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1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: '67 GT350, no. 20 - Falcon Hood Prop
« on: October 22, 2020, 09:54:54 AM »
Random thoughts on the subject:

As with anything it all boils down to personal preference and the collecting goals of the person writing the check. I've been collecting cars for three decades now, and went through my own learning curve of deciding what matters to me and the kind of cars I want to own. I like original unrestored cars, cars with great history, and cars I enjoy driving. Case in point- I had an amazing unrestored '69 Boss 429 for years. Amazing docs and history, a true no BS car. Spent a ton of time making it run right and getting it fully sorted to drive as good as any B9 could drive. But in the end it just sat here because even the best B9 still drives like a dump truck compared to a '65 GT350. So I sold it with the realization that I don't need static display cars. The same reason I sold the ex-Timken KR that Scott Tiemann restored with all NOS parts. It was, at the time, a benchmark restoration. But man I got tired of pushing a car with no fluids in it around my garage. It had to go.

Now I have a collection of cars that all speak to me, great stories, colors I like, rare or unique features (like my narrow hip 427 or original paint '66 GT350 with 14" steel wheels etc) and we drive the heck out of all of them. Sure they madden the purists when they see radial tires or a Napa fuel pump or better mufflers but I have shelves full of the correct original parts and hardware that my family can bolt back on prior to the estate sale lol.

On the other end of the spectrum some shop to a budget and don't care about a color change (lime gold to red for example) or a NOM or a trans swap because they want a cool looking Shelby to have fun with. I totally respect that too. It is still a seat at this great table and the experience is no less exciting.

And, some want perfect shiny restored cars to polish, trailer, show, polish, store, polish, cover, polish, put NOS air into the tires, polish.... ok I'm teasing but you get the point.

Some buy by strictly color and options and I get that too.

Some would never consider an original unrestored car, like my ex-Dave Matthews 67 GT350 #3002, and would rather have a Moss Green 67 like the one that sold for $165k on BaT because it shinier and doesn't show any patina whereas 3002 is one of my favorite '67s.

I had 67 #888, a nightmist blue/ parchment 4 speed GT500. A great one owner car restored to perfection. That car got me because of the color and history but a good friend talked my out of it 13 years ago and still owns it (the bastard! And I know he's reading this too- bastard!)

So in summary to answer the question some (like me) appreciate the uniqueness of a super early two-digit car like 0020, the value of its history, the value of having these great original parts surviving time and the fact it never lost its original engine, etc. There are a lot of things that set it apart and these are the things a lot of seasoned (note I didn't say "old" lol) collectors value now that they have fine tuned their collections to have truly unique and rare examples of these halo cars. That's the kind of collection 0020 is coming out of, the owner is a 35 year Pebble Beach judge who has everything from pre-war Silver Ghosts to a new S550 GT350. And he drives them all. But as somebody who knows what a good collection consists of he's always sought out special cars. Wheat vs. chaff as it may be.

That's the cool thing about cars. One car decide what they like and do what speaks to and pleases their own old car goals. And in the end this hobby is still the great equalizer, doesn't matter if you're a grease monkey like me or a multi-billionaire, we all love these things and can relate to each others passion for them no matter what it may be focused on.

Long, meaningless ramble over ;)

All the best,


1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: '67 GT350, no. 20 - Falcon Hood Prop
« on: October 21, 2020, 09:14:23 AM »
Hi rcgt350 yes it is the original numbers matching engine and drivetrain. The hood prop lays nicely between the hood pin and core support when not in use. Yes, the cotter pin I referenced is what holds it in the core support.

Lots of info and video at this link:

If you need anything else you can email me at and I'm happy to help.



