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THE RAILROAD CARS
« on: April 11, 2018, 12:55:19 AM »
ok, we all know about the railroad crash, has anymore news come up on these cars? phred

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2018, 10:35:28 AM »
Since the topic has be resurrected, does anyone know where #2363 was being shipped to? I have all the others identified, but this one I could not find.

Also was it ever determined where the accident occurred. We do know that they were sold to Santa Fe Salvage Depot in Los Angles, CA.

The only cars that I have pictures of in my files are #2946, #2339 and #2759, missing the others.

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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2018, 10:50:43 AM »
"Road Reptile", on this and the old forum, has been chasing this incident and the cars for a number of years.  Maybe he'll repost some of his knowledge.

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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2018, 01:47:59 PM »
I am very interested in learning more about the crash, the location, the date, and the serial numbers of the cars involved.

Also, if anyone knows the numbers of the undamaged Shelbys on the same train.   
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2018, 03:46:59 PM »
The information that I have lists 14 cars total, the numbers are as follows:

#2240
#2270
#2339
#2363
#2365
#2511
#2621
#2679
#2702
#2757
#2759
#2801
#2807
#2946

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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2018, 06:53:26 PM »
Imagine the amount and variety of swear words that came out of CS's mouth that day!
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2018, 06:54:18 PM »
I've been looking into this with Greek for a bit.  Very interesting topic, but hard to find more info.  It would really help if we could figure out what rail road SA used to ship cars.

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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2018, 07:55:58 PM »
Imagine the amount and variety of swear words that came out of CS's mouth that day!

I am guessing the check from Ford cashed so he probably did not give a c*ap.

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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2018, 08:28:49 PM »
Registry says #2946 was sold..THROUGH...Santa Fe Salvage in LA to Southern Pacific Railroad, bought & picked up on 9/12......

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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2018, 09:53:12 PM »
Imagine the amount and variety of swear words that came out of CS's mouth that day!

I think it was more like “let’s make some extra money off the insurance company”!

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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2018, 11:29:25 PM »
I've been trying to find the old thread on the "Internet Archive" website, but so far no luck.

Dennis / gt350cs,
I think JD posted the ID #2807 as a match to a photo of a white GT350 that appeared the Mid-Ohio SAAC convention. I'll send you that photo.

Wedgeman,
I'm sure gt350cs knows of the registry info. He's hoping someone might have the actual dealer it was intended to be shipped to. That's something that should be noted on an invoice or Marti report.
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2018, 10:30:34 AM »
rich,

You are right it is the intended dealer that I am looking for. I have all but that one.

I will keep an eye out for the photo.

Thanks,

Dennis
 

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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2018, 01:31:29 PM »
Hi all,
This is a longtime unsolved cold case..we need several key pieces of info to solve this and I would really like to know exactly when and where it happened...
I met the heavy equipment operator in 1985 that claimed he did the site cleanup of this derailment...he has since passed away. We have seen the rail industry bought/sold/merged so many times
over 50 years that we may not get any more answers to our questions. I have asked if anyone knows who was responsible for car shipment by rail-Shelby had cars shipped this way for years,as well
as by Hadley Transport truck...At this point we only know most of the damaged cars were repaired and later sold. I would be happy to know the process of how a completed car was shipped out of
Shelby American. I think someone at Ford may help and will chase that lead as a next step.
R.R.

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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2018, 03:54:01 PM »
I am interested in seeing any pix of the train crash.

And maybe a few factual bullet points for those of us just now coming up to speed on the topic.

Thanks! 
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1968 GT500KR #2575 (1982-2022)
1970 Ranchero GT 429
1969 LTD Country Squire 429
1962 T-bird with 13k original miles
1957 T-bird E-model, dual fours, 3-speed stick

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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2018, 06:13:00 PM »
This is a mystery for sure.  There was/is a railroad line running from the Chevron El Segundo Refinery, past LAX, and terminated at Taylor Yard by Dodger Stadium.  Taylor Yard is where rail cars were transferred to other trains headed north, east, or south.  I am thinking the derailment happened sometime between June 27 and July 7,  since the replacement for my car(2339), 2340 was shipped in early July.  The fact that all of the cars were cycled through the Santa Fe Salvage Depot, which seems to have been in the Los Angeles area, leads me to believe the derailment happened in the Los Angeles area. Santa Fe Salvage Depot might have been on Santa Fe Street or in the town of Santa Fe Springs.  One of the cars(2759) was sold to its first owner by Glendale Ford.

I think the derailment happened on the way to or at Taylor Yard.  There are no ICC or DOT records of this derailment on open tracks during this time period.  Southern Pacific Railroad used that section of track during the time period in question and most likely the transporter due to the fact they assumed ownership of the cars.  My Marti Report indicates Southern Pacific Railroad as the selling dealer.

This is the conclusion I have come to with all of the research I have done.  This includes the following:

Talking with a former Southern Pacific Railraod Engineer
Contacting the Southern Pacific Railroad Historical Society
Contacting Stanford University Library where Southern Pacific Railroad archives are kept
BNSF Raiload

A last piece of the puzzle could be the paper trail.  Probably a memo to Shelby American from the railroad outlining the derailment, insurance memo with details of payment, or other documentation within Shelby American.  To date, I have not been successful on any of these fronts.

Greek

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