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OOO! Roy Rogers singing "Back in the saddle again". Damn those saddle sores.

Sorry to push the PITA's to you but I figure no one else is better suited to deal with them? 

Quote from: 69mach351w on January 28, 2018, 08:40:46 AM

Quote from: shelbydoug on January 27, 2018, 08:56:58 PM
Well IF the financial part is the problem, then this is worth some discussion. There are lots of us here that enjoy, promote or do business on and have some kind of vested interest in seeing this forum AND SAAC flourish now and in the future.

It is a way of finding new blood, making new acquaintances and mending old fences.

There have been questions about how SAAC will or can continue into the future and the forum is too valuable of a tool to let go by the waste side and fade into oblivion.

One way of attracting new blood and carrying on what is apparently an infection of passion with Shelby's cars is with this forum. There are hundreds if not thousands that stumble upon it casually and eventually come away with an undeniable if not inexplicable interest in these cars.

All Ron needs to do is create a PayPal account where donations could be sent. You don't need to contribute a fortune, just what you can, anonymously.

There are lots of us who disagree here on relatively petty points but one thing that we all agree upon is wanting to see the interest on these cars continue well past our own lives.

It MIGHT be a time to consider taking advertising here as well?

Like I said, it's worthy of a discussion and consideration?

IMO, the crash should've NEVER happened!!! I remember distinctly MANY on here talking concern and there was also talk about who owned the forum, who minds the server, etc,. And after all the concern about these issues for several weeks....... BAM!!!! ALL WAS GONE, VANISHED!!!   

Some on here may just not understand the magnitude of what was lost because they use this forum as a form of chatting, talking about just "Stuff", why do you all think that the lounge has the most post and threads of any other area? 

When I first came on board as a member, I could not believe the knowledge and expertise here and figured this is amazing, the stuff you guys know and ALL the threads of information that you guys generated and researched.  This forum is truly the BIBLE of 1st generation Shelbys. Simply put.....AMAZING!!!

I am willing as an SAAC member to pay dues.  When I was a member of CMF, I gave several donations several times and I have give donations here as well.

So, with all said, I too, will continue to give and I am willing to pay dues as well

This forum IS NOT owned by SAAC. It is independently owned and SAAC membership fees do no contribute to it's running.

It was created after Shelby blindsided SAAC with a lawsuit claiming intellectual ownership of the SAAC Registry by Shelby himself. It was created to provide a means of support to SAAC in that suit.

Quote from: silverton_ford on January 27, 2018, 11:10:08 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on January 27, 2018, 08:09:27 AM
To me that is THE most amazing find ever. It's difficult to imagine something better? What is the CSX number on that car? It probably is a 3200 number with the 428?

After analyzing the registry I think it could be 3278.   What do you think?

We need Ned's input.


I don't get the point of the barn find? It isn't like the owner will pay you to paint the house by giving you the car?

These cars are probably involved in an Estate sale and the manager is trying to top them out. An original 427 street car like this is worth around a million and you probably will need to pay more for the mice and cobwebs?

Even if you got them for nothing if you tried to register them for the street the state in charge has a list of valuations of them and you will pay the sales tax according to that.

It still comes down to being a billionaire to afford even a barn find but I suppose dreams die very hard?

Quote from: J_Speegle on January 27, 2018, 05:26:55 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on January 27, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
462? Anyone check the hot sheets from 68? Didn't that car get reported stolen in Michigan and never recovered? Hey Dave? 

462 isn't the cars Shelby VIN. 67410F7U00462 as you can see, was not a thermactor car  nor  black interior car

The number was possibly an inventory number from whereever they picked the car up from.
The location is not one typically used by San Jose for the second rotation number so likely not that

Looks possibly like a much later car from the other clues in the picture

I was just being my regular, sarcastic self and attempting a little humor. Granted...very little.

Really nice car. It SURE is RED! Wow! 

Well IF the financial part is the problem, then this is worth some discussion. There are lots of us here that enjoy, promote or do business on and have some kind of vested interest in seeing this forum AND SAAC flourish now and in the future.

It is a way of finding new blood, making new acquaintances and mending old fences.

There have been questions about how SAAC will or can continue into the future and the forum is too valuable of a tool to let go by the waste side and fade into oblivion.

One way of attracting new blood and carrying on what is apparently an infection of passion with Shelby's cars is with this forum. There are hundreds if not thousands that stumble upon it casually and eventually come away with an undeniable if not inexplicable interest in these cars.

All Ron needs to do is create a PayPal account where donations could be sent. You don't need to contribute a fortune, just what you can, anonymously.