1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: '67 GT350, no. 20 - Falcon Hood Prop
« on: October 20, 2020, 01:26:47 PM »
rmarble57 no disrespect taken at all. I appreciate all opinions in these public forums even if some are quite misguided lol. As for the price I can assure you 0020 sold for a LOT more the last time and a great deal of money has been spent on it since but the owner is realistic. If a NOM non-two digit car restored by Orlando brings 165k on BaT, #0002 brought $264k at Mecum, and it is reported 0018 sold for $235k not to mention some other "eye opening" sales on lesser cars at Mecum et al I think the price on 0020 is appropriate. Once it is sold it might be a long, long time before another two-digit PR/Show car hits the open market. I've had a lot of activity of a car and there are some ongoing discussions so I feel fairly confident that it will find a new home. I know I'll be sad to see it go, if I didn't have my '67 GT500 (1797) that I love so much I'd buy 0020 for my own collection but I am told one '67 is enough- and I really do enjoy sleeping indoors.  :D

1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: '67 GT350, no. 20 - Falcon Hood Prop
« on: October 20, 2020, 12:59:25 PM »
Hi roddster yes I had 0020 at MCACN previously- I'm one of the owners of the show and have assembled the "Shelby Snakepit" display a few times over the years. #20 was also at SAAC 39 at Road America with our stable in 2014 where Chuck Cantwell signed it and also took it for a drive. That was fun.

And JohnHouston thank you. These are just cars and we are all in this hobby to have fun so I always find it best to have conversations rather than try to start wars. After all every member on this site is here because of our shared enthusiasm for Shelby American. Having a spirited "picking the fly shit out of the pepper" (as Kopec says) debate is par for the course when you get this much knowledge and passion in one place. All part of the fun!



1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: '67 GT350, no. 20 - Falcon Hood Prop
« on: October 19, 2020, 04:33:55 PM »
Hi Guys,

I am the one representing the sale of #20 for my good friend, who now in his late 70s has decided to trim back his Shelby collection a bit.

In any event, as for the much maligned Falcon prop rod I can't say who installed it or when. It always seemed silly to me but the debate on this item  on these early 2-digit factory show cars predates time it seems lol. Could it be part of a show car thing for added safety that the hood wouldn't fall? Again, I don't know and if nobody has a definitive answer 53 years later we may never have one. I do know it has been on #20 for at least 20 years so didn't have the heart to remove it. Of course, one cotter pin and poof it is gone if one desires.

Rocker stripes: When I originally bought the car in 2007 through Curt at Cobra Auto it had '66 style side stripes. It was explained that they went along with the other '66 "early" features like the smooth '66 seat covers. When my friend had my shop re-paint the car in 2014 to remove the incorrect LeMans stripes (my pet peeve) the decision was made to put '66 style rocker stripes back on. But, if the buyer wants '67 style ones I have a hair dryer and a stripe kit handy and will happily swap them out no charge. No paint will be required, just a quick re-do of the center of the front fender stripes.

I know it is just my opinion, and that and five bucks will get a curbside pickup cup of Starbucks, but I think #20 is a very special car. It is a unique early car with a great history, has all of the right bits, original tag, engine, etc. and a great deal of money has been spent making it run and drive as good as any old Mustang can.

As always I appreciate the wealth of knowledge and lively discussions here so thanks!



There was a 427 cobra and a slab side that went a little later today, the price on both seemed a little light. 
A little voice is telling me I must reply.
It is a street 289 Cobra.
Ok Jim as long as you went there (not that I disagree!) may I also say it was a 428 Cobra made into a 427 Cobra? ;)

The 289 comp car and 66 carryover were great deals compared to the rest of the cars
A little more to the story on those two. The Cobra was a street car converted to a comp car in period. A former (far more recent) owner had the car listed as an Independent Comp car after he showed period race history for it. So, not a true Comp car by any means and a long way from being returned to a street car. I've known that one for a long time as I knew the 3 owners prior to John. The Carryover car #002 was a race car for many, many years. The Registry has more on that. It's value, IMHO, was in the serial number not its originality.

I thought 5R002 had a shot to do more, the 65 Paxton car was logical, and the 66 Paxton car was a result of two bidders who wanted to have it I guess! The 66 Convert was a great result too. Heck, all of the cars sold really well even the '15 R which I was glad to see John enjoyed for 6k+ miles rather than keeping it in the wrapper.

1967 Shelby GT350/500 / Re: '67 Hubcaps ?
« on: April 25, 2020, 09:48:20 AM »
Man that '67 in the first pic is COOL  :D

Up For Auction / Re: 1967 Shelby GT350 Paxton Car
« on: January 13, 2020, 12:27:36 PM »
So, I cant help you carry the money to the bank?


