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Looks like some parts were taken off before the insurance company adjuster showed up. If you have stated value on a car and take parts off of it before the adjuster shows up is that OK? Did the parts disappear between payout and 14 months to this point.  Asking for a friend.  Too bad the parts are gone. Car doesn't run without the Shelby console in there unless rewired but don't think it will start anyways...

Quote from: Bill on January 22, 2024, 09:52:29 PM

Quote from: CompetitionSvo on January 22, 2024, 07:44:17 PM
Hi all

this is my car, the CEO1 as I call it.  Built on a real 93 Cobra black/black car.  No detail was left out, from the emission decal, door jamb alteration label to the ID plates. 

I have done a couple SAAC "clones" previously, most notably the red MKII convertible I called 022.

I was lucky to have lived in Dearborn. Most of my life, was around these things came out originally. Huge fan from the beginning... I am the administrator of the "SAAC Mustangs" Facebook group. 

I couldn't have reached the level of detail without the help of Dave Eber, he was instrumental in getting this car correct.  according to Dave, they had planned on building one Cobra enhancement option vehicle, but the customer was in California and they were not able to secure a cobra with the California emission option, so the car was never built.

As long as it is labeled as a clone, and shown as a clone, I have no issues with it. If there is nothing on the car showing it as a clone, and you are leaving it up to the interpretation of the person looking at it, then I consider that in very poor taste. Just like someone stripping all of the power options out of a none sunroof 86 SVO and calling it a 86 comp car, when in fact, it is not. But that is just me, a cobra replica owner who always tells people what it is.


Bill

My good friend Mark Haas had a lot of SVOs at one time including comp prep cars. He owned at the same time both of the MAC tools race cars(one raced the other one never did as the back up). IIRC I drove one of his comp prep cars to a local cruise/car show. roll up windows. Stripped of many things. Mark was the "go-to" guy for SVO parts and had a huge NOS collection of parts and I'm pretty sure that is what he traded for a brand new very long enclosed trailer(took a LONG time to get it built thanks to Covid). They said only in white and that  has always been his color of choice. We even delivered a comp prep car to a guy in STL back in 2009.

Quote from: 427hunter on January 20, 2024, 12:07:10 PM

Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 20, 2024, 07:50:47 AM

Quote from: 427hunter on January 19, 2024, 09:43:00 PM
The car in question was built 7 week before the distributor and there was not a 4 barrel 351 Windsor in 1970 to require an emissions related distributor swap at A.O. Smith. Unless every other 70 gt350 had a after build date distributor, Someone changed it out at some point. Now if this was a BAT auction the
" shelbymann1970 " would be screeching "incorrect part - incorrect part", but here there is a discussion to determine what the facts are.

Hey if you still haven't noticed in your anger ands quickness to attack me  I STARTED this topic. You are trying to frame me as someone I am not ,hence, you are an asshole plain and simple and a negative to our hobby as in whast have you ever contributed to this forum other than biased opinions and attacks. I don't know what your issues are and you definitely have issues others have pointed out to me privately. I started a few topics in regards to the history of 1970s and correct parts-which You do not own- and distributors as much focus has always been on the GT500s and not the GT350s and not much has been researched on distributors and the vacuum schematics and vacuum advances on these cars as not a lot converted. So since you know nothing on this topic you should just go away as you add ZERO value to this subject. Again 

Your life appears to be a great success, ha ha ha - you are a legend in your own mind.

still being an asshat I see. Grow up and calm down. You get off on harassing people. What a little man you are. Really sad. Heck you don't even have my handle right on BaT when you quoted earlier. You appear to be a guy who does zero research and has a lot of biases. I really do pity you. When you lash out you have a problem and with someone you never met or conversed directly to? It shows you lack of character.

I threw this up on a couple of related Facebook groups to help warn others.

Quote from: 427hunter on January 19, 2024, 09:43:00 PM
The car in question was built 7 week before the distributor and there was not a 4 barrel 351 Windsor in 1970 to require an emissions related distributor swap at A.O. Smith. Unless every other 70 gt350 had a after build date distributor, Someone changed it out at some point. Now if this was a BAT auction the
" shelbymann1970 " would be screeching "incorrect part - incorrect part", but here there is a discussion to determine what the facts are.

Hey if you still haven't noticed in your anger ands quickness to attack me  I STARTED this topic. You are trying to frame me as someone I am not ,hence, you are an asshole plain and simple and a negative to our hobby as in whast have you ever contributed to this forum other than biased opinions and attacks. I don't know what your issues are and you definitely have issues others have pointed out to me privately. I started a few topics in regards to the history of 1970s and correct parts-which You do not own- and distributors as much focus has always been on the GT500s and not the GT350s and not much has been researched on distributors and the vacuum schematics and vacuum advances on these cars as not a lot converted. So since you know nothing on this topic you should just go away as you add ZERO value to this subject. Again 

Quote from: 427hunter on January 19, 2024, 01:38:32 PM

Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 19, 2024, 12:40:01 PM
I guess getting back to the original point of this is that did Ford build out Shelbys knowing they would be converted to 70 models? 4 speed  GT350 distributors are dated June of 1969 so well before the end of the last Shelby being produced. With ford having designs going for a 71 Shelby and AO Smith cancelling their contract after 1969 did Ford decide to keep building 69 Shelbys under the contract with AO Smith knowing these built cars would eventually be 1970 models? I know Claude wanted a bunch for his dealership in Belgium and ordered a bunch of 70s but other than that what was Ford's direction in all of this? I don't think this topic has ever been discussed in length and too many people say all 1970s were leftover 69s that Ford couldn't sell so they decided to convert to 1970 models. Time frame from distributors being made, Ford testing to come up with the ED distributors, Claude ordering 70 Shelby all point to me that Ford possibly in the spring decided to build out some Shelbys for 1970 after losing the AO Smith contract at the end of 1969 production. Thoughts?
Also on my 1969 1970 Shelby Mustang Facebook page I started a topic on 70 GT350 distributors  since we have some 70 owners on the page to find out  to what is on people's cars.

