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Is this one?  Looks like the return spring has been replaced by a larger one. Looks kind of like the reverse shape of the GT350 one

Appears that the Cougar/Deluxe Mustang radio block off for 69 and 70 started with a plastic body with an ink stamp on the back side then changed to a debossed identification marking. Both carry 69 Cougar engineering numbers as shown

Examples



Later






The deluxe plate is shaped differently from the standard Mustang radio block off

Quote from: tesgt350 on February 20, 2024, 07:18:52 AM
Talking about the Rear Spoiler, My Memory is not as good as it used to be but, I remember a story a while back, either here or in Mustang Monthly Magazine about a man who designed the Trunk Spoiler,  He had a Red 65/66 Mustang Fastback.  The Decklid and End Caps were one piece.

There has been discussions about who first designed the spoilered trunk lids. Seems to be a fair number of fastbacks with the design all around the same time. Here are some examples


Dearborn Steel Mustang II that traveled around the country with Fords Custom Caravan. More of a shelf with a raised back edge




Bud Anderson built five custom fastbacks that toured around the country. All with a spoiler rear trunk lid area. Here are two of them

This white one, when sold after showing received one of the first Fiberfab front ends. It remained in that buyers ownership into the 1990's. Berry Plastic's used a rear shot of this white Grand American in at least one ad prior to coming up with their own design shown below. As we can read according to this report in the news paper the inspiration was the GT40




Another of the five




Berry Plastic's (provider of the 67 Shelby fiberglass) design




And a white fastback of the one piece that never caught on for a number of reasons





Since all (but the Dearborn Steel car) used production 65 fastbacks its difficult to determine IMHO which came first

Quote from: FL SAAC on February 19, 2024, 05:54:52 PM
We can all now rest easy on the tag, perfect explanation on why its a bit different...

WOW what a statement !!!

Just focusing on the later half
"shows that the plant was in San Jose which was close to the lax facility and the K code for the motor was a destination to a high performance Shelby"

When was San Jose close to Los Angeles?  (it was really Milpitas nor San Jose Distance between the two about 400 miles

And a "K" code for the motor means it was .... 


Got to love or hate BAT

Quote from: Special Ed on February 19, 2024, 02:51:28 PM
.................. The only one that seems the same is the P in the door jamb above interior light switch button.  .......

Agreed that allot of cars had a "P" in red or black in that location. Have also examples with a "P" on the end of the drivers side cowl also before and after the change of cowl paint color.

In rare cases we also have the one older inspector that appears to have been promoted out of the job but did fill in for illness or time off that still liked to use the rubber "baseball" design that they started using in the early 60's

Quote from: nightmist67 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:46 PM
Are suggesting that I not install any inspection stickers since there is a lack of documentation regarding the specific inspection stickers used and the locations where they were applied for the time period when my car was built?

As I see it you have two choices

1- Leave them off if your not sure. If you put them on the car someone else will surely copy your car and not do their own research trusting that you had more information than they do. "Hitting the easy button"

2- Go with the best available information available to the moment and remove or correct if more information is found at a later date

This can be applied to all sorts of different details that make up our cars

Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 19, 2024, 08:18:38 AM
Jeff, how many times have you seen this damage on a frame rail? I screen shot a portion of your pic for reference. I hope that is OK?

Damage yes - normally a deformation on the rear edge of those two rear holes. To the extent shown in that particular picture no IMHO that is extreme and not often found

Quote from: Coralsnake on February 19, 2024, 10:18:34 AM
Just to be clear, Im not saying the cars didnt have the rear tie downs. I am saying the railcars used the frames to cinch the cars down, distorting those holes.

+1

Quote from: nightmist67 on February 18, 2024, 09:30:40 PM
Based upon the photos provided so far, is it appropriate to conclude that there were no specific directions regarding the locations ..........

The location of each sticker, specific ones being used and the specific inspector/shift guided the inspector for each area to produce micro patterns IMHO. Unfortunately the vast major of the evidence is only the shadow on the paint or the remains of the adhesive from the stickers leaving us short of being to use them other than locations of where some sticker was originally. Remember that inspector details like this are not required for any shows unless you in the upper class where few choose to compete. But if you place a daub, marking or sticker incorrectly that can result in a deduction.

