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1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H / Re: Okay enough of the Boss 302...for now
« on: October 23, 2021, 10:54:52 AM »
Great!. I can't wait to see the Hertz lineup and the show overall. Gary

Indiana SAAC / Re: IN SAAC Fall Classic ,Oct. 20-21-22, 2021
« on: October 23, 2021, 08:11:36 AM »
70 Drag Pack Vert and last Shelby Vert
I've heard that story before but I do not know how they backed it up? Mari reports for all late verts? I know the guy who had the highest vinned Shelby vert. Pastel gray car. Thank you very much for posting the pics. Gary

Indiana SAAC / Re: IN SAAC Fall Classic ,Oct. 20-21-22, 2021
« on: October 16, 2021, 11:57:14 AM »
Fall Classic time is getting near! Can't hardly wait to see the three red 67's together under one roof.
French Lick here we come.
Is there a reason it is Wednesday-Thursday-Friday and not Thursday-Friday-Sat? Thanks
The way I heard it was, autumn is busy tourist season in French Lick and when they decided to do an event this year no weekends were available. Hoping to plan for next year earlier, so as to get weekend dates.
I was trying to work out vacation and realized that I'd have to take at least 2 days off of work which I don't have so hopefully next year I'll have all the time I want(retirement). Gary

1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: Correct tail panel black trim paint
« on: October 16, 2021, 07:39:58 AM »
My 1969 GT350 does not have black paint on side of taillight like the one pictured......Is this picture showing the correct black out areas?

Stu, this car was never done that way. I consider it rare and not the norm. Can't beat original period correct pics. This is Bill Cooke's dad's daily driver in 1969 as he was a Ford exec. Appears to not be an early car because of the Polyglas tires and it also sports the snake and Shelby quarter sail emblems. Gary

I was fortunate in the the repaint on my car was done over the original and the "maroon"  color used was a very transparent color so I could easily see the black out area on it since they were not that diligent on that lower area of the car when repainted.

1969-1970 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: 1970 GT350 convertible-new owner
« on: October 16, 2021, 07:32:40 AM »
Congrats again Bill on this purchase. I know how long you waited to get it after sealing the deal. I know you know it was worth the wait. These are such fun balanced cars to drive. Gary

Indiana SAAC / Re: IN SAAC Fall Classic ,Oct. 20-21-22, 2021
« on: October 16, 2021, 07:25:07 AM »
Fall Classic time is getting near! Can't hardly wait to see the three red 67's together under one roof.
French Lick here we come.
Is there a reason it is Wednesday-Thursday-Friday and not Thursday-Friday-Sat? Thanks

SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Random car pictures
« on: October 06, 2021, 04:45:08 PM »
Gapp & Roush Pinto, wow  8)

related to today's  Roush Racing ? ?

Yes Wayne Gapp and Jack Roush raced together back then. Wayne opened a shop on Levan rd in Livonia and Jack on the next street(Market street). Now Jack owns many buildings on Market street as well as other areas in Metro Detroit and down south(NASCAR).

SAAC Forum Discussion Area / Re: Random car pictures
« on: October 06, 2021, 08:48:41 AM »
A current car on BaT (0F02R483073). Prior owner posted a link to a pic of it in 1975 before it was stolen and recovered.

My favorite award received:
Dan. LOL, best trophy class I have seen yet. Gary

Cars For Sale / Re: 1970 Shelby GT 350 Convertible
« on: October 02, 2021, 12:01:24 PM »
Did Rick Parker once own this Bret? If so is/was the front spoiler fiberglass? Thanks. Gary

My 2 car garage.

I got to thinking who owns what. So I can attach a car to a forum member. NBD if you don't own one as enthusiasm is the mantra of SAAC.  Also in the description a brief history if you like like is it "papered" in MCA, SAAC, Team Shelby. Thanks in advance for all who participate. Almost like a virtual Shelby meet.
 I'll go first. My vert I have owned since 1985. MCA concours driven gold in 2003 but like it says at the bottom "not any more" for a few reasons. I restored it myself except for outer paint(I painted the underside trunk and engine bay) and top. Drivetrain original and detailed with new seals. Interior mostly original. Gary

Up For Auction / Re: Black 1968 GT500KR on BAT
« on: September 16, 2021, 12:41:53 PM »
I'm going to take another constructive shot at this...

What should a less knowledgeable but as passionate Shelby seller or representative of a seller do specifically to understand any car they are offering to the general market beforehand

Please do not just say call someone who knows.  I tried that...

A person accepted by the best here who are willing to get paid to physically come inspect a car.   
Can they be objective about a car without disgust for previous work or choices.  There's no need for emotions and opinions, just facts that can be supported with history and knowledge.

I was willing on this previous car, and am willing in the near future to try again.  With the caveat that what is important to me is rarely as important to others.  Which applies to everyone IMHO
There is one expert who is local to me in the Detroit area who has appraised Cobras, GT40s, Shelbys through SAAC. He also appraised the 2016 LeMans winning Ford GT for Ford motor company. getting back to the KR you sold. Many who have owned or have contributed here could possibly determine why some things were like they were on your car. Rebodies: There are many panels inside the car that date codes can be read easily. The sheet metal on any car should  have date codes that coincide with the cars build and other cars built at the same time. Your car missing the hole for tilt switch should be investigated. Was that A pillar replaced because of rust/accident? The hole filled in? Why no holes in the front apron for the tilt cannister. Again, was it a replaced panel? Some of the spot welds I saw tend to make me think some aprons were replaced. Buck tag never mounted on DS and no hole on pass side for it. If a rebody why would someone use a car with bad aprons? if indeed the welds I saw point to replacement aprons(date codes on those if present?). As a person who took the basket case shell of a 68 Shelby and did an investigation to see if it was a real car I have been through that before. Oh, Yeah, the knee pad thing is interesting. Again, date coded sheet metal as easy as looking at some of the trunk inner supports could confirm if the date codes are with in the realm of the car build. hope this helps. FYI there are a "FEW" rebodied early Shelbys running around and documented by SAAC. They bring a fraction of what a non rebodied car brings. Gary
Read Scott's post above:

Alleging it's a re-body is a pretty heavy accusation on a public forum with no proof. You even directed people to this discussion on the BAT comment section below the auction. The seller posted a photo of the vin under the tag prior to restoration, and that car appears to have a long time known history in SAAC (1795 is in my 1987 registry with the owners information).  There are several date codes that can be seen in the photo's, are you saying they don't match the production date of the car? Do you know something we don't?
Why don't you reread my post. I am NOT alleging a rebody. Can you read English? I was pointing out how to spot out inconsistencies as date coded sheet metal to spot a REBODY. Yeah, I'll report your lack of understanding and accusations!

There is no lack of understanding here, your diatribe on car based on your observation and then statements on the lower value of re-bodies is called "context".   
Read his asking what to do in the red. My answers and plausible reasons. Most rebodies come from rust free cars. This car appears to have had apron work done which generally would make no sense on a rebody.  I know what I meant when I posted and was trying to help. You are trying to put word or accusations on me and that comes from your last of ability to understand when someone tells you what they were doing and you cannot comprehend that. SMH. I will type SLOWLY for you.... I am not accusing this car of being a rebody. I could only even come to  an  understanding like that by physically inspecting the car or from date codes given to me from a car. I have not seen one or done the other. SMH

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