Kind of ironic that if this ascertain was being made on bring a trailer, you would be attacking the seller for trying to explain something that's not correct.

Oh,  you can't help being an incorrect ASSHOLE.  ZERO VALUE added. Go away.

I guess getting back to the original point of this is that did Ford build out Shelbys knowing they would be converted to 70 models? 4 speed  GT350 distributors are dated June of 1969 so well before the end of the last Shelby being produced. With ford having designs going for a 71 Shelby and AO Smith cancelling their contract after 1969 did Ford decide to keep building 69 Shelbys under the contract with AO Smith knowing these built cars would eventually be 1970 models? I know Claude wanted a bunch for his dealership in Belgium and ordered a bunch of 70s but other than that what was Ford's direction in all of this? I don't think this topic has ever been discussed in length and too many people say all 1970s were leftover 69s that Ford couldn't sell so they decided to convert to 1970 models. Time frame from distributors being made, Ford testing to come up with the ED distributors, Claude ordering 70 Shelby all point to me that Ford possibly in the spring decided to build out some Shelbys for 1970 after losing the AO Smith contract at the end of 1969 production. Thoughts?
Also on my 1969 1970 Shelby Mustang Facebook page I started a topic on 70 GT350 distributors  since we have some 70 owners on the page to find out  to what is on people's cars.

Quote from: Special Ed on January 19, 2024, 11:24:55 AM
Just checked my notes and 0f03R480909 is the oldest 70 shelby serial # and it was used as a shelby company car and probly built in jan 69 at dearborn plant. So this car maybe the oldest early serial # 70 shelby BUT not the first 69 shelby converted over to a 70 at KK plant. I wonder if THE  VINMAN knows the number of the first  or last 70 shelby finished at KK plant as that would be interesting to know.

Could this pic lend a hint as to what model as in it could have been one of these cars? Larry took this pic either March or April 1969. Average weather with the melting from my years  living in this area would be late March early April by looking at the pic.

Quote from: Shelbypat on January 19, 2024, 09:39:28 AM
I don't know why it load upside down

Patrick

It matches what is on my Dist but the difference is Shelby dist are stamped ED for some reason and I suspect they are NOT the same how it is set up in the guts to a 70 351W 2V which is a different engine and carb.

Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 18, 2024, 04:42:21 PM
Gary is the engineering number on your distributor a D0 number and you are thinking that since it has a June date it would have been used in your engine instead of a modified C9 marked version like is more typical?

yes. Read my OP and reply #1 by Pete.  See my blown up pic below.  https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=20222.0

Quote from: Special Ed on January 18, 2024, 02:21:24 PM
Your distributor was removed at kk plant and upgraded to 1970 specs and stamped ED  in front of id # EDited like all 70 shelbys were at kk plant. I have the 70 KK papers that said what  had to be changed out at kk plant to meet new 1970 specs.  gt350s had changes made on distributors while the gt500s had there distributors changed out to dozf # with no ED stamped like he 351w cars did. We had a 70 gt350 here years ago that had the same ED stamped in it like your 70 distributor.

Yes. I'm not sure if I'm reading your post right. The date code on my dist  is stamped June 24 1969. My point is that is when the dist was made/stamped. Was my dist used on any other 1970 Ford engine? My original one would have a C**** part number on it when my engine was assembled possibly April 1969. So to me the dist were changed out and not modified at KK if built months earlier. So were the mods done on the date of June 24th or at KK. Seems to me Ford would batch do the dists and have them ready to drop in the car at KK. Car was changed over in Oct according to stamped docs I have.

I was looking at the date on my dist in my 351. It is dated 9F24. June 24. So my assumption based on AO Smith terminating their contract after the 69 model year was that Ford built out 69 Shelbys knowing many would become 70s. The myth being Ford had so many left after production they decided to turn them into 70s. The dist date code means Ford already did their emissions well before that date and started producing 351 distributors for the 1970 model year Shelby. Thoughts?

Quote from: FL SAAC on January 10, 2024, 09:19:35 AM
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Is that is what's left of your vert after the fire ? Restoring it?

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Quote from: Wedgeman on January 17, 2024, 11:38:43 AM
   I learned a few years ago to sit in a place where  the TV & a Computer are side by side while watching the auctions. The computer doesn't give you the coverage TV does, at least you get to see the cars you wanted to....

+1

You can also stream the live broadcast on your computer while looking at upcoming lots on a separate tab (while at work  ).

Hey, I resemble that remark 

Quote from: JWH on January 16, 2024, 05:32:37 PM

Quote from: 68krrrr on January 16, 2024, 01:16:39 PM
The Northwest Shelby collection didn't seem to make the broadcast at least not in my area ,they ended  right as they were coming up the staging area's,they showed the yellow kR with the hood up & it had a GT500 air cleaner set up  & a painted black taillight panel.

Same here. Disappointing to not see the collection go across. I was looking forward to seeing these cross the block. Kinda weird broadcast hours as I don't think they were on the air for Saturday night's action.

Did they stop the live coverage at 5? IIRC that is what they did when I was at the spring Indy auction. I had a friend who is also a member here who had a bunch of cars that missed the TV part due to the auction running late on that Friday the 19th. https://www.mecum.com/auctions/indianapolis-2023/collections/the-waterford-collection/    Barrett Jackson because of the time zone may be why we see the live portion running later out west than we see of Eastern time zone auctions.