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Parts For Sale / Re: 68 auto shifter for console
« on: August 16, 2022, 12:08:40 PM »
is that for a non shelby console car with those other tabs on it?

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One thing I have wondered is while there are patterns what about SCJs? The vast majority of 428 cars were CJs. Could SCJs been built in batches so you could have seen more swings in date codes than reg CJ engines? Hence a block that could have been later or earlier than a norm you would find for CJs? Just a thought.

Built in "batches"  - At the engine plant or SCJ cars at the auto plants?
Engine plant. I could see a longer gap if SCJ cars were built in batches but not a shorter gap. Just a thought. In other words if I'm not clear some of the reasons I have heard/thought were cars being early or late from their scheduled build dates were due to being how common a car might be for all parts to be available on the day of production. So say they have to wait for a batch of SCJ engines a car's build might be delayed until a batch of SCJ engines show up. I'm open to what anyone knows on why some cars were built way behind schedule. Color, parts etc. I also understand rotation of supplied parts were never 100 percent perfect.

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So with this what do you think about a matching numbers R-code built June 1 but with a 9E8 block and 9E3 intake date codes? That would be 4 weeks and 1 day for intake and 3 weeks 3 days for the block. before the car was built. Too early?....................

What do I think?  Based on other examples from that same time period and plant its unusual IMHO.  Too early?  Can't prove that and have seen similar or even shorted  examples that have been offered over the years. This is especially possible given the locations (how close they are to one another) the car and the engine plant when compared to other engine and car plants we see on other Ford products
One thing I have wondered is while there are patterns what about SCJs? The vast majority of 428 cars were CJs. Could SCJs been built in batches so you could have seen more swings in date codes than reg CJ engines? Hence a block that could have been later or earlier than a norm you would find for CJs? Just a thought.

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Why do you think its the bodystyle?

Maybe the numbers are transposed? Considering all the correct numbers are present and they are not aligned or even the same side up, I dont think its a stretch?

Not every car was perfectly stamped and can be identified.

Im just wondering what is being gained by giving everyone that sells a car an anal exam in public?
I said I didn't know or am claiming a restamp block. The seller thinks by looking at his block and pics he took that it is a 9T02. He is saying it. Here is one I would go out on a limb and say it is  a good chance  a restamped block. The question came up here from Jeff's original comment on lead times for castings. Try not to read into something I'm not saying. I have never claimed on any auction a RESTAMPED block for good reason-can't prove it. MODIFIED other post to say BODY STYLE(Missing R for one) but also posted link and pic from auction for clarity.

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It doesn't look like a full VIN to me.
look closely at the pic 9T02 is upside down then the 59 is rightside up. I don't see an "R" but have not seen the body style yet on a virgin block . Like I said a horrible stamping. Usually those restamping blocks do a "nice job" .

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The lead time for various parts changes during the production cycle. Unless you have multiple examples for the same time frame and know the history of the car it's difficult to say its matching.
Thanks. What bothered me on the SCJ was that it has the 02 stamped on the block according to the seller but is so horribly stamped I was wondering if original or not.

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Easiest and major thing for many would be that it were cast (the intake) before the engine was assembled but lacking the original engine to compare the assembly date to I would suggest you aim for something two to three months before the car was completed according to the Marti report. That would likely place it in an "acceptable range" for many people given your specific situation. So maybe something around Mid to late Nov into Dec 68 Looking quickly at some dates I see I have one example built near the 13th of Feb with an intake cast on 8L30
So with this what do you think about a matching numbers R-code built June 1 but with a 9E8 block and 9E3 intake date codes? That would be 4 weeks and 1 day for intake and 3 weeks 3 days for the block. before the car was built. Too early? The car is on BaT right now. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-ford-mustang-mach-1-34/

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Up For Auction / Re: 9F02R482267 on BAT
« on: August 11, 2022, 12:41:55 PM »
I like white  stripes on a red car-even though not original

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Up For Auction / Re: White on Parchment Gt500 1967
« on: August 11, 2022, 12:40:45 PM »
Whether it was useful or not that mod continued on in 68 and 69(70).

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Up For Auction / Re: White on Parchment Gt500 1967
« on: August 10, 2022, 11:20:45 AM »
Would love to see what that color combo would look like without lemans stripes.Never seen one.
Easily lost in a snow storm.

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Up For Auction / Re: White on Parchment Gt500 1967
« on: August 10, 2022, 08:32:41 AM »
I appreciate how owners like to cherry pick pricing information.

 :o
Not only that the owner says most of those (440K?) restorations had much higher mileage, more owners and older restos. HUH? That car's resto is over 20 years old(still looks great in pics). I just saw a much more recent Brown resto sell for 295K in nightmist(we all pretty much did).  ::)

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Since we believe the state DMVs all run independantly and individually depending on the person who inputs that info...
A car may or may not have the 'Z' noted as part of the VIN...

When new the DMV put in what was on the MSO the dealer gave them. Over the years the Z may have been added to some when having them inspected for re-registration or transfer thinking the omission was an error. I had to have the title corrected on an original Mini Cooper S. Utah DMV had listed the VIN on the title with the number 5 instead of the correct S. The CA inspector drug out his magnifying glass and said yep that's an S.
your story reminds me of KK2039 69 B9 I owned. Prior owner had to get a title for it as his was stolen so he had police come out. with a dirty inside windshield they mistook the "Q" (9F02Q198868) for a 0 so when I bought the car it had the "0" instead of the Q. My car was one of the ones they didn't change the dash tag or stamp the Z over the Q on 69 B9s. I was able with my Eminger invoices and Ford manuals to get my DMV without the car present to change the 0 to a Z and do it for free(I claimed their error). Original KK Door sticker and door tag confirmed as well as the "obvious" a "Z" B9. Well today the car sports a Z dash tag. It appears someone made up a fake Vin tag for the car. I hope they saved the original Q vin tag but doubt it. I thought it was a cool part of it's history(first Eminger report shows Q going to KK then the second a Z going to the Ford dealership). I still have the original paperwork showing our DMV changing the title from an 0 to a Z.

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Concours Talk / Re: 69 trap door prop rod
« on: August 04, 2022, 12:22:17 PM »
Just wanted to keep this is an apple for apple comparison. So easy to not keep the narrow focus and include details from other plants, and years that can have differences so that we can provide the best information and recommendations.  Didn't state that the trap door rods were different Hardware related to all the parts can be different and as you have shown the finish on the bracket that attaches to the trunk hinge support is different likely due to using a different supplier on San Jose cars.
Thanks Jeff, fully understand.

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Concours Talk / Re: 69 trap door prop rod
« on: August 04, 2022, 06:03:35 AM »
here are some  from supposed original cars I have on my work file(I'll search for more). I always thought a natural finish  with possibly a phosphate?

Looks like the bottom two are from 70 Mustangs
They are as those are the only pics I could find on my CPU I was using at the time. Are you saying the trap door rods varied between 69 and 70 or plants? I never noticed a difference and all the ones I have owned(probably all Dearborn cars as I lived a few miles from the plant) were usually light rusty as in the phosphate was worn off over time. I put a "few" FDRSs in Mustangs over the years in my youth. For the sake of clarity(brackets being in the pics) I'll delete my 70 pics. Thanks Jeff for providing some more pics. BTW the pic I left came from a black plate San Jose car.

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