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More pictures of the '65 Shelby running LeMans in '67.Still can't figure out which ones were shot during the race. Seems like the white chin spoilers are smaller in some pictures than in others
Any opinions appreciated? (Painting done but I can go back and paint in the spoilers once sure it wore them during the race)

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The car pictures didn't load...except for this

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Found more pictures of '65 R model at LeMans in '67 and
came to more conclusions (what's your opinion?)


-front separate chin spoilers were only used in  practice in April
--the metal tube running across the front bottom (for jacking up car) did not have the soup can-sized object on the passenger side all the time, maybe not during the race
-the bonnet/hood had the hinges and springs to lift it a la American style so still leaves a mystery was the second set of pieces of metal (halfway between windscreen and nose) are
-rear window trim was black and not chrome or is that black racer tape?
-who dat bozo in the pits huggin' every girl wot walks by?

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Dual wiper arms were used on the GT40 as this Superformance mk.II shows
The original use was on airliners. at least one Shelby man (Ritchie Ginther early on) came from the aircraft factories. I never noticed them on mass produced GT-350s
but an ad on ebay claims they were avaiabje. here's the ad copy:
BRANDA PERFORMANCE INC.
SHELBY & MUSTANG PARTS
*** PRESENTS ***

1964 1/2 - 1966 MUSTANG
(FITS ALL MODELS & ALL BODIES)
&
1965 - 1966 SHELBY GT350
ORIGINAL / USED
TRICO WINDSHIELD WIPER ARMS
1-PAIR

2 NICE ORIGINAL / USED & USABLE FORD / TRICO
WIPER ARMS: 64 1/2-66 MUSTANG & 65-66 SHELBY
TRICO WINDSHIELD WIPER ARMS

MADE by TRICO for FORD MO.

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THE SECOND PICTURE , IN MOTION, SHOWS THE SMA; HORIZONTAL CHIN SPOILERS, AND THE SOUP CAN SHAPED OBJECT OVER THE  TUBULAR BAR UNDER THE RADIATOR, WAS THIS TAKEN DURING THE RACE OR IN APRIL PRACTICE?

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1965 GT350/R-Model / list of GT350R prices from www.classic.com
« on: January 07, 2023, 04:53:02 PM »
site has pictures
from https://www.classic.com/m/ford/shelby-mustang/1st-gen/1965-1966/gt350r/
MARKET PRICES
Ford Shelby Mustang GT350R - 1st Gen (1965 to 1965)
CMB
$1,391,783

The race specification Shelby Mustang GT350R is one of the most coveted examples of the First Generation Shelby Mustang. Offered solely in 1...
For Sale
0
This othr site has pictures
https://www.classic.com/m/ford/shelby-mustang/1st-gen/1965-1966/gt350r/
Avg
$1.5m
Sales Count
5
Dollar Volume
$7.5m
Lowest Sale
$720,000
Top Sale
$3.9m
Most Recent
$875,000
Zoom
From
Jan 7, 2018
To
Jan 7, 2023

1965 Shelby Mustang GT350R
$875,000 SOLD
1965 Shelby Mustang GT350R
TMU Manual LHD Restored-Modified
Auction 8 months ago
Mansfield, TX, USA

1965 Shelby GT350 R
$775,000 SOLD
1965 Shelby GT350 R
TMU Manual LHD
Auction 1 year ago
Monterey County, CA, USA


1965 Shelby GT350R Fastback
$1,265,000 SOLD

1965 Shelby GT350R Fastback
TMU Manual LHD
Auction 1 year ago
Monterey County, CA, USA

1965 Shelby GT350R Fastback
$800,000 HIGH BID

1965 Shelby GT350R Fastback
Manual LHD
Auction 1 year ago
Indianapolis, IN, USA


1965 Shelby GT350R Fastback
$1,100,000 HIGH BID
1965 Shelby GT350R Fastback
4,930 mi LHD
Auction 1 year ago
Kissimmee, FL, USA


1965 Shelby GT350R Prototype
$3,850,000 SOLD
1965 Shelby GT350R Prototype
LHD
Auction 2 years ago
Indianapolis, IN, USA

1965 Shelby GT350 R
$720,000 SOLD
1965 Shelby GT350 R
LHD
Auction 4 years ago
Monterey, CA, USA


1965 Shelby GT350R
NOT SOLD
1965 Shelby GT350R
LHD
Auction 4 years ago
Scottsdale, AZ, USA

1965 Shelby GT350 R
NOT SOLD
1965 Shelby GT350 R
LHD
Auction 4 years ago
Phoenix, AZ, USA


1965 Shelby GT350 R
$742,500 SOLD
1965 Shelby GT350 R
LHD
Auction 6 years ago
Monterey, CA, USA

1965 Shelby GT350 R
$770,000 SOLD
1965 Shelby GT350 R
LHD
Auction 7 years ago
Fort Worth, TX, USA

1965 Shelby Mustang GT350 R
$984,500 SOLD
1965 Shelby Mustang GT350 R
LHD
Auction 8 years ago
Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

