here are two of them

This white one, when sold after showing received one of the first Fiberfab front ends. It remained in that buyers ownership into the 1990's. Berry Plastic's used a rear shot of this white Grand American in at least one ad prior to coming up with their own design shown below. As we can read according to this report in the news paper the inspiration was the GT40

Another of the five

Berry Plastic's (provider of the 67 Shelby fiberglass) design

And a white fastback of the one piece that never caught on for a number of reasons

Since all (but the Dearborn Steel car) used production 65 fastbacks its difficult to determine IMHO which came first

Up For Auction / Re: Last first gen GT350 up for auction
« on: February 19, 2024, 06:54:16 PM »
We can all now rest easy on the tag, perfect explanation on why its a bit different...

WOW what a statement !!!

Just focusing on the later half
"shows that the plant was in San Jose which was close to the lax facility and the K code for the motor was a destination to a high performance Shelby"

When was San Jose close to Los Angeles?  (it was really Milpitas nor San Jose ;) Distance between the two about 400 miles

And a "K" code for the motor means it was ....  ::) ::) ::) ::)

Got to love or hate BAT

1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: 1969 Firewall Inspection Stickers
« on: February 19, 2024, 04:26:20 PM »
.................. The only one that seems the same is the P in the door jamb above interior light switch button.  .......

Agreed that allot of cars had a "P" in red or black in that location. Have also examples with a "P" on the end of the drivers side cowl also before and after the change of cowl paint color.

In rare cases we also have the one older inspector that appears to have been promoted out of the job but did fill in for illness or time off that still liked to use the rubber "baseball" design that they started using in the early 60's

1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: 1969 Firewall Inspection Stickers
« on: February 19, 2024, 02:32:15 PM »
Are suggesting that I not install any inspection stickers since there is a lack of documentation regarding the specific inspection stickers used and the locations where they were applied for the time period when my car was built?

As I see it you have two choices

1- Leave them off if your not sure. If you put them on the car someone else will surely copy your car and not do their own research trusting that you had more information than they do. "Hitting the easy button"

2- Go with the best available information available to the moment and remove or correct if more information is found at a later date

This can be applied to all sorts of different details that make up our cars

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