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After many years out of site. A new owner has emerged with this car.
It is the only White MKII convertible and the only white convertible with a black top and black interior.
I have been looking for this car for over 10 years. That was with help from another MKI owner in Peru.

From the SRG (1967 - Shelby Research Group):

First, a pie chart to show how all the paint colors are divided up.

Did the California Special come with stripe colors other than white or black from the Ford factory?

I've seens some black and some various blue paint shades with gold stripes...
Also some white cars with red and with blue stripes.

How do we know if an owner changed the stripe color (from say white to black or visa versa)
Any paint / stripe color list info out there?

Most of us always assumed the '67 commercial segment was filmed somewhere in LA.
That assumption just changed.

With help from the Michigan SAAC club (MCR and Bill Cook) we now know it was filmed at the Ford NAAO building
FORD NAAO BUILDING (North American Automotive Operations)

Recently I discovered a Ford PR photo from 1960 that show this exact location in Michigan.

Very Cool to get this new infomation...Thanks Bill

It's no secreat I have hunted for all development photos (Ford) that can be found on the web .

Attached is a photo dated from June 11th, 1963 showing the start of the full sized GT40 clay model.
On the same date there are about 4 renderings that were relaseed, with a red backgound.
They don't look like the same design, so I imgine there were more renderings made.

A few days later, on the 19th, the finished clay design is photographed completed in light blue metallic.
There apeear to be at least 10 images of that design per the identification numbers 1 - 10.
(I usually just find 8 views per designs from Ford)
To date I have only found S-6453 -1,-2,-3,-5,-6, &-10 (missing -4,-7,-8, &-9 and no others after -10)

These are the earliest photos found, so far, over many years of looking

Looking for this LAX video source  ?

Years ago, I saved a few still photos from a LAX video, but now I can't find the video source.
We can see many vertical lines in the still shots so it might be an old worn out copy.

Does anyone recognize it that can help share a link to the video to watch again?
Please help

It is great to read about our Shelby Research Group here on the SAAC forum. Nice to read our 'Z' stamped theory on Ford's takeover.
There are many other reasons that led us to believe Ford took over SAI in very late April / early May 1967.
The 'Z' stamp on the VIN plate is just one of the reasons...

For example, there is the letter that discusses Shelby American getting split into 3 separate companies around this time. 
Another letter, discusses Ford opening up sales from the 90 franchised dealer networks to over 1000 non franchises Ford dealers around the country...
to move more units out of inventory.

Then there is the invoice from Shelby to Ford to get paid before the change took place on 'Loss of Use" of company cars.
Then we see the DSO group number change. Originally it was '71', it changed to '84' then to '89' about this same time.
Each change reflected a point in time and Ford's relationship. I'm sure the list goes on, but you get my point.

Years ago I heard the theory that the 'Z' stamped VIN meant that a car should have an outboard grille and lights.
After collecting hundreds of photos of every '67 VIN plate I could find, that theory dissolved.
I was also tracking VIN plate photos by the noted registry completion dates. I discovered the added 'Z' stamp appears on cars on 4/27/67
... not one day before that.

Like most everything with '67's, there are one or two exceptions to every rule. We found one car completed after 4/27/67 with a 'Z' stamp.
Thanks to Jeff Speegle for sharing that one! The outboard grille / lights start appearing on cars around the second week of May.
That was a couple of weeks after the 'Z' stamping started. It's an interesting theory, but it doesn't hold water anymore.

Another theory was the cars with a 'Z' Stamping were not to be scavenged for parts. That one faded away too.
It was mentioned here on the forum; Why not simply put a card on the dash?
Yes the "Z' stamp would be more permanent, but who's going to open and close every hood to check?

Recently, I'm hearing a theory the 'Z' stamps were added to cars that received the upgraded Mustang 390 brake pads.
(By dealers that already had cars?)
There was a Service Bulletin issued on March 1st 1967, to dealers, that the brakes pads should be changed to the new 390 on any customer complaints.
Ford was going to change to these other brake pads on Shelby's after car '1422'. That work was under warranty, not a recall of any kind.
It doesn't explain all the cars with the 'Z' the stamping after that '1422' VIN and onward until the end of '67 production.
Nobody would need to track those units. Also since that service bulletin was issued March 1st it was many weeks before we start to see the 'Z' Stamps!.

