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Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2021, 09:02:06 PM »
Hey Guys,

I am sorry that I had not seen this conversation in the last few days but very neat thread here.

FWIW, the '1L 013' plates shown earlier in the thread were originally ran in the Targa Florio on the back of CSX2323...they now ride along on that car while the car's owner rips around the track as god intended...

The 1A number for the 4101 plates (hi performance motors dealer plate) was originally Carroll Shelby's number while 1B was Lew Spencer. You will notice the small "D" on the right of that set of plates...that means "duplicate". Mark Hovander has the original issue 1A plate (CS's) while the pair I had was the duplicate set issued when the twin to Mark's was apparently lost. As a result, there are three 1A plates in existence. These plates were sent to Ed Casey on the East Coast..he was the East Coast Shelby American rep. the 1L 013s were also sent to Casey after their time ripping around Europe was over.

To my knowledge, there are only 2 matched pairs of 013 plates in existence and only 1 matched pair of 4101 plates.

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« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2021, 09:32:35 PM »
Vern, thanks for that info on the 4101 plates ! Are the  plates on the car in my post #29 from Hi Performance ?

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« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2021, 11:05:27 PM »
Vern, thanks for that info on the 4101 plates ! Are the  plates on the car in my post #29 from Hi Performance ?

Mike

Yes sir, those DLR 4101 plates are all the dealer plates of HPM...keep in mind, though, there seem to be many occurrences where SAI comp cars ran in Europe also with 4101 plates affixed. If I am not mistaken, the reason for running the CA MFG and DLR plates while racing in Europe was to avoid the import duties while the cars were overseas? The running of a dealer plate on a car owned and run by the factory seems odd but it did happen. Maybe the cars were officially entered in the events under HPM sponsorship/ownership or maybe it is as simply as keeping the plates on the cars to avoid duties? I am not sure which..just an observation.

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Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2021, 11:22:56 PM »
Hey Guys,

FWIW, the '1L 013' plates shown earlier in the thread were originally ran in the Targa Florio on the back of CSX2323...they now ride along on that car while the car's owner rips around the track as god intended...

The 1A number for the 4101 plates (hi performance motors dealer plate) was originally Carroll Shelby's number while 1B was Lew Spencer. You will notice the small "D" on the right of that set of plates...that means "duplicate". Mark Hovander has the original issue 1A plate (CS's) while the pair I had was the duplicate set issued when the twin to Mark's was apparently lost. As a result, there are three 1A plates in existence. These plates were sent to Ed Casey on the East Coast..he was the East Coast Shelby American rep. the 1L 013s were also sent to Casey after their time ripping around Europe was over.

To my knowledge, there are only 2 matched pairs of 013 plates in existence and only 1 matched pair of 4101 plates.

Kind regards,
Vern

Vern,
Thank you for chiming in with '1L MFG' and with the '4101 DLR' dealer plate information.
That's very helpful.
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Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2021, 11:34:37 PM »
I think that this image, and some of the others from that sequence are well known here ? but what is the plate ? is it MFG ? It's

really tough to get a good scan, my machine is pretty old  ::) This is from Car and Driver, May 1965, with magazine lead times

 these could have been shot around February 1965.

Mike

edit: Google search is your friend found a clearer image on the Car & Driver website it is a dealer tag  ::) I'll get my coat   :P

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that is a Hi-Performance Motors dealer plate.
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« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2021, 11:37:55 PM »
The list in the first post has been updated on the Shelby American 'MFG 013' license plates

The Hi-Performance Motors dealer license plate list, 'DLR 4101' has been added here as as well.
I've decided to keep these lists together in this same thread.
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Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2021, 11:59:33 AM »
Probably old news but there is a place selling repops of the 1E MFG 013 plate. They also sell on ebay.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/270159764/ford-gt-350-shelby-cobra-mustang-1e-mfg?ref=hp_rv-1&frs=1
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« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2021, 03:31:52 PM »
Hello,

i am so interested that i looked also on new Pics to collect and the Backroundinformation also...

for the MFG 013 Plates i woul like to bring this one ...

