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I understand our resident "expert" on everything wrote something that was removed - after being sent it's content I think my suspicions are correct. To answer his question, I retired after 30 years as a policeman in So Cal and everything this guy writes sets off my B.S. meter. Just in case someone is confused - the advice given (in his post that was removed) that you can kill a person to protect property is incorrect.

I had many friends in the CHP and most were very humble hardworking guys, "the expert" matches up with my experience with police management which was much different. The ladder climbers that spend 10 minutes in the field and constantly tell their war story (because they don't have war stories  ). They have a degree from a online college, go to classes on everything to become an expert without any field application, can lie with easy, and throw everyone under the bus to obtain the next stripe, star or bar, they also need to be the center of attention; oh,  I almost forgot they are mostly Masons.....   

Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on June 03, 2020, 03:10:30 PM
I was under the impression that I could copy anything I see for my own personal use. The problem would come if I sold it or profited from their copyright/trademark/patent. I was going to add intellectual property but didn't think intellect would look right in an Eleanor thread.

Basically copyrighted materials can not be replicated legally, the intent of the person replicating the material is not a defense and will not prevent litigation.   

The bottom line to remember is you can not use deadly force to protect property - Almost every state with few exception (like Connecticut where you must retreat if possible) have laws the specify if someone breaks into a occupied dwelling that the legal inference be they are there to harm you, and you have the right to defend yourself or another. The key is protection of life vs protection of property.   

Quote from: kjspeed on June 03, 2020, 11:20:56 AM

QuoteYou must have taken crazy uncle Joe's advice.

Whoa! I didn't say anything about sniffing hair or firing two shots out of your double barrel shotgun outside (leaving you unarmed) or shooting someone in the leg. Every situation is different and there are a variety of opinions regarding self defense weapons and tactics - even among professionals. Richard (and others) are probably getting a lot out of this pharmacy discussion of firearms. I'm sure that he'll inform himself and make his choices accordingly. ~Kevin

Wait, you fail to listen to the "fountain of knowledge" at your own risk! He will say it "short and sweet" in a full page post. 

The car he was building could not have been seized over copyright violations without litigation and a court order. If you noticed he said the car is "now the property of" so he sold it to them and they are going to build another tribute to one of the worst films ever made.

Ferrari recently stopped a company building fake 250 GTO's - It just goes to show you that the market for fake clothing, watches, jewelry, and cars is very strong. People need attention I guess and fake luxury items are there ticket to prominence. 

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Quote from: camp upshur on April 25, 2020, 05:08:18 PM
George through Kieth:
Just cannot thank you both enough for George sharing and Kieth for bringing to us this absolutely essential SAI history. The former (now lost) thread was IMO the biggest singular treasure lost. To whatever degree any parts of it can be reconstituted, and saved, is of incalculable value to our hobby for us and those who follow.
We are almost down to sole-source contacts for this type of original or near-original attributable information.


Steve A

Steve A,

Thanks for the kind words, it's very nice to know that it meant so much to others too. Speaking for myself, the loss of the George Watters Collection had quite an impact on me. I really felt back then that all the time and effort we put into it was worth it because it would be there for posterity, you know? I saw it as our contribution to Shelby American history that could always be accessed by future generations. Yes, I realize now how naive that was. It's what I call a harsh 'life lesson.'

Thank goodness I still have all the scanned photographs, but George's words and the comments and reactions of the members are all lost. And those were as much a part of the story as the photos themselves. I got jaded by the loss of Forum 1.0 - you know, the old "burn me once" thing. Once enough time had passed though, I noticed that I would still get a spark of enthusiasm now and then, but I felt I had to rein it in. It's not like I'm not sitting around pouting or anything - things happen, I get it. But I also don't find myself wanting to plunge in headfirst again on another full time effort like that either.

As you can see by our recent HPM1 post though, the excitement of a new discovery or revelation can still pull me right back into posting mode. But I keep at arms length to avoid another colossal disappointment like the last time.

Thanks for letting me vent. And again, much appreciation from George and I for all of your appreciative comments over the years. It's something we all got to experience together here, and that was very cool. One thing that always keeps me excited though, is the proof from past experience knowledge that we are all going to see something new this year that we have never seen before. That has happened time and time again. We've "seen it all" right? And then that French video of LAX falls out of the sky! THAT's what keeps the fire lit for me.

I want to add here too, that despite the sad demise of 1.0, the SAAC Forum in and of itself is an incredible mechanism for sharing. I have learned so much from it that it is invaluable to me. And truth be told, I have acquired some of the closest friends I have thru it. That's an amazing thing to me, and proof of its value right there.

Thanks again,
Kieth

PS - Oh, and Steve A, a VERY cool story about your 5S339, it's original owner and HPM 1. Thanks for sharing it. How would we all have ever learned that except thru this Forum?

Love the history and photographs - Thank you!

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Quote from: Corey Bowcutt on June 01, 2020, 04:42:02 PM
That is a whole lot of Pesos!

From The Three amigos?

That is the infamous El-gt500'o -  it's more then famous.....

Quote from: EdwardGT350 on June 01, 2020, 11:37:03 PM
same shuttering occurred before the new clutch. i thought the new clutch would solve problem.
now we think its either the flywheel or oil from a rear main seal that got onto new clutch.
advised to slip the clutch or start in 2nd gear to hopefully burn off the dried oil.
shuttering ONLY happens when starting in first gear, especially on an incline.

You always have to resurface the flywheel when you change the clutch, oil will not burn off - it's the clutch and flywheel not the motor mounts.

