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Is it possible the LeMans GT350 had a small racing windscreen, ,tbe flip=up type like on an MG-TC,  a couple feet down the hood from the windshield? That's the only explanation i can see for metal brackets on the hood driver's side. My theory is if the windshield broke that would still allow the driver some protection. But the hole in my theory is the brackets I think I see are only  few inches apart and wouldn't offer much protection. still, Dubois had raced at LeMans at least six times before so he might have wanted backup since he might have broken a windshield previously (Bondurant once told me he went into the gravel on purpose to shatter someone's windshield that was hounding him on a track) (Hey, shit happens)

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Florida Region SAAC / Re: Mecum January 4-15, 2023
« on: January 07, 2023, 09:31:15 AM »
Portrait Shelby i pudding bowl helmet, 289 hi po wit Weber in Cobra, Ferrari SP2 doing burnout, Iso grifo A3C probably only 20" x 30"  canvases there. Officially crossing the block Monday

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Florida Region SAAC / Re: Mecum January 4-15, 2023
« on: January 06, 2023, 05:17:31 PM »
The history of the King Cobras is not all cut and dried. Shelby ordered four but some other people ordered some and maybe the owners of those others years later wanted to make them look like ex-Shelby. So in other words, the owner histories (and crash & rebuild records) not as orderly as you want them to be. What would've been ideal is to buy one that Shelby kept around for 50 plus years, like his twin Paxton, it only had one owner 'til he sold it at Barrett-Jackson--I think that's the one ex-Shelby owned car that has the strongest ties to the man himself

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Florida Region SAAC / Re: Mecum January 4-15, 2023
« on: January 06, 2023, 03:28:21 PM »
Stangman 39. I have sold a car at auction. be sure to meet the bidders once they sit down, you can get their cards, because months later if it was a no sale, they might  still be interested. Print up a fact sheet on your car and leave it on some seats. I still regret selling my gullwing for $13,000, now they are a million (of course I didn't admit it had a 190SL nose on it..)Also can you post a picture of the road art, I got a coupla Shelby paintings in there. I have them at No Reserve and that's scary as it's on the 9th, a Monday and I don't know how many less people come on a weekday tha a weekend.

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picture from last year on the museum website

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 Autoworld Belgium,showed a photo of their display of the car were i got  the key identifiers like

-lift bar under the radiator (allowing same manual lift bar used in the pits for Cobras)
-Marchal lamps with covers
-yellow sign on side which has team name on top and SHELBY COBRA on the bottom
-the right wheels, metal color
--two windshield wipers together

so in my first try I went with the front 3/4  view but still deciding which background typifies LeMans most, I chose a pit shot from '63 or '64 as ref. I doubt by '67 COBRA still had a sign (by then Ford was promoting Ford GTs) . But I'm aiming for mood which is why I laid in the fog. I've been to the 24 Heures du Mans but decades later. I'll still look for a long view of the course with the famous Michelin (or is it Dunlop?) tire looming over the cars. By the time I find it,
I'll know more how the car looked in the race at LeMans in '67  (not counting how it looked in practice)?

Three other questions--the passenger side of the grille seems to have a piece of plexiglass blocking part of it off?
On the drivers side there is some circular metal bracket on the hood, like what holds  a fire extinguisher  extinguisher, what is that?
On what another reader said is a transverse rod below the grille for quick jacking, there seems to be a soda pop-sized can over the rod on the passenger side? What is that? I can't imagine the bar had any hydraulic function

Thanks for the observant interpretations,

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Those who are not artists might say "Well. what's the difference between depicting the car as it looked in  practice or in the actual race?" but i can defend that line of questioning because the practice at LeMans takes place in April and the actual race in June so the car could change a lot between practice and the race. Once I decide on the angle (probably front 3/4) if there's other cars in the ref. picture I'll try (by entry list) to see if those cars were in the actual race to make sure i'm not showing the car  in practice.
Also note diff. between entry list here

https://www.racingsportscars.com/entry/Le_Mans-1967-06-11.html

and finishing list here

https://www.racingsportscars.com/results/Le_Mans-1967-06-11.html

The second list says it was a piston that put them out at 58 laps. Which reminds me of why Enzo Ferrari selected a V12 because with so many cylinders you can be down a few and keep running (which i cna attest to in my own V12 which never ran on more than 10 cylinders when i owned it)

By the way i am impressed with all the digging in this Q & A

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Two different kinds of spoilers. in the latest picture the chin spoiler is black and full width so i am [resuming it wore that during the race (or is that picture from practice?) I notice something else--,the windshield wiper appears to be two blades together--something they never would have done in Detroit.

