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Quote from: CharlesTurner on December 27, 2018, 02:23:36 PM

Quote from: 6s1640 on December 27, 2018, 02:15:23 PM
I find it odd that the export brace doubler is absent or removed.   If it was removed, who ever removed was very careful to not score the cowl area from cutting the welds.  I find this questionable.   Also, why would this piece be removed, unless it was not there to begin with.   I see this as a red flag.

The top cowl section is not original to the car.  As noted previously, that piece has a NJ assembly plant 'PAINT OK' stamp.  Seems just a coincidence that a black one was found.  It doesn't appear to even be attached.

Hi Charles,

I checked, but missed.  Now that makes sense.

Thanks

Cory

I find it odd that the export brace doubler is absent or removed.   If it was removed, who ever removed was very careful to not score the cowl area from cutting the welds.  I find this questionable.   Also, why would this piece be removed, unless it was not there to begin with.   I see this as a red flag.

The FORD VIN is consistent with my tracking of SAI GT350 and FORD VIN's.  It is very small number of units off another GT350 I have tracked that is very very close.

Cory

Here is another way to slice the data.  It shows the mix of automatics and four speeds by SAI VIN.  There are some large blocks where the cars were all one tranny type.  Then other areas where there was a mix back and fourth, i.e. 5 automatic, four four speed, five automatics, two four speed, etc.

You can see the very first set of 6R09K's after 252 the length of the bar is 36 automatics in a row.  From 6S532 to 6S590 there are 58 four speed cars with one automatic at 6S576.

Enjoy

Cory

Hi Karl,

The registry actually includes a lot of transmission type information in the pages 280 to 336.  I surveyed cars 6S253 to 602 (350 units) and found 44.9% were automatics and 55.1% four speed.  However, a smaller samplings show big swings on percentages.  I have broken down the survey groups into 50 unit blocks.  See the below image for that survey.  If someone wants to help with other groupings beyond 6S602, I can email you an EXCEL file for you to continue populating and then I can reduce the data.

The same survey could be done for color too, if someone wants to take on and has some free time.

I hope this helps.

Cory

Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 21, 2018, 04:34:18 PM
First and foremost I have found if trying to make a positive connection with a seller in giving a heads up on a incorrect description is to be non confrontational. I typically explain the reason why and then end with wishing the seller well on his auction. Regardless of if you succeed or not you at least feel good that you did it in a honorable way the same way you would want to be contacted if the roles reversed. Unfortunately some sellers are a lost cause.   

I think the best bet is to post on this site to inform other members of misleading descriptions when appropriate.  This methods is a sure bet to help.

Take care

Cory

Quote from: SFM6S087 on December 21, 2018, 01:15:59 AM

Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 18, 2018, 09:53:54 PM
Liability for the warranty if the stamp was not done in the book is a logical incentive to have it stamped. It was supposed to have been done. If no stamp most likely a replacement book. Not to say it is not beyond the realm of possibility to not have it stamped but highly unlikely given the stakes involved.

I know of a carryover with its original Mustang Owners Manual. It has the Owner Identification information filled in - including the VIN, owner name, dealer name, etc. That manual does not have the VOID stamp in it. So the exceptions are out there.

Steve

I think that means this car has the rare stamp delete option for the "VOID for G.T.350 Mustang owners manual.

Cory

If you get a BB pump accidentally for a small block, I expect Flying Fred can fix by swapping out the arm.  Not a major loss, but will cost you some coin to reverse.

Cory

Hi Silver Bullitt,

We could have a contest for the best (non-Pookie) misleading auction title and description.   Here is one:

"65 66 Shelby Mustang GT Original 14 Inch Styled Steel Chrome Wheel #2".  The description does provide some clarification, but still not accurate.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/65-66-Shelby-Mustang-GT-Original-14-Inch-Styled-Steel-Chrome-Wheel-2/272949683996?hash=item3f8d11a71c:g:10QAAOSwc~laFY~R:rk:12:pf:0

Where do you draw the line on trying to correct a seller's title and description?  What is your thresh old for incorrectness?  I have mostly given up trying to convince  sellers to correct their auctions.   Sometimes I am successful and the seller is appreciative.  Other times no response and no change to the auction.  I have made a few inputs recenlty.  There are just too many.