If you sell me a Conolec system for 0006 I will help YOU carry YOUR money to the bank Pete!!

Up For Auction / Re: Mecum Kissimmee Auction - Today
« on: January 13, 2020, 11:53:38 AM »
That supposed, alleged Comer Conelec '69 Shelby was a big dud.......appeared to be no real bids, just the "house" chandelier types..... :-*

Hi CorvetteMike,

I'm here so if you'd like to discuss my 1969 Conolec car #0006 I'm happy to have that conversation if we can skip the BS above. There was real money on the car to $280k and I am negotiating with the high bidder currently. And Pete is correct, I just valued the car more than the high bid less commissions. The car has never really been in public nor is it well known since it has been in hiding forever. So if I end up keeping it I'll again try to convince Pete to trade my firstborn for a Conolec system because I think it would be cool to have it running around with functional EFI as it did as a Shelby Engineering car with Fred Goodell for 8,000 miles in 1969.

But to be clear I can appreciate and respect opinions but not allegations and rumors about a car or people that just aren't true. The car is real, I am real, both have been confirmed as such by SAAC and my physician (respectively, the later a far less pleasant experience after the age of 45 I might add) and you are welcome to come see for yourself if you care to. I'll have a beer and a brat waiting if you just let me know.


Colin Comer

Up For Auction / Re: 1967 Shelby GT350 Paxton Car
« on: January 13, 2020, 11:35:59 AM »
Tim, Pete, Bob G, etc- I feel like I need to clarify one important aspect re this sale. This was NOT my car nor owned by me. I previously owned it and sold it in 2016. I simply commented on the thread because of my background on the car.

My friend that I sold it to (from Rochester NY) planned to be at the sale but his mom is gravely ill so I offered to rep the car on the block for him. He told me to do whatever I thought was the right choice re. the reserve. As you can see from the Mecum broadcast I pulled the reserve at 320k. The gentleman who bought it also bought the gold 68 EFI car (#56 if my memory is correct Pete?) for $300k hammer. So clearly he has a thing for Paxton cars even though I don't know if it was ever decided that the '68 had one originally?

So, while I appreciate the offers to help me carry the cash from the '67 Paxton sale it will be delivered directly to NY and not to me!  ;D

And, I stand by my statement that this was an older resto painted and striped by Curt Vogt/ Cobra Automotive in 1996 or so. Tony Branda's son was posting pics of it during restoration on Facebook last week in Curt's shop showing the same stripes on it then. Today, and in 2016 when I owned it, the car has a nice even patina to it and since I enjoy driving and not car shows I never saw the need to change anything with its appearance other than to take off the hideous reproduction 10-spokes and old Radial T/A tires and put on the correct wheels, caps, and small-letter Goodyears.

I hope the new owner enjoys it, she has a healthy engine and I sorted the mechanicals really thoroughly so the car is quite fun to drive!


Up For Auction / Re: Conelec EFI 1969 Shelby Auction
« on: December 16, 2019, 02:25:33 PM »
Thanks David and Corbins, yes, hard to sell off these cars but I'm losing a 17,000 foot building and being forced to downsize a bit. They are all really great cars and I hope they find good homes- maybe even ones that will let me visit  :)

Best Holiday Wishes to all of you and yours!


Up For Auction / Re: Conelec EFI 1969 Shelby Auction
« on: December 13, 2019, 02:11:19 PM »
Hi, All,

I DO have an affiliation with this car  ;D Here's a better link to the actual listing on Mecum's site vs. the HMN feeder:

I've asked Mecum to edit to PW part I don't know where they got that from. As for the EFI it was always my plan to have a fellow Wisconsinite buddy of mine (ahem! PETER  :D) help me return it to the way it was at Shelby with a Conolec system on it. But, try as I might as Pete mentioned he is trying to source a Conolec car of his own so is holding tight to the EFI bits hidden under his mattress for the time being.

So, 0006 remains today as it was when it was shipped to the Hertz Corporation in late '69 with its original CJ intake and carb on it currently.