Quote from: nightmist67 on February 18, 2024, 09:30:40 PM(e. g., the "B" inspection sticker located on either side of the firewall) and orientations (e. g., the "B" and the "T" inspection stickers applied upright and upside down) of the inspection stickers?

Have not found a "B" sticker on the passenger side on any example through 69 production. Have examples (not from your production period of the "B" being to the outer side of the two stickers applied to the drivers side cowl on a couple of cars.  Have seen them on the passenger side on "restored" cars but the car also had other non-factory details so IMHO two reasons to ignore those examples.

BTW the T sticker is a "T1" (1 is smaller and not in the font shown to the left)



After reviewing the photos here and those engine bay photos in recent Shelby Mustang books,[/quote]

Suggest you don't copy or borrow details from restored car no matter how well that might have done at a show.

Quote from: nightmist67 on February 18, 2024, 09:30:40 PMI occasionally see the "F" inspection sticker, but I have seen no photos showing placement of the "E" inspection sticker.  Can anyone provide comments/photos about those two inspection stickers and their respective placement on the car?

I've got "F" stickers on the passenger side in a number of examples but those cars were built months after your car In the general area where the "WW" is in the example above. "WW" stickers were used during 68 production at Dearborn so not a surprise that it was used into at least the early part of production in 69

As a side note the "F" is also applied to the trunk lid on coupe and convertible Mustangs (same plant and year) also.

Have not seen or found an "E" inspector sticker on an original or unrestored 69 car. Have on some 70 restored Mustangs. Maybe in the picture you saw someone borrowed or migrated the sticker from one year to another when the builder was guessing which and where stickers might have gone. Happens all the time

Quote from: Jhockman on February 18, 2024, 02:22:55 PM
January 15 1968

Thanks
Some examples from around your production period. One from within the same week

Quote from: nightmist67 on February 16, 2024, 04:24:20 PM
The car was built in late December 1968 if that has any bearing upon the specific letters, colors and locations of the inspection stickers applied to the firewall.  Any images that show the firewall for cars built around that period would be helpful.

Sorry for the delay - catching up

You have what appears to be a very early car and I don't have any real early cars, identified by VIN, to match. Best I can offer are a couple of period pictures from early cars (pre cowl black out period) I can offer. To bad they are in black and white

Example #1

Passenger side of cowl. Looks to be a black "WW" sticker




Drivers side of cowl. Appears to be a black "B" and red "T" stickers





Example #2

Drivers side of cowl




Passenger side of cowl. =None visible in the pictures I have but the air cleaner is installed and in the way of that sticker was placed closer to the center of the cowl on the passenger side


Hope this helps in some way.

Quote from: Jhockman on February 18, 2024, 12:59:49 PM
So mid 67 cars and all 68s had the changes? The reason I ask I am going to be replacing my 68  floors soon and want them as correct as possible.
Thanks

Just so we can be as specific as possible. When was your car completed at Metuchen?

Quote from: Jhockman on February 18, 2024, 11:14:20 AM
Picture 162
I thought I read there are differences in 65/66 And 67 and up floor pans?

Quote from: shelbymann1970 on February 18, 2024, 12:00:12 PM
Thanks for pointing out the differences. I use the differences for 69-70 floor pans as many cars use the "65-8" but I guess I should now be saying 65-6 floor pans. ............

No - early floor pans and late 65-into 67 floor pans.

Believe the thread on CMF (where where some of the pictures were borrowed from)  speaks to the issue and possible change date or range.

Quote from: TheKidBry1 on February 17, 2024, 01:35:22 PM
.................. is there someone I could talk to so this can be done by someone certified to do Shelby's?

There is no organization or body that certifies shops that work on Shelbys. Need to go on reputation and trusted recommendations. Don't just fall for a pretty website and claims of awards and trophies

Quote from: Special Ed on February 16, 2024, 03:16:09 PM
mostly black but some red used also and some with 2 letters.

+1 

You'll find that the location varied some and some are not reproduced. Originally (for 69) they were paper based so not meant to last long, and often punched, sometimes printed, with the inspectors ID. IF your just going with reproductions use the ones with sharp square corners at least

Might be best if you post when the car was competed at Dearborn to get the best idea of what the inspectors were working and assigned to that task during that time period. Without any original clues that IMHO would give you the best results with the information available.