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Those who are not artists might say "Well. what's the difference between depicting the car as it looked in  practice or in the actual race?" but i can defend that line of questioning because the practice at LeMans takes place in April and the actual race in June so the car could change a lot between practice and the race. Once I decide on the angle (probably front 3/4) if there's other cars in the ref. picture I'll try (by entry list) to see if those cars were in the actual race to make sure i'm not showing the car  in practice.
Also note diff. between entry list here

and finishing list here

The second list says it was a piston that put them out at 58 laps. Which reminds me of why Enzo Ferrari selected a V12 because with so many cylinders you can be down a few and keep running (which i cna attest to in my own V12 which never ran on more than 10 cylinders when i owned it)

By the way i am impressed with all the digging in this Q & A

Two different kinds of spoilers. in the latest picture the chin spoiler is black and full width so i am [resuming it wore that during the race (or is that picture from practice?) I notice something else--,the windshield wiper appears to be two blades together--something they never would have done in Detroit.

Trying again on front picture showing undertray spoilers

Fly in the ointment: in two pictures I've seen there is a difference in the nose

1)in one picture it is wearing a short American-style license plate at a tilted (sloppily mounted) angle, not seen in other shots
2) in another picture it has little spoilers on each side below the front bottom metal, looking like they were  cut in the pit and mounted there. My question is--did it run those during the race? Or were those tried in practice and discarded? This was still the early days for spoilers but not stock Shelby as that body style was already obsolete by '67.

(I am trying to load them but may not succeed as they ae not jpeg images)

Finally in one picture there is a hill behind it with spectators in the background but to those who don't recognize it, it could be anywhere whereas in the one where it's got pits in the background, you know it's LeMans. Wouldn't a racing fan who wants a picture of a racing Shelby at LeMans want a background that say LeMans more certainly?

Looks good.
So roof, front hood and rear deck stripe all dark blue
number on side black
Wheels polished metal outer rims. dull grey on spokes
What did the rectangular yellow sign say? Was it on  both sides of the car? Maybe promoting a product?  Maybe it's a common product sign in France?
Were they allowed to share the Shelby/Ford pits? I've seen one photo where inexplicably it looks like they are parked in the Ferrari pits...

The entry was in '67
17   Dubois / Tuerlinckx   Claude Dubois (B)   Shelby   GT350
It did not finish. I want to do a color painting but since my only ref. photos are black and white, I  don't know if the number on the side, racing stripes, and driver's names were in black or dark blue?  Thanks for any tips....

interview of Dubois here

I just became aware of this already on-going 24 hour a day  63-lot auction of Shelby-American related memorabilia.(end date Jan. 31st)  The same site  also has one on  Porsche memorabilia. Find the Shelby one under this heading:'s a partial description

Part of their description:
Shelby American / Le Mans - Sports Car Racing Collection
BIDDING NOW!   Tue, November 29 - Tue, January 31   Location: Walworth, WI   Number of Items: 63
Shelby American / Le Mans - Sports Car Racing Collection
The Shelby American / Le Mans - Sports Car Racing Collection was curated by a lifelong California-based sports car racing enthusiast with a focus on eye-catching vintage racing posters from around the world. The assemblage encompasses a broad range of unique collectibles sure to appeal to both sports car and racing fans and followers, including some of the rarest Shelby American items from the company's founding through 1966, as well as Le Mans photographs from noted photographer Dave Friedman. This special collection is full of desirable items that will delight enthusiasts of the famous 24 Hours of Le Mans race, Ferrari sports racing cars and the most discerning Shelby American collectors alike. 

All offered at No Reserve //Terms, Conditions & Shipping Information

Mecum Magazine: Sport Racing Panoply

To see what each item is selling for right now , go to the Bid Gallery. Bids started a couple days ago so most only have the asking price. One that surprised me was a George Bartell poster (from a painting) a 1965 Shelby GT350 Mustang that the seller wants over $1,700 for--yes,  minimum bids are shown , tho I am confused why some bidders are bidding below the minimum.(could these be counter-offers? Like at some point the seller could lower the price?) Like to hear what other items are priced far higher than what they've been known to go for previously


Up For Auction / Re: German website advertises 1965 Cobra but no SN
« on: January 02, 2023, 10:53:33 AM »
I know it's way below the real price for a real cat, but it' sad that even the Europeans, who are normally smug about which are real cars are now advertising replicas listed for example as  "1965 Cobra" when they might have been made as recently as 2022. I think it should be an international law that you can only title a car ad with the year it was constructed. But then you have the problem of year it was constructed vs, year first put on sale, I had two 300SL coupes made in '54 yet most reference sites say they were '55 to '57 models.

When they hid the plate you know it's not theirs to sell and no SN again , not even name of dealer. still when it's price ten times more than other Cobras  in Germany you wonder if it's real?
144,000 EUR
12,700 km
Fuel type
Body type
374 kW (509 HP)

Up For Auction / German website advertises 1965 Cobra but no SN
« on: January 01, 2023, 10:39:38 AM »
messy website, no SN , no history of car

Sorry this is so fragmentary...

Lots of good pictures on the dealer's site. It's in Hong Kong

I think new cars that arre  LHD are illegal to sell in Aussieland so even used LHD must be hard to sell...and this one's  left hooker
1963 Shelby Cobra MK I 289

View all photos at this website

Oldtimer Australia is delighted to offer for sale this fabulous 1963 Shelby Cobra MK I 289.