It's a great car and if anybody is heading to Mecum please look me up- I'll likely be standing guard near the 13 cars I'm bringing (yikes) and it would be great to see some SAAC folks!

Happy Holidays to you all,


Up For Auction / Re: 1967 Shelby GT350 Paxton Car
« on: December 01, 2019, 02:54:25 PM »
Hi Bob,

Actually as somebody who has owned the car and reviewed its entire history file, spoken to owners, etc. yes I am aware a lot can happen in 23 years. However in this case I can assure you the paint and stripes were done at Cobra Automotive when it was restored. As we all know 23 years is a long time in the continual growth of knowledge on these cars as well as the availability of correct restoration parts as well. This isn't the only '67 that was restored a long time ago and has 65/66 style stripes on it. Wasn't throwing the old Sasquatch hunter under the bus just stating a fact- they did the paint and stripes many moons ago. It is what it is.

Now, since you brought up who should be ashamed I'm not. This is a great old car and as I stated in my post I spent a lot of time and yes a fair amount of money correcting and sorting a bunch of MECHANICAL details as noted in my original post. I have a lot of experience with making Paxton cars run right, in fact one of my discoveries after much dyno time with a see-through carb bonnet I made, as well as tons of road tuning with dual wideband O2 sensors and EGT probes on my Paxton SC '65, was to incorporate a marine spark arrestor on the carb to prevent the "tornado in a telephone booth" from pulling fuel out of the bowl vents. This one mod is so incredibly effective you can typically pull 5-10 jet sizes out and get the car to run spot on A/F ratios. I shared this info with Craig Conley including the mfr and part # for these arrestors and now he considers it a mandatory addition and includes them with his Paxton kits as I understand it.  Anyway on top of this on 2148 I fixed a number of things from a cam that was simply wrong for a boosted application, not only bleeding boost but also needing an electric vacuum pump for the power brakes, aftermarket headers, a "hot rod" exhaust, Hurst shifter, aftermarket 10 spokes, and on and on. So yeah $30k goes by in a blink with stuff like a $5k Scott Fuller concours exhaust and correct '67 manifolds, a rebuilt OE shifter from Jim Cowles, wheels, hubcaps, Polyglas tires, and then going through the engine, trans, brakes, fuel system, suspension etc to make it all work like it should. Oh, I did paint the inside of the trunk as it wasn't finished to my standards and had the original wood steering wheel restored by the same fellow who does them for Bill Kemper's Cobras and others. I also re-did the instrument cluster and detailed the dash to make it nice and crisp.

That said the paint done by Cobra was still excellent, a lot of the interior was still original and really great, and cosmetically the car was super nice so yeah I saw no reason to pull off the side stripes and risk screwing up the paint or having a shadow visible. Simply didn't bother me that much as the car just looks killer as it is. The crappy repop wheels, Radial T/As and fast n' furious exhaust though- all that had to go immediately!

I've never been a die hard concours correct guy as I like good old cars with good bones that run and drive like they should. Or better. Don't get me wrong I appreciate your and others dedication to picture perfect cars that get pushed on and off of trailers just to get rolled into or out of a show, or maybe putter along over a concours lawn, but I'm a driver first and foremost. I get my pleasure from hopping in these cars and driving them hard on the back roads to Road America, a cruise night, or an early Sunday morning blast to feel what it was like when they were new and step back in time. Not one of these cars rolled out of SA as perfect as some like them to be now and I'm not bothered by a GT350 callout that has an extra 2" of white vinyl stripe next to it that shouldn't be there.

So, ashamed I am not. 2148 came into my life as something that wasn't fun to drive and didn't live up to the legend. But it left as something that was all of that and more. My buddy, who has owned it for the past 3 years, has enjoyed that just as much as I have and I'm sure the next owner will too. 2148 is a great car and in the world of 1965-1967 cars a factory Paxton car is hard to beat IMO, especially one that rips like this one does!

Hope this helps explain things a bit.

Wishing you all the best and a very Merry Christmas, Bob.


Up For Auction / Re: 1967 Shelby GT350 Paxton Car
« on: December 01, 2019, 11:32:07 AM »
The person who striped that should be ashamed of himself.

Bob that person would be Curt Vogt who striped it in 1996!

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