"98 SVT" I've noticed you quoting our SRG posts before, but I don't think you're signed up on any of our websites...are you?
We would welcome anyone who wanted to participate and help add information of any kind to the topics.
The links to our sites are in my signatures.

Hopefullly I am not borrowing any copyrighted photos that are being shared here for historical educational purposes, but
I thought it would be neat for those interested in seeing them and I don't recall the websites they came from.

I'll start with October 1961 in London with this one photo from that show.

Can anyone fill in the story on this unusual Cobra.
What is the CSX number?
Why does it have different tail lights?
Did Ed Hugus built it? (Probably not.)

It was also in a December 7th 1963 video  filmed in Michigan.

It is different!

I am offering a data report on any 1991-1993 SAAC car (only 62 were built)
I'll need to confirm your VIN with a photo of the door pillar sticker and the buck tag.
The Ford VIN numbers are in our files along with past owner history.
(The Buck Tag is mounted on the radiator support just behind the driver's side headlight)
These two items will confirm exactly how the car was built, by FORD,
        before the SAAC Car Company completed it.

Send me a PM if I have not done one of these and I will create one ASAP.

Richstang (1991-1993 SAAC MKI, MKII, & Snake registrar since 2010)

I was wondering if anyone would happen to have a nice large photo of P/1001 in stock from and blue paint?

There was a front left view in front of FAV (Slough) on the "GT40.ORG.UK" site, but it is very small
It was later returned to FAV to get revamped as a race car.

What does the paint code "E" stand for in the 2011 Registry Grid Code pages for 1969-70?

It is not listed on page 856 in the 'KEY' for Original Features!

Version 1: 1991 MKI "SHELBY" Prototypes

These first sets of emblems were found on the prototypes at the SAAC Convention for the introduction in 1991 in Charlotte, NC.
(This included; MKI CX1, XX1, XX2, XX3, & XX4 (MKI XX4 was marked as MKI 009 while in Charlotte;
       MKI 007 has SHELBY emblems, but they were installed after Charlotte).
No other cars received them from the factory. I believe approximately a dozen sets were made for the prototypes.

"SHELBY" letters only for the exterior oval emblems, (no "AAC MKI" letters in ovals)
"SHELBY AAC MKI" letter emblems for the hatchback side quarter panel windows
"CS" letter logo in the center cap emblems
"SHELBY" letters in the oval logo on the steering wheel

Any members of the South Jersey Mustang Club?

I'm trying to ID this red '67 Shelby of one members' car
This photo was posted on the SJMC website.

It appears at some south jersey car shows and was also at SAAC 33 back in 2008.
There are a few other photos of his car. Most are from the side, but it does appear to have inboard grille lights.

Another Dynamic Motorsports '67 listing (not mine)

Looks very clean and should be for that asking price.
~57 GT350 Acapulco Blue 4-speeds were produced.

https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/80042285

NOT Mine;
67 GT500 street/ racer

https://dynamicmotorsports.com/showcase/50443/1967-Shelby-GT500-for-sale/

'This 1967 Shelby GT500 is a purpose built road racer that is street legal and nice enough to be featured in a magazine. Drive to the track, race, and drive home, just like American Muscle cars owners in the 1960's!

This GT500's original block was replaced by another FE block with Cobra Jet rods and crankshaft, ARP studs and bolts, Edelbrock aluminum heads, Harland Sharp roller rockers, Comp Cams camshaft, Iskendarian ('Isky") pushrods, and stock pistons. The engine is mated with a correct Toploader 4 speed with a Hurst shifter that sends power to the Detroit Locker differential via an aluminum drive shaft. The '67 Shelby also includes a Canton 8 quart road race oil pan, McLeod aluminum flywheel, FuelSafe fuel cell, FPA Tri-Y headers, and more. Suspension upgrades include; Wilwood 4 wheel disc brakes, upper and lower control arms, springs, front sway bars and Total Control's strut rods and Koni shocks.

Vintage 16x8 wheels are shod with Hoosier race rubber and in the cock pit, you'll find all the required safety equipment, roll cage, seat belts and shoulder harnesses. Autometer gauges and a race seat are also installed.

If you're looking for a street beast that is also at home on the track, this 1967 Shelby GT 500 is perfect. To build it today, comparably equipped, you could easily spend over $200K. This Shelby is originally from Washington State but is now located in Massachusetts.'