There are lots of us who disagree here on relatively petty points but one thing that we all agree upon is wanting to see the interest on these cars continue well past our own lives.

It MIGHT be a time to consider taking advertising here as well?

Like I said, it's worthy of a discussion and consideration?

I think that is mis-interpretation of the facts? If it was 10 years ago the technology would only allow it to load in 5 minutes.

Now that means there is something wrong with the equipment.

The way this server is wobbling around between ok and crashing again shows it is on it's last legs or maybe just being propped up on it's last legs momentarily?

I think ultimately we, yes me included, are going to have to contribute to a Pitcrew Paypal account for donations to pay for a new server? That may be the only way to fix these issues, i.e., a new server or rent or lease a server monthly?

I seem to remember having a discussion with Ron about 10 years ago and he said a new server was about $18,000, and basically no one wanted or maybe more correctly no one could pay for it at the time?

Anyway anyone looks at this, this forum HAS become the lifeblood of the minute to minute existence of this "club" and it clearly needs it to survive even in the near future.  This server issue needs to be remedied?

Any suggestions? I have a roll of quarters I can contribute right now?  I'm going to need to keep the dimes and nickels for gas money. I might have more next month when I vacuum out the car?

Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 27, 2018, 12:51:34 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on January 27, 2018, 11:32:03 AM

Quote from: crxnug on January 27, 2018, 11:14:50 AM
thats where i need to get some clarification, will bead blasting leave the exact same appearance that was there originally , if not then i would spray paint it so it is correct

Original? Well, right there that is a little controversial? It really depends on the original finish on YOUR manifold.

Some had very rough cast finishes. Some almost shinny like a pressure cast item does. I'm convinced they ALL had the COBRA highlighted.

I would rephrase the question and consider it a question of what the predominant majority of the knowledgeable expect the manifold to look like. In other words, take the advise of someone like Bob Gaines or the equivalent as to what is a "pretty good" representation of what the original finish was. I don't think that you will ever get a 100% agreement or even close to that of what it should look like.

You CAN hurt them a little by using the wrong blast media AND the finish on something like the Blue Thunder manifolds confuses things. It's pretty but hardly what the originals came out looking like.

IF you decide to play with different media in the blaster,  protect the machined surfaces. That is really a PITA but I think worth it.

Personally, and I'm gonna' get flack on this one for sure, I like the Black Beauty SANDBLAST media followed by a wash with the HEAVY DUTY, smart your eyes acid wheel cleaner. It's going to make it look like an Edelbrock finish and similar to the Blue Thunder. Both REALLY nice finishes.

That will get rid of a lot of the staining put into the castings by years of grease, grit and spilled gas BUT (and this is a BIG one) it may reveal casting flaws like porosity in the castings that you never saw before or knew were there? So that's kinda' a can of worms.

If you are a perfectionist, you are probably better off sending it to Jim Cowles?  He's a PITA too but you need to remember the same thing that makes him difficult to live with is the same thing that makes his results exceptional? 

Definitely stay away from paint though. You do not want to go that route.

Yes, not painted. First off I have yet to duplicate with bead blasting the exact factory finish the aluminum intakes had when fresh new. The fresh cast look is hard to duplicate. I keep a unmolested example around to remind me. It is a little scary when I read  Shelbydoug's post because it makes me think he can read my mind or has been spying on me (now I sound like him    ) . I agree with the finish on a brand new Blue Thunder finish being very close. I have only been able to duplicate that original finish on a couple of intakes in my life and those are ones that I didn't have to blast and just cleaned chemically. Those are few and far between . Most you have to blast in some form or fashion. You lose some definition when you blast. The technique he suggests going about getting something in finish close is compatible too.  I have found that glass beads make the finish too shiny IMO.The black beauty is very aggressive grit . There are machined surfaces on the top side that will have to be dressed out afterwards .You do that after the acid wash . There is a learning curve with this type of work. If you don't plan on doing this kind of restoration much and want the best look the first time out you might consider sending to Jim at Shelby parts (like I said scary)    .     

I think you just hired a Witchdoctor to put a spell on me? He's good.

Quote from: crxnug on January 27, 2018, 11:14:50 AM
thats where i need to get some clarification, will bead blasting leave the exact same appearance that was there originally , if not then i would spray paint it so it is correct

Original? Well, right there that is a little controversial? It really depends on the original finish on YOUR manifold.

Some had very rough cast finishes. Some almost shinny like a pressure cast item does. I'm convinced they ALL had the COBRA highlighted.

I would rephrase the question and consider it a question of what the predominant majority of the knowledgeable expect the manifold to look like. In other words, take the advise of someone like Bob Gaines or the equivalent as to what is a "pretty good" representation of what the original finish was. I don't think that you will ever get a 100% agreement or even close to that of what it should look like.

