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Messages - PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy

#61
Excellent analysis-


Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 04, 2021, 11:09:54 PM
A couple other deal killers we haven't gone into deeply yet were the EPA and insurance costs. Early emissions requirements were tough for manufacturers to meet. Look at the low HP from the 70s all the way into the 90s. Insurance costs were always based on risk vs cost. Performance cars cost more to insure. A 69 GT500 cost more to insure due to initial price than a 69 Coupe with the same drivetrain. A buyer just looking for performance would get the cheaper to buy/insure Coupe or Sportroof. In 1969 I bought a new Road Runner. I opted for the 3 speed stick because to insure me as a 19 year old with a 4 speed was 3 times the price.
CS always had the public story he killed it himself due to the emissions requirements. Long before that Ford had already decided to pull the plug. The Duece had made his point to Enzo in 66-67. The Shelby's were not race cars getting free ink and drawing customers to the showroom floor. The races getting all the ink was TransAm and Ford/Chevy had decided to pull their dollars out of that so there was no need to renew CSs race team or personal services contract. I heard a price tag of $25 million is what Ford spent on racing from the start of the GT40 program until LeMans in 67. Yeah HFII ran the place but he had a board of directors to justify that kind of money to and spending $3-4 dollars profit from each car would no longer fly on the balance sheet. CS also hadn't had many race wins since the 67 TA championship. TA crowds were down and NASCAR was still drawing 5-10 times the number of people to a race than TA ever did.
#62
Quote from: Don Johnston on August 03, 2021, 10:27:20 AM
Not be rude, but would a 1970 be considered a 1969 "carryover"?  Never heard it refered to that way.

Excellent observation...51 years & the thought never occurred to me.... That's Mensa-level stuff you got there...
#63
IMO, Ford wanting (taking) control from Shelby American.  Carroll getting pissed, telling Ford to get lost & going an entirely different direction (Africa, Reno - motel & dealership, etc.). May not be 100% accurate, but generally from the dozen or so books I have read over the years...
#64
Quote from: CharlesTurner on August 03, 2021, 12:33:45 AM
Quote from: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on August 02, 2021, 11:27:13 PM
I just feel bad about all the dads that can't do this hobby with their kids because the market is stratospheric.

Not intending to derail the conversation here, but that is a bit of a strange comment.  I have 2 sons and the most important thing is spending time together, it doesn't really matter what kind of car it is.  There are 100's of others out there that can fulfill that requirement.  And if we are being perfectly honest, a well executed clone can come extremely close, if not exactly duplicate the ride/feel of a 60's Shelby, the only thing missing is that tag in the engine bay.

Charles, you are right... In the late 90's I dropped over 60K on a super accurate 66 carry over replica.  It ran & drove very well.  Would like to have that one back.  It may seem a strange comment, but as a dad in the 90's I was able to pull it all off.  I am not sure there are many average Joe dads nowadays who could hack an original 60's Shelby.  Same for the Boss cars, Tigers, Panera's, late 60's Z28's, Original Trans Am's, much less the MOPAR 440 or Hemi cars.  I see a lot of nice older stuff on Bring a Trailer, but having something you can actually buy for 5-15K on would leave a lot to be desired IMO anyways.  Just does not have the same impact...  Maybe a K-car?  It's just gotten expensive for a guy making 40K trying top raise a couple of kids and support a wife.  Am I missing something?
#65
Can't wait to see this thread take off

In my opinion the 69/70s are relevant because it's the end of that generation production - end of an era if you will.   

The 70s have a unique status all their own.  As with any automobile that matures over time they're better GT cars than they are true sports cars; the handling and ride is very good the air-conditioning worked well, the big block cars in the summer in Texas made you feel like you needed asbestos jeans. However the small block is easy to work on, looks good was very reliable.

One of my friends owned about 20 different Shelby's in the 70s, his advice to me was go get a 67 GT 350 four-speed it'll be the best running driving car for what you want. He was right.  I'd really like to have a white, red interior 70 model small block with AC and automatic. I think that would be a tremendous car at 60 for me right now.

I'm sure I'm forgetting many details here. Can't wait to see what others have to comment on. I know having a 428 Cobra Jet Mustang as a kid in the mid 70s, what really frustrated me was the glued in windows.  Who it for that that was a good idea? It probably saved a nickel a car.
#66
Quote from: mgreene on August 02, 2021, 09:12:30 AM
Written several years ago, but still kind of relevant:

http://gt350h.com/documents/grail1.html

Great story. I could write a similar one about a search for my 67 GT350 that started in 1976, and finally found one in the mid 90s. Originally when I was looking the price was ~$2,500.00 for a decent car. But, when I bought mine I paid ~$25,000.00. Frustrating to have to pay that much for a nice car and I understand your feelings and concerns - share them as well.  I'm all for making a buck or two on a car, God knows I've lost my fair share on cars as well.  My dad used to call them "upside down gold mines". I can assure you I've lost more on car deals than I've ever made. But I've had the memories and experiences to boot. I just feel bad about all the dads that can't do this hobby with their kids because the market is stratospheric. Hell, even Yugo prices are high now...
#67
Quote from: 1331 on August 02, 2021, 11:11:18 AM
Reality check
1967 vs 2020 GT500
My 67 ran 14.5
His 20 ran 10.0

Super fun!!

But looks to me like you got the jump on him. Certainly a better hole shot.
#68
The Board Room / Re: Scammed by a sac member
July 28, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
Totally good with a 1-time modest donation. Would be a good check and balance in my opinion. Hell, I'd pay retro!  There is a hellofalotta value to be had here in my opinion.
#69
The Board Room / Re: Scammed by a sac member
July 27, 2021, 10:48:35 PM
On one hand it's nice they let anybody join the forum that isn't necessarily a paying SAAC member. However maybe a simple five question test on the topic of Shelbys would make sense...only truly knowledgeable folks would be able to pass.  What color were 65 Shelby GT 350s? Blue, yellow, red or white.  Where were 65 through 67 Shelbys manufactured? California, Texas, Florida, or New Jersey?  Who was Carroll Shelby's tire sponsor? BF good rich, Cooper, Goodyear or Uniroyal.  What cubic inch motor was in the 65 and 66 Shelbys? 289, 302, 351 or 428.  A Kuisle on these kind of lines should we doubt most of the scammers I would think..or force them to do a little research.
#70
Up For Auction / Re: Here's a 65 project car....
July 26, 2021, 06:52:33 PM
Mr. P T. Barnum is still right...
#71
Quote from: trotrof1 on July 24, 2021, 08:35:25 AM
Well you just need to hire Mel Blanc to make cobra sounds while you drive.

Well, they appear to have already done it for Ferrari...  Enjoy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjqhmhObCMo
#72
Up For Auction / Re: Anyone know this 70'?
July 24, 2021, 12:13:20 PM
The upper one is reported to have Bondo in the shock towers and one other issue - butt-welded in (over-lapping) floor pans.   It also doesn’t have factory AC, and in Texas that’s a must. That’s why eventually I let my 67 go….
#73
Up For Auction / Re: Anyone know this 70'?
July 24, 2021, 11:00:14 AM
Right I found that as well yesterday, that's why I just posted the VIN. Since it wasn't up for sale.
#74
Up For Auction / Re: Anyone know this 70'?
July 24, 2021, 12:00:48 AM
Only a link for the top car on Hemmings or at the dealer site. No link for the other car. Just the VIN.

https://www.classicautomall.com/vehicles/2503/1970-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350
#75
That's funny...