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Quote from: CharlesTurner on December 22, 2023, 09:07:01 PM

Quote from: shelbydoug on December 22, 2023, 07:06:28 AM
Ford used Acrylic Enamel. I'm not even sure if that is still available anywhere? The most commonly used now that I see is two step, base/clear coat.

Easily available, just bought some a month or so back here in N. Carolina, Dupont Nason brand, single stage.

FYI, Dupont automotive finishishs has been branded Axalta since 2014

Yes C6 trans. If you look closely the vacuum hose for the modulator is visible back by the RR of the carb

Quote from: shelbydoug on December 19, 2023, 11:27:56 AM
Thanks Steve. That's what I thought that I remembered but wasn't sure because I didn't document it.

Ironic. One thing leads to another. Now I see that my staples are in the crease. Not in your location.

I'm not gonna' ask about that. That will really piss off Gaines and it could be the last straw and they might need to take him away in a straight jacket? You never know who's right on the edge?

...oh no! I just noticed that my gasket is about 1-1/2" shorter then yours. That's it. I ain't sayin' nuthin' no more.

Just a note to all. The hood seal in the photos has been replaced, as it is a repo. Not saying anything is wrong just saying it's not original.

I had this car in my shop maybe 8-10 years ago for some work. It was black then, looked like it was blue at one time also. It had been in AK at one time. I believe someone that was/is on this Fourm from CA owned it at one time also.

Bid is listed now at $100K

Yes. GM and I believe some Chrysler window and inside door handle retaining clip removal tool.

Pete posted photo of location while I was replying.

Quote from: Coralsnake on December 07, 2023, 06:00:49 PM
The derivative VIN should be on a pad behind the carburetor facing upward

To clarify what Pete means, I think, It would be on the pad on top of the block just rearward of the rear edge of the intake manifold.

I have a 68 Metuchen built 289 C code Mustang coupe with the same kind of Vin stamping error on the engine block ( prefix wrong, numbers match. ). S!*h happens.

Got mine today. NE OH

And to add to that it should also be present at the front fender extensions and rear quarter panel end cap seams. And about the lower scoops. Yes usually clear silicone around the perimeter, but I have seen multiple examples were the scoop appears to fit poorly to the body at the bottom were A.O. Smith used a thick black mastic sealer to fill the gap.

Rodney

Worst/most damage by far that I see is from Mice! Followed by Squirrels and Chipmunks. Most often that I see is when customers have sent their kid off to collage and the car sets for long periods of time. Kid comes home for the holidays, now car will not start, runs poorly, MIL on and or other things don't work now. Critters have moved in and set up home. Various insulation martial is their favorite nesting and chewing material.

Quote from: shelbydoug on November 06, 2023, 12:16:11 PM
Is the flattening agent solid or liquid? Do you add it by weight or volume?

Adding 15% is in relationship to what?

Doug
Flattening agent is a liquid, but needs vigorous agitation as the solids will come out of suspension fairly quick. % by volume. IE 10%= 3.2 oz of flattener per Qt of spray able paint .

Quote from: JD on November 06, 2023, 11:21:17 AM

Quote from: KR500 on November 06, 2023, 10:02:44 AM

Quote from: JD on November 04, 2023, 11:42:31 PM
Yes, had to add flattener, don't quote me going from memory but, it may have been 15% flattener we added

If Rodney Harrold reads this maybe he'll chime-in.