Quote from: EdwardGT350 on May 28, 2020, 07:05:04 PM
how can one determine if a motor mount is cracked or bad?
what are the signs?
will engine vibrate excessively?
how hard is it to change them?
which brand is a good quality?
are the hipo ones more robust?
im getting severe shuttering under load from a stand still and its particularly bad on an incline.
tia

Are you sure it's not clutch chatter?

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Quote from: The Going Thing on May 28, 2020, 12:29:55 AM
Doug, I guess the 1.76 exhaust valve was justified with the new engine so the Hookers breath correctly. <snicker>  I had never heard that correlation between primary tube and exhaust valve size before.  I can't find the flow sheet from the my Edelbrocks that Keith Black ported, but I think the flow on the exhaust side was in the 220 CFM range. 
There was a trade off Vs. the C6AE-R heads I had on the 428. Even with bowl clean up, unshrouding  and the 2.09 1.65 CJ valve the heads had more port velocity on the lower end of the RPM range. 
The ported Edelbrock heads seem to run in the 3200-6000 rpm range so it moved the torque band. In some respects it keeps one from smoking the tires every time you accelerate too hard in the first two gears.

Wow, you must have had a very close relationship with Keith Black to get him to port aluminum Edelbrock FE heads, tell us about how you managed to get that done?

Keith? I thought he said Clint? Sorry, my hearing isn't what it used to be. What? Did you say something? Open side pipes, you know?

It's just short of impossible to get Keith Black to port FE Edelbrock aluminum heads, especially since he was dead before the heads were ever made. Just digging the guy up, and bringing him back to life must have been a ton of work, then to be able to convince him to port heads - WOW !

You really are an idiot. Keith Black Racing Engines did the porting work. Keith Black has been dead for the better part of 30 years. However, the business was ran by his son for some time.  You can return to your regularly scheduled wife and dog beatings while attempting to make your miserable existence tolerable with daily over-indulgences in alcohol.

I'll give Ken a call and ask him about your port work, the old man used to say an FE was only good for a boat anchor. When did you have the port work done? I can get you a copy of the flow sheet, they keep all those records.

Quote from: The Going Thing on May 28, 2020, 10:24:11 PM
Why don't you really become exclusive. We'll start the SAAC Gestapo division to inspect  all cars. If the powers that be don't approve of use of plating or finish on engine or components they declare the "pimp mobile" statute and remove said individuals and ban their participation.
Is that where we're going?  This tread started because of the arrogance shown him because he didn't want to do a half-assed job building his dream replicas. He was actually called stupid. How long do you think this forum and vendors will survive with this kind of disposition?
You better start thinking about the survival of our hobby. Most of you are gray ghost and clearly aren't forward thinking.
Just a little food for thought..

You trash 68-70 models in your comments and refer to "the market" constantly, yet when I pointed out that your pimpmobile is not considered part of the "market",  and that the "market" is for concourse cars with a good history, you get upset.

As I said before I personally do not like clones, I would rather have a real (fill in the blank) then a fake Shelby. But that's me I don't hassle people for fakes, but the idea of collecting original correct parts for a fake makes zero sense.

BTW let me know DEVGRU declassifies the release of your 700hp, Keith Black ported "bling bling" machines VIN. 

Quote from: shelbydoug on May 28, 2020, 10:39:33 AM

Quote from: 427hunter on May 28, 2020, 10:16:27 AM

Quote from: The Going Thing on May 28, 2020, 12:29:55 AM
Doug, I guess the 1.76 exhaust valve was justified with the new engine so the Hookers breath correctly. <snicker>  I had never heard that correlation between primary tube and exhaust valve size before.  I can't find the flow sheet from the my Edelbrocks that Keith Black ported, but I think the flow on the exhaust side was in the 220 CFM range. 
There was a trade off Vs. the C6AE-R heads I had on the 428. Even with bowl clean up, unshrouding  and the 2.09 1.65 CJ valve the heads had more port velocity on the lower end of the RPM range. 
The ported Edelbrock heads seem to run in the 3200-6000 rpm range so it moved the torque band. In some respects it keeps one from smoking the tires every time you accelerate too hard in the first two gears.

Wow, you must have had a very close relationship with Keith Black to get him to port aluminum Edelbrock FE heads, tell us about how you managed to get that done?

Keith? I thought he said Clint? Sorry, my hearing isn't what it used to be. What? Did you say something? Open side pipes, you know?

It's just short of impossible to get Keith Black to port FE Edelbrock aluminum heads, especially since he was dead before the heads were ever made. Just digging the guy up, and bringing him back to life must have been a ton of work, then to be able to convince him to port heads - WOW ! 

Quote from: The Going Thing on May 28, 2020, 12:29:55 AM
Doug, I guess the 1.76 exhaust valve was justified with the new engine so the Hookers breath correctly. <snicker>  I had never heard that correlation between primary tube and exhaust valve size before.  I can't find the flow sheet from the my Edelbrocks that Keith Black ported, but I think the flow on the exhaust side was in the 220 CFM range. 
There was a trade off Vs. the C6AE-R heads I had on the 428. Even with bowl clean up, unshrouding  and the 2.09 1.65 CJ valve the heads had more port velocity on the lower end of the RPM range. 
The ported Edelbrock heads seem to run in the 3200-6000 rpm range so it moved the torque band. In some respects it keeps one from smoking the tires every time you accelerate too hard in the first two gears.

Wow, you must have had a very close relationship with Keith Black to get him to port aluminum Edelbrock FE heads, tell us about how you managed to get that done?

Cool! Nothing quite like a 66!

Just for my 68-70 hating friend with the pimped out 700HP real Shelby with a top secret number 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNdBLBleO90

Lighten up Frances