Looks like the floor pan rust was just painted over red in the photos.
This car had been for sale for a while.
Although there are no pics of the Shelby ID in the current ad it was posted previously in other past ads (below).
https://dyler.com/cars/shelby/gt500-for-sale/1967/57869/shelby-gt500-fastback-street-track-coupe-1967-orange-for-sale
https://themotormasters.com/vehicle/red-1967-shelby-gt500/

Not mine.

'This rare 1967 Shelby GT500 is a solid, clean, and straight local show winner! There is no rust anywhere and it handles beautifully. The vehicle was recently tuned and detailed and its ready for the local car shows.
It is nicely optioned with the original 428 C. I. Police Interceptor engine with correct dual 4 bbl carburetors and four speed Toploader transmission. Options include the competition handling package, tachometer, center mount driving lamps, courtesy light group and extra cooling package.
The Marti report shows this 1967 GT500 is painted in it's original and desirable Nightmist Blue paint with white Le Mans stripes. It is also equipped with power steering and power front disc brakes. The interior includes a fold down rear seat, interior decor group with black knitted upholstery, GT500 floor mats and ten spoke Shelby wheels.
This is an exceptionally clean GT500, restored a couple of years ago.
It is well documented; with restoration and maintenance receipts. Yes, it's in the Shelby Registry.
This rare and beautiful 1967 Shelby GT500 is now located in the Dallas/Ft. Worth, Texas area. Its ready for a weekend cruise or a car show. Take home the trophy!'

https://dynamicmotorsports.com/showcase/50400/1967-Shelby-GT500-for-sale/

It is a clean, sharp car, but it's clear the restorer was not a Shelby focused shop...with the non San Jose/Mustang details.
The unpainted shock tower beehives, red shocks, caution fan sticker are the glaring issues under the hood.
Who know what else is off. Maybe that's why they mention it as a 'local' show winner.

There are no good interior photos or any chassis photos. Why are there 4 front views and no rear view or trunk pictures?
Its a bit odd to me, they show the Shelby VIN stamped on the right inner fender but, not the Shelby VIN plate.

It is a factory Nightmist Blue, manual (no A/C no emissions). The registry notes it to be a standard rim (wheel covers) car.

DOCUMENTS;
SAAC MKI Sales Brochure; Mailed to SAAC Members, in SAAC stationary envelope
    2 color printed pages folded with B&W introduction letter and SAAC Parts page
SAAC MKII Sales sheet; B&W tech details
SAAC MKII Sales sheet; 2 sided color page
SAAC MKII Sales sheet; 2 sided color page (version 1)
SAAC MKII Sales sheet; 2 sided color page (version 2)
SAAC MKII Sales sheet; 2 sided color page (version 3)
SAAC Snake Sales sheet; 2 sided color page
SAAC Parts Brochure; (2 sticker labels)
    Catalog white, Price List green, Order Instructions blue, Order Form yellow, Wholesale List pink


ITEMS Included with car purchase;
SAAC Invoice [Owners name, VIN, options list/cost, deposit, amount due on delivery
SAAC Window Sticker (Moroney Label)
KONI shocks adjustment white knob (red letters, 'FIRM' with arrow noted)
Floor Mats; SAAC logo embroidered in coordinating colors


ITEMS mailed after purchase;
ARTWORK; -SHELBY AAC MKI illustration (created by Ed Gullett)
These were sent to original MKI owners as a thank you for their purchase along with a thank you note. The illustration included the double matting in matching colors. They were never offered for sale.
They were sent wrapped in cellophane. Some original owners did not pass these along to the second owners. Buying an MKI, don't forget to ask the seller to include this illustration along with the all the documentation.
While line art for the front view was used for the illustration, it was also used in stationary and letterhead. Line art for a rear view was also created by Ed, however I do not believe it was used in any materials sent out for marketing.

More photo to follow...

Over the years a few 1970 Shelby fastbacks have appeared with a red interior, but I've never seen a 1969 with a red interior.
-Were any made?

The red interior seem to be limited to specific colors such as white, red, and maybe pastel gray
-Were there any other paint colors that had it?

-Were there any Shelby convertibles produced with red interiors?
   (My guess is no, since I've never seen or heard of any)

Would anyone happen to know the Shelby ID for this Coventry Motors parade lap car?
The event is noted as Laguna Seca; June 9, 1963

The caption said 260, but would the "Powered by Ford" fender emblem indicate a 289?
It appears to have full bumpers with a rear exiting exhaust.

Thanks