Take care

Cory

Quote from: Karguy on December 19, 2018, 11:30:26 PM
Cory,
Please correct me if I'm reading this wrong. Looks  like there were around 1122 non-hertz, non-carryover 66 Shelby's built.  My car, 281 was definitely in that first batch of those 6R09K cars delivered from San Jose. It seems a lot of the non-carryover early 66 cars were automatics originally.  Is there anyway of knowing how many of the non-Hertz, non-carry over cars had automatic transmissions as opposed to four speeds?
Thanks, Karl
6s281

Hi Karl,

Your best attempt to establishing how many automatic versus standard transmission cars is to just go through the registry.  From there you might assume of the total cars with tranny info, proportion those with automatic and those with standard.   From there estimate totals.  It is mostly just a good guess.  Now on the Hertz Models, I believe automatic/standard are documented very well, so you can leave these cars out of your count.  I would not assume the ratios in the H-model are good for the full spec 6R09K  S-Model cars.  (I prefer to call this group of cars by what they are, not by what they are not.)  Sounds like it is time for you to buy a registry.  As a side note, I have heard from other hobbyist say there were a lot of automatic cars in the early 66 (6R09K) production.  I have not confirmed using the registry.

Cory

Hi Wedgeman,

And all you can eat shrimp. 

Cory

Hi Tesgt350,

Both those owners manuals should also have the owner/dealer info filled out with the SAI VIN as the warranty number.  This is the only way to prove an original Mustang owners manual came from a GT350, assuming no tampering.  I would value them equally because they both have the same pedigree.  However, the stamping would add value.  I do not recall ever seeing an original manual offered for sale.  Vern might have an idea.

Cory

Quote from: tesgt350 on December 19, 2018, 09:26:20 AM

Quote from: 6s1640 on December 18, 2018, 10:29:06 PM
Hi Karl,

The number I think you are looking for is 1122 for total full spec fastback 1966 GT350 S-Model production (AKA non-Hertz)

2378        Total 1966 Production
252          Partial spec cars (AKA carry or left over) built on a 5R09K bodies, one prototype H-Model  SAI VIN 6S048 is included plus four drag cars.
1000        Hertz full spec cars  built on 6R09K bodies.  One prototype H-Model SAI VIN 6S279 is included.
4              Convertibles, not available for purchase when new, built on 6R08K bodies.
1122        Street full spec cars built on 6R09K bodies

I believe your car 6S281 (the 29th on a 6R06K body) was in the very first full spec production batch at San Jose.

Cory

(Data was taken from 4th addition 2011 SAAC Shelby Registry 1965-1966-1967)

I thought it was 998 plus the Prototype?

Hi Tesgt350,

The number I am seeing in the registry is 999 production cars and two prototypes, making 1001  Hertz cars.  The numbers from above do add up to this value.  One of the prototypes is in the 252 batch.

Cory

Hi GT350Lad,

The Detroit Locker instruction manual "NoSPIN" was stamped "GT350 SILENT TYPE" which is ironic, because it was not silent, but was advertised as quieter than the standard type.  Inside the manual, it advises the new car owner not to worry if they hear a clunking sound out of the rear when making slow turns. (Not those exact words.) You can see one from the 5s003 website.

http://1965gt350mustang.com/litmem/lm12.html

The GT350 supplemental also advises the new car owner that ".....the No-SPIN produces an audible sound, as it reacts to demands of the different speeds of the rear wheels.  Do not be alarmed by this noise."  (Exact words.)

Cory

Hi Karl,

The number I think you are looking for is 1122 for total full spec fastback 1966 GT350 S-Model production (AKA non-Hertz)

2378        Total 1966 Production
252          Partial spec cars (AKA carry or left over) built on a 5R09K bodies, one prototype H-Model  SAI VIN 6S048 is included plus four drag cars.
1000        Hertz full spec cars  built on 6R09K bodies.  One prototype H-Model SAI VIN 6S279 is included.
4              Convertibles, not available for purchase when new, built on 6R08K bodies.
1122        Street full spec cars built on 6R09K bodies

I believe your car 6S281 (the 29th on a 6R06K body) was in the very first full spec production batch at San Jose.

Cory

(Data was taken from 4th addition 2011 SAAC Shelby Registry 1965-1966-1967)

IIRC, the warranty for the 66 GT350's was covered in the supplemental manual, thus the VOID for G.T. 350 in the Mustang manual.

The Mustang manual should have also been filled out by the selling dealer with SAI VIN as warranty number, owner and dealer info and usually the ignition/door and trunk key numbers.

Cory