3F MFG 013 CSX3178 Shelby personal 427 Cobra Charcoal Gray 1of5 color March 1966



My Plate Collection for DLR 4101 / Hi-Performance Motors are included this ones

1D DLR 4101 Motor Trend 05 / 65 and 6 Page Reprint Brochure



1E DLR 4101 Car Driver 05 1965 Repost from Honker



1F DLR 4101 Motor Trend 8 1966, tested together with the GT350 Supercharged 2X MFG 013



1L DRL 4101 Cobra 427 SuperSnake Twin Supercharger 1968 Road and Track
(hard to read, but when enlarged i truly think this should be right)


one of the interesting Pics / Plate / Car Combination is this one
1T DLR 4101 Prototyp GT350



later on the Cobra on LAX, this Pic was on 65 Press Pack, so i would say it is make very early on 1965




one of the Pics where i cant read the Plate, but surley was a DLR 4101 Plate is shown on the
65 GT350 on the LAX Open House Event 1965, between the R and 66 Prototyp


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Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2021, 05:21:52 PM »
1G 4101 was on 5S003 at LAX

1T 4101 was on a GT350 at Venice, possibly 003, but cannot be sure.  It was a very early car, possibly one of the prototypes before the first 3 arrived
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« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2021, 05:37:04 PM »
Thanks very much for the better Pic with 1T DLR 4101
the Pic was made inside of the Carter Building ...

so i would hardly suggest that the Pic i post from a Prototyp with the foil emblem on the Fender
is the same car that is inside Carter Ave ...
and also was converted into a pre-production status, this is a thougt i am really want to clear
or proof in my mind

on the other Pics from the same photo shooting it stands between the first 14 Advanced Prototypes
befor finished for Introduction Day on Riverside 27 1 1965



i have also found a pic for 1G MFG 013

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Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2021, 06:46:15 PM »

one of the Pics where i cant read the Plate, but surley was a DLR 4101 Plate is shown on the
65 GT350 on the LAX Open House Event 1965, between the R and 66 Prototyp



Stephan,
You're a madman! Your killing it with all these great photos / matching up with MFG and DLR plates.
If only we could get closer to the '66 GT350 inside the hanger at the SAI open house, maybe we could read that DLR plate.

I'll get these added to the list shortly!

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Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2021, 07:07:11 PM »
1G 4101 was on 5S003 at LAX

1T 4101 was on a GT350 at Venice, possibly 003, but cannot be sure.  It was a very early car, possibly one of the prototypes before the first 3 arrived

Charles, thank you for posting these pictures!
The '1T DLR 4101' plate inside Carter street, Venice, appears to be the Prototype that Stephan posted the front 3/4 view of earlier.
I've never seen (or read) anything of that 'MUSTANG GT' fender lettering on any other car.

The LAX photo is very interesting with that square panel taped over the right side next to the taillight.
You suggesting that is a photo of 5s003 has me extra curious. I've got to look into that.
I'm looking forward to adding it to the list.
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Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2021, 07:13:48 PM »

i have also found a pic for 1G MFG 013




That's a great photo, and 'new to me'! NICE!

This '1G' plated car might be either csx2301 or csx2345.
We have the other two FIA Cobra's identified for Targa Florio (the first race in Europe after Sebring)!
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« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2021, 08:33:54 PM »
Rich, in post #38 I wonder if that is 5S003 with the tape by the right tail light, is it possible there could have been a prototypical

 GT350 emblem there ? In the 2019 '65 registry in the write up for 5S003 it says "filling of minor holes in body", also on page 11,

 there is a pic of 5S003 with the GT350 emblem on the rear. I'm not sure about the time frames around all this.

Question ? were rear panel GT350 emblems in place on later cars in production and not early cars ? I seem to remember some

 information about non striped cars being able to be identified as a Shelby from the rear ?

This is all speculation on my part.

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« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2021, 08:54:02 PM »

Rich, in post #38 I wonder if that is 5S003 with the tape by the right tail light, is it possible there could have been a prototypical

 GT350 emblem there ? In the 2019 '65 registry in the write up for 5S003 it says "filling of minor holes in body", also on page 11,

 there is a pic of 5S003 with the GT350 emblem on the rear. I'm not sure about the time frames around all this.

Question ? were rear panel GT350 emblems in place on later cars in production and not early cars ? I seem to remember some

 information about non striped cars being able to be identified as a Shelby from the rear ?

This is all speculation on my part.

Mike

Charles was correct! That is 5s003.
That is a close up of the famous interior photo of the race hanger. The second photo was taken at 90 degrees to it, from the front.

Regarding the emblem, I recall the past conversations, but don't recall the exact details.
-One of the R models noted to be in the same photo (5r100) did not show a rear tail panel emblem on it when racing at Bridgehampton September 19, 1965.
-5s003 did show a taillight panel emblem, in the PR photos taken on Benedict Canyon Drive, noted as February 1965.


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