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1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Archway Motors pics
« on: February 14, 2022, 02:05:37 PM »
Piggy-backing on the research and information that Charles previously provided, we can make a pretty good guess when these photos were taken.

5S358 – shipped to Archway on 8/3/65 and sold to first owner on 12/21/65
5S471 – shipped to Archway on 8/3/65 and sold to first owner on 12/10/65
5S505 – shipped to Archway on 8/3/65 and sold to first owner on 12/22/65
6S230 – shipped to Archway on 9/30/65 and didn’t sell until 9/3/66.

It would seem that these pictures had to be taken between 9/30/65 (when 6S230 shipped to Archway) and 12/22/65 (when the last of the possible 1965 GT350s in these photos was sold to its first owner.

Make sense?

Steve

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1965 GT350/R-Model / Re: Archway Motors pics
« on: February 14, 2022, 01:28:19 PM »
I think the '66 carryover is 6S230.  I only found 2 carryover's shipped to Archway Motors, the other was 6S248, but there is no mention of LeMans stripes.

The '65 is one of these:
5S505
5S471
5S358

I agree with you about the 1966 car. It's a carryover for sure because it doesn't have backup lights. And, as you mentioned, only 2 carryovers shipped to Archway - 6s230 with Cragars & stripes, and 6s248 with Cragars but no stripes. Making this car 6s230. Great research on your part. I was all set to do a deep dive to figure out which carryover that was, but you already did that. Thanks!

Steve

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I think AAMA stands for American Automobile Manufacturers Association. Can't find anything about this particular event.

Steve

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: 66 fiberglass hoods with steel frames
« on: September 09, 2021, 05:35:56 PM »
Jeff, Thanks for the pictures, and the info about which scoop is the early and later version.

Jeff & Randy, Thanks for adding to my education!

I'm now reasonably convinced that the early hood version had the deeper scoop opening like the gold hood Jeff posted, along with NO "gussets" under the leading edge. And the later hood version had the shallower scoop opening like the blue hood Jeff posted, along with the 4 "gussets" under the leading edge. Does anyone disagree with that? Have I gone off the rails with that generalization? Maybe those two features do not need to be linked to each other?

Also, has anyone linked the clocking of the hood pin plate rivets to these two hood types? Could the 12-3-6-9 clocking go with the early hoods and the 2-4-8-10 clocking go with the later hoods?

Steve

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: 66 fiberglass hoods with steel frames
« on: September 09, 2021, 12:37:30 PM »
Randy, thanks for sharing your opinion on this hood. I have long suspected that this is a "later" hood based on the "gussets" under the leading edge. But I never knew that there was a difference in the scoop opening. What fun this is learning something new!

If your trouble with photos is posting them to the forum, feel free to email them to me and I'll post them here for you. My email address is in my forum profile.

If anyone else has some pictures of the scoop opening on the "early" fiberglass over steel hoods, please jump in and post them.

Thanks,
Steve

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: 66 fiberglass hoods with steel frames
« on: September 08, 2021, 08:05:07 PM »
Here's a picture of the other corner of my hood. It has a sharper cutout angle where the scoop meets the body of the hood. The other side looks more rounded at that joint. Could be that one of these areas has had some past repair work. I don't know the history of this hood except that it's from a 1966 GT350 - as told to me by Jim Cowles when he purchased it to use during the restoration of my car.

In any case, I post these pics here for the more knowledgeable forum members to use as examples to teach us something about the different versions of the fiberglass over steel hoods.

Steve

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: 66 fiberglass hoods with steel frames
« on: September 08, 2021, 02:51:35 PM »
While we're waiting to see if any better pictures get posted, here are two shots of my current hood. It's an original 1966 GT350 hood, but not original to my 6S087.

Randy, (or anyone else), can you identify this hood type by that scoop opening? Early? Late? Cutout? Molded? Angular? Closed? Whatever?

Please ignore the odd shade of blue in these pics. I had to do a little brightening in Photoshop to get the details to show and that caused a change in the color.

Steve

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: 66 fiberglass hoods with steel frames
« on: September 04, 2021, 11:25:07 AM »
Hey Randy, do you have any pictures that would show the 2 different scoop openings? That’s something I was unaware of and would like to understand better.

Thanks,
Steve

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Wanted to Buy / Re: WTB: 65 GT350 Lug Nut Wrench
« on: September 04, 2021, 10:36:04 AM »
Jim Cowles was selling perfect repos of that wrench at one time. If you can find whoever bought out Shelby Parts & Restoration they may still have a few.

Steve

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: 66 fiberglass hoods with steel frames
« on: September 04, 2021, 10:15:48 AM »
I have also noticed a difference under the leading edge of the 1966 GT350 hoods. Some have what I call "gussets" and some don't. See these pics for the difference.

Steve
(Pictures courtesy of Brant Halterman at Virginia Classic Mustang)

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Up For Auction / Re: 6S165 - RM - Monterey 2021
« on: August 15, 2021, 02:05:40 PM »
I watch the carryovers pretty closely and in my opinion a nice driver quality carryover can be worth what this car brought - more or less depending on the individual car. Always keeping in mind that beauty and value are in the eye of the beholder.

The carryovers bringing $325K to #375K are usually concours examples. And as far as I can tell that pricing trend continues. If you know of a concours carryover that sold under that range in the last 2 years please let me know. I may have missed one.

BTW, I'm not trying to push values higher or lower. Just sharing my opinion and what I've learned over several years of tracking these particular cars.

Steve

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The Lounge / Federal Tax Per Mile Driven
« on: August 04, 2021, 10:29:48 AM »
Buried in the Senate's version of the new "Infrastructure" bill is a pilot program to test taxing drivers per mile driven.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/senate-infrastructure-bill-gives-feds-go-ahead-to-test-taxing-every-mile-americans-drive_3931837.html?utm_source=Morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-08-04&mktids=b6a2a99a7df96e04457e9cf9b140c334&est=vjq%2Fh1Sq7RfaX%2FF8ipgtp%2F7wmY4jpcQtSV4bNlyImEnbpd88rGSTXXKDOpqB

Of course it will NOT be called a new TAX. That might give people a negative feeling about this new... tax. They will be calling it "a national motor vehicle per-mile user fee." So it's not a new tax, it's a user fee. Now, don't you feel better?

Steve

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SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Shelby Prices Today?
« on: July 30, 2021, 07:47:02 PM »
Very difficult to predict prices on these cars. My two cents is that if you buy a car because you love it, and keep it at least 5 or 10 years, then you shouldn't lose money. And you'll have the pleasure of ownership during that time. But my crystal ball is a little hazy today so I can't guarantee that.

Steve

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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: 98i BP
« on: July 27, 2021, 10:41:57 PM »
I find it interesting that the OVC puts quarter windows and side scoops on their ultimate 1965 GT350R. Always makes me think of a carryover.

Steve

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Bob, please check for a new PM I sent you on July 22, 2021, 11:26:43 AM.

Thanks,
Steve

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