You CAN hurt them a little by using the wrong blast media AND the finish on something like the Blue Thunder manifolds confuses things. It's pretty but hardly what the originals came out looking like.

IF you decide to play with different media in the blaster,  protect the machined surfaces. That is really a PITA but I think worth it.

Personally, and I'm gonna' get flack on this one for sure, I like the Black Beauty SANDBLAST media followed by a wash with the HEAVY DUTY, smart your eyes acid wheel cleaner. It's going to make it look like an Edelbrock finish and similar to the Blue Thunder. Both REALLY nice finishes.

That will get rid of a lot of the staining put into the castings by years of grease, grit and spilled gas BUT (and this is a BIG one) it may reveal casting flaws like porosity in the castings that you never saw before or knew were there? So that's kinda' a can of worms.

If you are a perfectionist, you are probably better off sending it to Jim Cowles?  He's a PITA too but you need to remember the same thing that makes him difficult to live with is the same thing that makes his results exceptional? 

Definitely stay away from paint though. You do not want to go that route.

Yikes. Value? Well, they are worth what you can get for them on the day you go to sell it so really the significance of value is what you will get from your insurance company in the event of a total loss.

If for instance you purchase the car at BJ auction, you are going to have receipts. Receipts that you are going to show your insurance agent what it costs as a representation of value or maybe what replacement value is.

So that kind of makes all the other discussions of your tire kicker friends, dealers, brokers, etc, kind of irrelevant? You have established a MINIMUM value for THAT car and everyone else can basically go piss off.

Be careful on the wording of your policy though. Although you may think that you have an agreed value of the car, some companies will give it to their legal division and attempt to get you to agree to accept a substitute car of equal value. If they can do that, that's some trick?

Listen, they don't hire pencil neck nerds to work 24/7 for them at the risk of being deported as a penalty for settling on too much for nothing.

You are not "In good hands". More like a hand job if you don't pay attention.

You simply are going to have many people telling you that you over paid, it isn't worth that, it isn't worth more then my 69 Chevelle, Hemi Road Runner, etc. That is what is basically called hearsay evidence and means something, but probably not much.

I need clarification? Do you mean that you want to paint it instead of just bead blasting it OR you think that they were painted to begin with?

'Splain it to me please? Me stupido.

Quote from: JD on January 22, 2018, 10:49:35 PM

Quote from: 67_1183 on January 22, 2018, 08:37:54 PM
If no one else has responded, I have it in 1213 x 1603 425 KB jpg.

If someone has better, I would like it too.

Here is what I have, may not better...

462? Anyone check the hot sheets from 68? Didn't that car get reported stolen in Michigan and never recovered? Hey Dave? 

Hum? Worked. What do you know...wait...did you just hear a loud boom or was that just me? 

Trying to post pictures again. Let's see if this one works without the entire East Coast loosing electrical power? Dam Russians!

This pic is from 1971. American 200s wheels. Gold paint in the front nose. Mach 1 mirrors. "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now?" 

-01107, a NY, NY, ex-Hertz car.



I ran into William Daniels, you will remember him as the voice of "Kit" on "Knight Rider",  showing it about 1981 in Katona, NY, at the annual "Light House Car Show".

He was with his 5 or 6 year old son and TRYING to explain what a Shelby was, that he and Garner used to rent them all the time, and that he rented one just like it when he would come to NY on business when he could.

Now he has a very distinctive voice and frankly his face is very recognizable. I try to be sensitive to their plight and not acknowledge that I know who they are. He wasn't buying that from me that day?

Maybe because I wanted to know why they spilled Coke all over the carpets and put cigarette burns in it too.

"Kowalski" (Barry Newman, from "Vanishing Point") was playing cute too, but he was more interested on why my license plate was XXX-869. He kept looking at my face and didn't recognize it.

He ran away from me too. I wonder why? My wife used to drive the car and when asked about the plate number would say, "my dog used to be a porno star".

Leno's ok with Kopec. Figure that one out?

Maybe it is best to get as far away from me as possible? Who am I to argue with that? 

Theoretically I think they all came with the chrome ring or were supposed to. They created an unexpected issue though of not staying where they were supposed to and many got removed.

It could have been by anyone including the original sales person, dealer or even the transporter guy unloading them off of the trailer.

Even if they stayed in place they would eventually, meaning soon, damage or wear through the station wagon paneling used for the woodgrain effect in the console, so simplest solution often being the best...off they came.

If you were lucky, the salesman gave it to you seperately with the keys, explained why they took it off and left it up to the new owner to decide WTF to do with it?