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Trying again on front picture showing undertray spoilers

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Fly in the ointment: in two pictures I've seen there is a difference in the nose

1)in one picture it is wearing a short American-style license plate at a tilted (sloppily mounted) angle, not seen in other shots
2) in another picture it has little spoilers on each side below the front bottom metal, looking like they were  cut in the pit and mounted there. My question is--did it run those during the race? Or were those tried in practice and discarded? This was still the early days for spoilers but not stock Shelby as that body style was already obsolete by '67.

(I am trying to load them but may not succeed as they ae not jpeg images)

Finally in one picture there is a hill behind it with spectators in the background but to those who don't recognize it, it could be anywhere whereas in the one where it's got pits in the background, you know it's LeMans. Wouldn't a racing fan who wants a picture of a racing Shelby at LeMans want a background that say LeMans more certainly?

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Looks good.
So roof, front hood and rear deck stripe all dark blue
number on side black
Wheels polished metal outer rims. dull grey on spokes
What did the rectangular yellow sign say? Was it on  both sides of the car? Maybe promoting a product?  Maybe it's a common product sign in France?
Were they allowed to share the Shelby/Ford pits? I've seen one photo where inexplicably it looks like they are parked in the Ferrari pits...

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The entry was in '67
17   Dubois / Tuerlinckx   Claude Dubois (B)   Shelby   GT350
It did not finish. I want to do a color painting but since my only ref. photos are black and white, I  don't know if the number on the side, racing stripes, and driver's names were in black or dark blue?  Thanks for any tips....

interview of Dubois here http://www.ponysite.de/sheleur_dubois.htm

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I just became aware of this already on-going 24 hour a day  63-lot auction of Shelby-American related memorabilia.(end date Jan. 31st)  The same site  also has one on  Porsche memorabilia. Find the Shelby one under this heading:

https://ontime.mecum.com/auction/shelby-american-le-mans-sports-car-racing-collection-220/terms-conditions/Here's a partial description

Part of their description:
Shelby American / Le Mans - Sports Car Racing Collection
BIDDING NOW!   Tue, November 29 - Tue, January 31   Location: Walworth, WI   Number of Items: 63
Shelby American / Le Mans - Sports Car Racing Collection
The Shelby American / Le Mans - Sports Car Racing Collection was curated by a lifelong California-based sports car racing enthusiast with a focus on eye-catching vintage racing posters from around the world. The assemblage encompasses a broad range of unique collectibles sure to appeal to both sports car and racing fans and followers, including some of the rarest Shelby American items from the company's founding through 1966, as well as Le Mans photographs from noted photographer Dave Friedman. This special collection is full of desirable items that will delight enthusiasts of the famous 24 Hours of Le Mans race, Ferrari sports racing cars and the most discerning Shelby American collectors alike. 

All offered at No Reserve //Terms, Conditions & Shipping Information

Mecum Magazine: Sport Racing Panoply


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To see what each item is selling for right now , go to the Bid Gallery. Bids started a couple days ago so most only have the asking price. One that surprised me was a George Bartell poster (from a painting) a 1965 Shelby GT350 Mustang that the seller wants over $1,700 for--yes,  minimum bids are shown , tho I am confused why some bidders are bidding below the minimum.(could these be counter-offers? Like at some point the seller could lower the price?) Like to hear what other items are priced far higher than what they've been known to go for previously

   


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Up For Auction / Re: German website advertises 1965 Cobra but no SN
« on: January 02, 2023, 10:53:33 AM »
I know it's way below the real price for a real cat, but it' sad that even the Europeans, who are normally smug about which are real cars are now advertising replicas listed for example as  "1965 Cobra" when they might have been made as recently as 2022. I think it should be an international law that you can only title a car ad with the year it was constructed. But then you have the problem of year it was constructed vs, year first put on sale, I had two 300SL coupes made in '54 yet most reference sites say they were '55 to '57 models.

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When they hid the plate you know it's not theirs to sell and no SN again , not even name of dealer. still when it's price ten times more than other Cobras  in Germany you wonder if it's real?
Price
144,000 EUR
Make
Ac
Model
Cobra
Mi
12,700 km
Year
1967
Fuel type
Petrol
Body type
Convertible
City
Heidelberg
Power
374 kW (509 HP)








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