Sorry different Rod

This is what I have found using the PPG product in the Ford Charcoal Metallic color. Other products will produces different results! First of all unlike the exterior paint Ford used acrylic lacquer on the interior paint. Way back in the late 80's I used DuPont's acrylic lacquer for the interior. It was great. perfect color , gloss and coverage was excellent with no need of a dark color base. Fast forward to the early 2000's DuPont does not make any lacquer based paints. Search around and the only major paint manufacture offering acrylic lacquer is PPG and only maybe 3 jobbers in the country still had the tints and base to mix it. Mix and reduce as per manufacture, color was very very translucent. Many coats and still could see the base panel. Get more paint! Round 2 I applied a dark grey primer. That solved the coverage issue. Gloss was still to high though. Round 3 added some flattener ( Note this color's formula is a semi-gloss so it has flattener in it to start with). I don't recall exactly how much but probably in the 10-15% range. That got the paint spot on (it was on a 67 GT500). I don't know if PPG even offers acrylic lacquer any more. A couple of things about automotive paint, especially a semi gloss acrylic lacquer. Gloss level WILL be affected by temperature, humidity, amount of reduction,reducer speed, air pressure, fan/fluid gun settings, gun to panel distance, number of coats and flash time between coats among other things. These variables can also influence color especially with a metallic color. Speaking of metallic, most of the cars I have judged lately the metallic flake in this color has been very hard to see, way to small of a flake. Hard to tell it was even a metallic color. I have no idea of what product was used. One major reason that paint from the past had excellent coverage vs modern paint is they used lead based tints, same reason modern BC/CC paint formulas of the same color don't look like they did back in the day. High quality painting is not easy!
Rodney Harrold

That's it - thanks Rod!
(probably the most you've typed in a year

Back to the interior paint, here is the paint used for the third round from above...

JD
Yes by a long shot. Got to go, fingers are tired and your Beemer is done.

Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 06, 2023, 10:35:30 AM

Quote from: KR500 on November 06, 2023, 10:02:44 AM

Quote from: JD on November 04, 2023, 11:42:31 PM
Yes, had to add flattener, don't quote me going from memory but, it may have been 15% flattener we added

If Rodney Harrold reads this maybe he'll chime-in.

Sorry differnt Rod

This is what I have found using the PPG product in the Ford Charcoal Metallic color. Other products will produces different results! First of all unlike the exterior paint Ford used acrylic lacquer on the interior paint. Way back in the late 80's I used DuPont's acrylic lacquer for the interior. It was great. perfect color , gloss and coverage was excellent with no need of a dark color base. Fast forward to the early 2000's DuPont does not make any lacquer based paints. Search around and the only major paint manufacture offering acrylic lacquer is PPG and only maybe 3 jobbers in the country still had the tints and base to mix it. Mix and reduce as per manufacture, color was very very translucent. Many coats and still could see the base panel. Get more paint! Round 2 I applied a dark grey primer. That solved the coverage issue. Gloss was still to high though. Round 3 added some flattener ( Note this color's formula is a semi-gloss so it has flattener in it to start with). I don't recall exactly how much but probably in the 10-15% range. That got the paint spot on (it was on a 67 GT500). I don't know if PPG even offers acrylic lacquer any more. A couple of things about automotive paint, especially a semi gloss acrylic lacquer. Gloss level WILL be affected by temperature, humidity, amount of reduction,reducer speed, air pressure, fan/fluid gun settings, gun to panel distance, number of coats and flash time between coats among other things. These variables can also influence color especially with a metallic color. Speaking of metallic, most of the cars I have judged lately the metallic flake in this color has been very hard to see, way to small of a flake. Hard to tell it was even a metallic color. I have no idea of what product was used. One major reason that paint from the past had excellent coverage vs modern paint is they used lead based tints, same reason modern BC/CC paint formulas of the same color don't look like they did back in the day. High quality painting is not easy!
Rodney Harrold

Everything you said is spot on. So with that being said you could then say back in the 60s when this was being done in a production setting even controlled there would be variances on satin parts, right? Depending on the time of year doing engine compartments with rattle cans(yes, rattle cans) I have found that I must use a product that matches my environment since I don't have a 40K spray booth. Sometimes that is trial and error but I promised my wife after doing this(see pics) in my attached garage I will never do it at this scope again(PPG single stage enamel).
BTW at Kar Kraft Larry Lawrance had nothing but issues painting 69 Boss 429 hood scoops. Even the Ford paint engineer couldn't solve his problem so they switched from enamel to Lacquer and problem solved. I should have asked them was that the reason 70 hood scoops were all non gloss black. Gary

Gary
Yes! Even today there can be many slight variations of color of the same color right off the assembly line.