According to the World Registry of Cobras & GT40s, this particular car was the 105th of 126 Mk I Cobras built and one of only 51 Mk I Cobras fitted with the 289 engine. It was originally finished in blue with a black interior. The car was delivered new on the 4th January 1963 to Shelby America and then shipped to New York on the 4th April 1963 on board the ‘SS Vlist”. It was invoiced to Coventry Motors, Walnut Creek, California on the 6th May 1963.

The earliest known owner, Mr. William Nicholas from Mill Valley, California, acquired the car in the late 1960’s or early 1970’s. The car is documented as carrying the yellow on black California licence plate CCZ907 in August 1976. In circa 1978 the car was acquired by Ed Breith from San Remo, California. During Breith’s ownership the car was refurbished, which included a repaint in guardsman blue with the addition of the white stripes, fresh chrome, a retrim in black leather and an engine rebuild. The car changed hands a few more times throughout the 1990’s in the USA before being acquired by Oldtimer Australia and imported into Brisbane in 2003. The current owner, who is a well-known Shelby enthusiast and collector, acquired this Cobra in 2010.

The Mk I Cobras were all fitted with worm and sector type steering. Many of these early cars had their steering upgraded to a rack and pinion type steering, which was standard on the Mk II Cobras. This particular example has had the steering rack upgrade at some stage.

This Shelby Cobra MK I 289 is no trailer queen and it has been used as Carroll Shelby intended – to be driven! That said, today this car presents exceptionally well. The blue paintwork looks fresh and it carries a high gloss with a strong depth of colour. On closer inspection you will notice a few minor blemishes and stone chips. The external trim, including the chrome, lights/lenses also present well. The only exception is the front ‘Shelby’ badge and ‘Powered by Ford’ badges which show some wear. The chrome wire wheels and AC wheel spinners are in excellent condition and a real feature on this car. The wheels are shod with Michelin XWX tyres all round.

The interior of the car presents well with just the right amount patina. The upholstery has aged beautifully and is all in good condition with no rips or tears. The quick release seat belts suit the car perfectly. The dashboard may well be original and whilst the top is in good condition the fascia shows light wear with minor damage in places. The instruments and controls are similarly presented and look to be in working order.

The engine bay looks clean and after opening the bonnet you immediately note that the original Holley 715 carburettor has been replaced with a downdraft Weber set up.

Accompanying the car is a full tonneau cover, which is in excellent condition and a soft top which probably hasn’t seen the light of day in many, many years. It would be for emergency purposes only, but it looks to be in good condition.

It was with great anticipation and excitement that we got behind the wheel of this car for a test drive and it did not disappoint. In fact, it probably exceeded expectations! The weather gods smiled upon us and allowed the beast to be unleashed under a cloudless blue sky. The thumping Ford V8 started easily at the first turn of the key. We expected that the Weber carburettor set up would have made the car a little temperamental, but it didn’t. There’s no doubt it preferred the open road, but it behaved surprisingly well in traffic. The engine sounds fabulous and has more power than you will ever need. The gearbox is smooth and with a short throw it is easy to shift up and down the box. The steering is light, yet direct and the car handles well. The brakes were more than adequate to pull the car up.  That said you’d really want to get the car on the track to experience its true potential. The car felt tight on the road, though to be honest you would not hear any rattles or squeaks over the roar of the engine!


Documented in the World Registry of Cobras & GT40s
The 105th of 126 Mk I Cobras built and one of only 51 Mk I Cobras with the 289 engine.
Delivered new on the 4th January 1963 to Shelby America.
Invoiced to Coventry Motors, Walnut Creek, California on the 6th May 1963.
Originally finished in blue with a black interior.
Upgraded to later rack and pinion steering at some stage.
Purchased by Oldtimer Australia and imported into Brisbane in 2003.
Acquired by the current owner in 2010.
The Shelby Cobra is one of the most desirable and sought-after world market collector cars. Currently there are only a handful of these amazing cars in Australia. Given the current taxes you would have to pay to import one, it is not very likely that that number will increase. As such, here is a unique opportunity to acquire a rare 1963 Shelby Cobra MK I 289.

This fabulous car is ready for its next custodian to enjoy, show, ta

Up For Auction / CSX2516 coming up for auction Kissimmee FL Jan, 4th
« on: December 28, 2022, 12:38:26 AM »
It's a repaint from original color but looks good to me

HiPo 289 V-8 engine
4-speed manual transmission
Chrome knock-off wire wheels
Delivered new with Class A accessories
Billed to Shelby American on July 21, 1964 and shipped to Los Angeles aboard the SS Dongedyk
Invoiced on October 19, 1964 to Harr Ford in Worcester, Massachusetts
The car was delivered to Massachusetts by Shelby truck
Known ownership includes Biff Bering and David Greene of Houston, Texas in the early 1970s
Acquired in 1975 by Virgil Nelson of Iowa, who retained ownership for 31 years
Nelson sold it in 2006 to Richard Cohen of Del Ray, Florida
Purchased later in 2006 from Cohen by Rick Grant of Dayton, Ohio
Part of the Rick Grant Collection since 2006
Grant commissioned a restoration and had it finished in Red with a Black interior
Displayed at the 2011 Dayton Concours d'Elegance
Copy of Nelson's Iowa title from 1979
History listed in the Shelby Registry

Replicas and Tribute / Re: Order your new AC Cobra GT roadster - NOW
« on: December 27, 2022, 08:51:19 PM »
A giant engine with over 600 hp. But how many times has Lublinsky walked back out onto the Cobra stage?

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