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Does anyone have archival access or higher resolution versions of these pictures with FE engine paper labels?

D, maybe.  Initial engine timing info, hard to see.

Since the metal tags for 2490 2940 and 1847 (representing "late" and "mid") have been posted to this thread, I will add a couple "early" cars.

67400F7A00245    12/12/1966 SJ    404 A01
67410F4A00329    12/21/1966 SJ    405 A01

Quote from: J_Speegle on February 02, 2021, 01:12:13 AM




I think that the confusion here is that the add/delete sheets are basically a paper exercise to assemble the cars as they wanted them built with the least issues and parts changed.


Like other things on the list parts were not assembled and replaced on the car but just paper. Don't believe these 404 and 405 engines assembles had parts removed and other ones installed. Just allot of work when they could assemble the final engine as planned. Because of this I don't believe these two engine identifications were ever assigned to real engines destined to become 428's installed in Shelby's or that the finished GT500 engines every were identified as 404 or 405 since they were different from the regular 428PI's

J_Speegle,

  I do not consider the DSO/SVO/add-delete sheets as a "paper exercise".  They are the equivalent of an Engineering Change Order (ECO) or Engineering Change Notice (ECN) and are a necessary and sufficient document to initiate a deviation from standard process on the assembly line.

The process was started by entering into the Ford build system S into the engine code in the Vehicle Order Image when initiating the order for the vehicles that would become the GT 500.  The Marti reports show that what would become the GT 500 was entered into the build process as a 390 Mustang.

In the case of DSO 84-2566 of which #1183 is one of those 32 units, the delete (implying do not install) is E 319 A, the emissions version of the 390 engine for automatic transmissions.

As stated in previously, constructive discussion and evidence either in support of or against this narrative is welcomed.

Quote from: J_Speegle on February 02, 2021, 04:45:14 AM

Quote from: 67_1183 on February 02, 2021, 03:50:37 AM
J_Speegle, 
  The partial DSO page you posted I recognize as page 6 of DSO 89-2609 for 121 units of 67410 Shelby VIN cars.  I have pictures of the metal engine tags of two of those vehicles.  VINs 2800 and 2940.  Both are 405 A01.

Love to see them as well as other examples.

Since the engine tag for 2940 is still posted on the VCM blog, let's start there so you can assess the originality.

http://blog.virginiaclassicmustang.com/2015/03/just-details1967-shelby-mustang-gt500_6.html

Thank you for the responses.

Being a glutton for punishment, I will play along.

J_Speegle, 
  The partial DSO page you posted I recognize as page 6 of DSO 89-2609 for 121 units of 67410 Shelby VIN cars.  I have pictures of the metal engine tags of two of those vehicles.  VINs 2800 and 2940.  Both are 405 A01.

I would like to offer a different narrative for consideration by those interested.

The base numerical engine id for the 428 engines used in the production 1967 GT 500s is 404 and 405.  This is the same numerical id as the 66-67 428 Police motors and this is the link to the Police Interceptor name.  To distinguish between 428 engines using the same numerical id but some different components, the GT 500 engines have the suffix A01 added.  Thermactor engines require different cylinder heads to accommodate the air injection system, those engines are identified by adding the prefix E (Emissions).

  404 A01 for manual transmission, no EECS.
E 404 A01 for manual transmission, with EECS.

  405 A01 for automatic transmission, no EECS.
E 405 A01 for automatic transmission, with EECS.

EECS = Engine Emission Control System, aka Thermactor.

Air conditioning systems require no change to the base engine configuration.  They are an accessory item the same as alternators or power steering pumps in that the brackets, bolts, pulleys and belts require no change to the engine id or tag.

The DSO/SVO/add-delete sheets, whatever your favorite name is for the multi-page documents that the assembly line used to start the process of converting the Mustang into a Shelby GT 500 confirm these alphanumeric designations as do the metal engine tags.

These were Ford built engines installed on a Ford assembly line and the metal and paper tags were used by the assembly line personnel (including QC) to ensure the correct engine/transmission assemblies were installed in the chassis.

I have some copies of the add-delete sheets and pictures of metal engine id tags to confirm most of this narrative. I have only one piece of corroborating evidence for the claim about the A/C systems.

I have previously posted to this forum a picture of the metal engine id tag of my car 67412F2A01183 and it is most definitely E 405 A01 with a date code of 6M (December 1966) for a January 26, 1967 SJ completion date.


Constructive discussion and evidence either in support of or against this narrative is welcomed.

Here is a picture of the marker light from the July 2013 eBay listing.

early / late 67 thing.

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=23705.0

Between "7R186958 and 7R189290."  I did not check if that is beyond 67 Shelby production.

The diff housing on 1183 has the marking "DSO".

I think I have heard previously that this is a low frequency of occurrence, maybe one per pallet of housings?

Arrived in southern Oregon today.

Quote from: honker on November 05, 2020, 09:48:25 AM
Is this the '67 you're thinking about ? any idea on the #

Mike

https://www.streetmusclemag.com/features/confessions-of-a-cannonballer/

67400F8A01541

A long time friend of mine sent me these pictures this morning of C&C in ABQ this  morning, but didn't note VIN.

Looking at the pics it seems to be a vintage 67 GT500.

The horn mounts and holes in the radiator support suggest this was originally an outboard light car.

If the owner is a forum member, please tell us about it!

Supplied in a post by forum member rbarkley.

From 67410F2A02940 per VCM and Maple Hill photos.

PGB R, H servo and aluminum tail shaft.

Edit: Looking at the tag photo there is a 1 under the grease by the bolt.  PGB R 1