1965 Shelby GT350 R
$990,000 SOLD
1965 Shelby GT350 R
Manual LHD
Auction 10 years ago

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Maybe the extra bits of metal on the hood is just a second set of hood pins. That's because in some kinds of racing they don't bother with having a hood with hinges with little springs to hold it up, they just have four pins poking through the hood and you lift the whole hood off and park it on the roof so you have full access to the engine compartment So now I'll have to find a shot of that car in the pits to see if the hood (bonnet in Brit-speak) is like in the street car or had to be detached and lifted off to service the engine.

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The model car found on a French slot car website seem to have the wrong grille -a mesh rather than horizontal bars--so I don't think the model is very representative of the way the Dubois Shelby GT350 looked at LeMans in '67. Why go to all the trouble to make a model and have something big like the grille be wrong?

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Is it possible the LeMans GT350 had a small racing windscreen, ,tbe flip=up type like on an MG-TC,  a couple feet down the hood from the windshield? That's the only explanation i can see for metal brackets on the hood driver's side. My theory is if the windshield broke that would still allow the driver some protection. But the hole in my theory is the brackets I think I see are only  few inches apart and wouldn't offer much protection. still, Dubois had raced at LeMans at least six times before so he might have wanted backup since he might have broken a windshield previously (Bondurant once told me he went into the gravel on purpose to shatter someone's windshield that was hounding him on a track) (Hey, shit happens)

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Florida Region SAAC / Re: Mecum January 4-15, 2023
« on: January 07, 2023, 09:31:15 AM »
Portrait Shelby i pudding bowl helmet, 289 hi po wit Weber in Cobra, Ferrari SP2 doing burnout, Iso grifo A3C probably only 20" x 30"  canvases there. Officially crossing the block Monday

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Florida Region SAAC / Re: Mecum January 4-15, 2023
« on: January 06, 2023, 05:17:31 PM »
The history of the King Cobras is not all cut and dried. Shelby ordered four but some other people ordered some and maybe the owners of those others years later wanted to make them look like ex-Shelby. So in other words, the owner histories (and crash & rebuild records) not as orderly as you want them to be. What would've been ideal is to buy one that Shelby kept around for 50 plus years, like his twin Paxton, it only had one owner 'til he sold it at Barrett-Jackson--I think that's the one ex-Shelby owned car that has the strongest ties to the man himself

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Florida Region SAAC / Re: Mecum January 4-15, 2023
« on: January 06, 2023, 03:28:21 PM »
Stangman 39. I have sold a car at auction. be sure to meet the bidders once they sit down, you can get their cards, because months later if it was a no sale, they might  still be interested. Print up a fact sheet on your car and leave it on some seats. I still regret selling my gullwing for $13,000, now they are a million (of course I didn't admit it had a 190SL nose on it..)Also can you post a picture of the road art, I got a coupla Shelby paintings in there. I have them at No Reserve and that's scary as it's on the 9th, a Monday and I don't know how many less people come on a weekday tha a weekend.

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picture from last year on the museum website

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 Autoworld Belgium,showed a photo of their display of the car were i got  the key identifiers like

-lift bar under the radiator (allowing same manual lift bar used in the pits for Cobras)
-Marchal lamps with covers
-yellow sign on side which has team name on top and SHELBY COBRA on the bottom
-the right wheels, metal color
--two windshield wipers together

so in my first try I went with the front 3/4  view but still deciding which background typifies LeMans most, I chose a pit shot from '63 or '64 as ref. I doubt by '67 COBRA still had a sign (by then Ford was promoting Ford GTs) . But I'm aiming for mood which is why I laid in the fog. I've been to the 24 Heures du Mans but decades later. I'll still look for a long view of the course with the famous Michelin (or is it Dunlop?) tire looming over the cars. By the time I find it,
I'll know more how the car looked in the race at LeMans in '67  (not counting how it looked in practice)?

Three other questions--the passenger side of the grille seems to have a piece of plexiglass blocking part of it off?
On the drivers side there is some circular metal bracket on the hood, like what holds  a fire extinguisher  extinguisher, what is that?
On what another reader said is a transverse rod below the grille for quick jacking, there seems to be a soda pop-sized can over the rod on the passenger side? What is that? I can't imagine the bar had any hydraulic function

Thanks for the observant interpretations,

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