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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Local Holley Guru ?
« on: February 24, 2020, 03:05:42 PM »
Thanks Guys,

I'm sending my 715 to Drew a little later in the spring.

My 600 DP is ready in the morning, so I'm hoping the TN weather is conducive for a test drive later on.

Thanks to all that have responded.... I get the message !

BG

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Factory A/C ?
« on: February 24, 2020, 03:03:32 PM »
Guys,

I can tell you that there are what appears to be 2 large a/c brass fittings in/through the firewall right in front of the passenger in what looks to be right behind the glove box.

Also, the previous interior dash picture has been confirmed by the second owner the this picture predates his purchasing the car..... so the original owner took that picture. He also stated that is exactly the way it was when the original owner sold the car, and also when he sold the car to the third owner in San Diego.

When it warms up, I'll peel back the cover and try and get a clear picture.

Thanks,
BG

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Factory A/C ?
« on: February 24, 2020, 10:58:15 AM »
Here is a scan of the dealer paperwork, consisting of the orange Inventory Card, on top of the pink Invoice, on top of the yellow Retail Car Order stapled together.

Total selling price was $4702.78 less the trade 1807.78 (mentioned previously) for a cash due on delivery total of $2895.00

No where on the Invoice or Retail Car Order does it break down the costs of the individual options, other than the Inventory card. They both state Total Selling Price of $4702.78 only.

Note... no sales tax for out of state, non-resident buyer from FL, and coincidentally the Marti Report shows 02597 sold for $4403.78 which is exactly a $299.00 difference.

BG

 

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Factory A/C ?
« on: February 24, 2020, 10:19:46 AM »
Steven / Rich,

Thank you both.... I appreciate it.

I guess I should have started off with the dealer installed am/fm radio, rather than the a/c .......!!

Finally getting in contact with the second owner, and him supplying everything that he has sent me got me a little jazzed up.


Bob

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Factory A/C ?
« on: February 24, 2020, 08:55:38 AM »

Shelby American charged dealers $292.06 for factory equipped A/C with a suggested the retail at $356.09.
It is surprising the dealer wouldn't charge at least that MSRP to help offset their costs to add A/C.

Rich,

I was not there...... I do know that Marjorie's '65 2+2 burgundy 289 auto Fastback was the trade involved  in the sale, and she and Charlie told the dealer that they would like to have air, due to them taking this car to their FL home in Tallahassee for obvious reasons. Isn't conceivable that in the heat of the negotiations, to sell a new '67 GT-350, can't you just see the Frontier Ford sales mgr calling the parts mgr to find out what their cost was on air, so he could throw that in to make the deal happen. Like none of us has ever seen a dealer do that.

Bob

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Factory A/C ?
« on: February 24, 2020, 08:43:00 AM »
Following along...I am going to take you at your word, everything was installed by the Ford dealer.

I think your question is does it add value to the car?  Probably not.

The factory 4spd cars will likely remain the most valuable,  however the difference in price isnt usually that significant from the others. At best you are not going to realize all of that difference.

Thank you very much..... I just wanted to know the difference between a factory installed option, and a dealer installed option ....... its really not a big deal for me, as the 3rd owner removed the a/c and now I have it packed away in boxes along with some other componentry that was packed away in the trunk on its shipping journey from So Cal to TN.

I could post scans of the dealer paperwork, but to be honest, it was all stapled together just one time probably by the Ford dealer, and I'd like to keep it that way.

BG

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Factory A/C ?
« on: February 24, 2020, 07:36:52 AM »
Bob,

What you are seeing, is what Frontier Ford installed for Charlie McNabb in 1967  for air at an invoiced cost of $299.00 per the second owner and good friend Merlin Mitchell. He does recall that the air was a last minute change while making the deal due to the fact that they were taking the car to their FL home.

I have no reason to doubt Merlin or the pictures and original dealer paperwork that was presented to him by Mr. McNabb.

Who knows why Frontier only charged $299.00 ?   Maybe they had that factored in on the $1800.- trade of his wife's '65 2+2 Fastback ?  I don't know, I wasn't there. 

But back to my original question, does dealer air installed,  prior to delivery, help in anyway ? I assumed that since Frontier was a Ford dealer, they would have been using Ford factory replacement parts since it was in dash.......that one is on me.

BG



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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Factory A/C ?
« on: February 24, 2020, 07:10:17 AM »
Rich,

Yes I have supplied Dave with some updated recent pictures of the exterior for the new registry. Nothing was said about any interior pictures needed ?

The photos from Merlin Mitchell the second owner are late '70s to early '80s he believes. He purchased the car in early '88 from the original owner finally after waiting 21 years.

Thanks,
Bob

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Factory A/C ?
« on: February 23, 2020, 10:00:36 PM »
Guys,

I am getting this from the second owner of the car, who was a good friend of the original owner in Tallahassee. He had dibbs on the car in 1969.

He is saying the car was delivered by Frontier Ford with in dash a/c, which is the way he also purchased and sold later on.

He has supplied me with pictures, which contain plenty of evidence to what he is conveying to me. These pictures were supplied to him by the original owner after he had purchased the car.

Additionally, the Ford dealer's inventory card attached to the dealer sales order shows the following breakdown;

   Shelby American GT-350  $3995.00
   Power disc brakes                 64.77
   Shoulder harness                  50.76
   Power steering                      84.47
   Fold-down Rear seat              64.77
   Radio                                   57.51
   Freight                                 86.50
   Air                                      299.00
                           Total        $4702.78

I'm sorry about the picture quality, but these as you can expect are scans of old photographs.


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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Factory A/C ?
« on: February 23, 2020, 04:41:12 PM »
Just to be clear, the a/c system is not an under dash add on system, it is the same in dash FoMoCo system that you would see on a factory a/c car.  The second owner also confirmed the a/c was in the car when he purchased from the original owner, and when he sold to the third owner in CA. The 3rd owner removed it and it was in the trunk when I purchased. The second owner has pictures as well.

Yes the car was sold new at Frontier Ford in Niagara Falls NY, but the original owner took the car to their winter home in Tallahassee FL. The original dealer sales order also showed the buyer as a FL customer.  It just lists a/c and $299.- on the dealer inventory card which is added into the final price bring the total to $4702.78

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Factory A/C ?
« on: February 23, 2020, 10:11:02 AM »
Of course the Marti Report doesn't show it, but now that I have a copy of the Ford dealer's original sales order to the original owner of my GT-350, the buyer was charged $299.00 for factory FoMoCo a/c. My question is, is a dealer installed option prior to the original buyer taking possession of his new GT-350, considered just an add on, or is it a legitimate option ?   Kind of like most radios being dealer installed ?

Thanks,
BG

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Local Holley Guru ?
« on: February 23, 2020, 09:58:49 AM »
Thanks guys..... yes Drew and I have spoken.

I am going to send him my 715 LeMans later this spring when his schedule loosens up.

For now the 600 DP will go back on later this week and I can deal with a few other small projects.

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Local Holley Guru ?
« on: February 20, 2020, 08:14:36 AM »
Anybody know of a good Holley re-builder they can recommend in Knoxville TN or the E TN area.....?

Thank You,

BG


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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Dumb Question ?
« on: February 20, 2020, 08:11:29 AM »
this might begin to outline the 3 basic types...

Thanks JD ... that is certainly a start for me.

Any knowledge where an original wiring schematic or diagram might be found ?

BG

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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Distributor Question
« on: February 20, 2020, 08:07:06 AM »
Guys,

Thank you very much...... as always great insight and info.

Always appreciated.

BG

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