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1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« on: September 02, 2022, 01:18:41 PM »
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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2022, 04:01:43 PM »
Tried to sell it on ebay for a while. 

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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2022, 05:46:29 PM »
I love your car, if I didn't already own one I would buy it... Best of luck on the sale!
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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2022, 11:08:51 AM »
Very nice unrestored body. Hard to see from trunk pictures but would expect to see glue residue evidence for two missing stickers on underside of trunk deck lid. Silver Manufacturer’s Cert. and space saver instructions.

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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2022, 11:02:10 PM »
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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2022, 06:28:34 AM »
Very nice unrestored body. Hard to see from trunk pictures but would expect to see glue residue evidence for two missing stickers on underside of trunk deck lid. Silver Manufacturer’s Cert. and space saver instructions.
it is obvious to me the underside of the trunk has the original paint. I am not sure that Shelbys got that silver rectangular sticker as my car never had it and had original paint in the trunk but had the SS and Jack stickers. My car was also an export car.
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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2022, 10:07:32 AM »
I'll wait for the push back on this: the engine is wrong for the car and isn't that one the more desirable components that drives value and in turn price.  I credit the seller for being truthful in telling us but the comments on "originality" as an overall simply miss the mark imo.  The flip side=if this thing goes for above 90k with the wrong engine, all it does is help us '69/'70 owners with the correct engine.

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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2022, 10:35:16 AM »
While your point is valid and probably spot on because the Bring a Trailer bidders seem to have a preoccupation with "numbers matching"

They do so at the expense of originality in other areas. I have seen a couple of cars with questionable histories, incorrect body panels and reproduction tags. It makes no sense.

On some levels it is really quite alarming what they are paying top dollar for ...Often without inspecting the cars



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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2022, 11:09:57 AM »
I'll wait for the push back on this: the engine is wrong for the car and isn't that one the more desirable components that drives value and in turn price.  I credit the seller for being truthful in telling us but the comments on "originality" as an overall simply miss the mark imo.  The flip side=if this thing goes for above 90k with the wrong engine, all it does is help us '69/'70 owners with the correct engine.
Numbers matching to me is a new found tool on many of our Ford collector cars. For over 40 years in the hobby it wasn't an issue with me but at least one friend it was. We are/were  more preoccupied with a correct engine and it date coded correct the better. Especially manual CJ cars every one I have owned in my life had a replacement engine. One car(GT500) the SCJ was replaced with a CJ because the early 70s the car was raced and they dropped a fresh race engine in it. They didn't care about LeMans rods in an engine. I remember in the early 90s when a red L88 67 Vette Coupe with a non original correct L88 sold for 500K(set a record) according to an article in Vette magazine. Then Milt Robson's 71 HEMI Cuda vert was the first over a million dollars(raced at one time) and didn't have it's original engine. Maybe some experts can tell me how much more a numbers matching car  should fetch over a non matching correct date coded engine.
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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2022, 11:26:39 AM »
Its always been in the 10-20% range

Its great to have if you can authenticate it.

But if you have a rebody with fake tags, I submit you have gained nothing 

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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2022, 11:43:13 AM »
While your point is valid and probably spot on because the Bring a Trailer bidders seem to have a preoccupation with "numbers matching"

They do so at the expense of originality in other areas. I have seen a couple of cars with questionable histories, incorrect body panels and reproduction tags. It makes no sense.

On some levels it is really quite alarming what they are paying top dollar for ...Often without inspecting the cars


I agree with you 100%, I have some matching numbers cars and some that don't - but for me if the body is original that is really all I care about - if it has a "numbers matching" engine that's a plus.

The joke to me is people care so much about numbers but have no idea as to the correct font and size of the stamps. On ford engines (which for the most part are hand stamps) it's just silly, anyone with a correct stamp set can hand stamp any non hp block and now have a matching numbers car. Many people do not know that only HP engine were required to carry a vin stamp.

I always get a laugh out of guys with "matching numbers" 427 corvette's on a decked block with the wrong font.   
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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2022, 12:52:04 PM »
While your point is valid and probably spot on because the Bring a Trailer bidders seem to have a preoccupation with "numbers matching"

They do so at the expense of originality in other areas. I have seen a couple of cars with questionable histories, incorrect body panels and reproduction tags. It makes no sense.

On some levels it is really quite alarming what they are paying top dollar for ...Often without inspecting the cars


I agree with you 100%, I have some matching numbers cars and some that don't - but for me if the body is original that is really all I care about - if it has a "numbers matching" engine that's a plus.

The joke to me is people care so much about numbers but have no idea as to the correct font and size of the stamps. On ford engines (which for the most part are hand stamps) it's just silly, anyone with a correct stamp set can hand stamp any non hp block and now have a matching numbers car. Many people do not know that only HP engine were required to carry a vin stamp.

I always get a laugh out of guys with "matching numbers" 427 corvette's on a decked block with the wrong font.   
Since we are talking about a 1969 car at auction lets be clear. 1968 and up should have vin stamps on blocks and trans. Later 67 Shelbys the 289 HP blocks were not vin stamped.65-67 (early-mid) all 289 HP cars should have had their blocks stamped.  I've seen a "few" numbers matching cars for sale that I'm pretty sure were re-stamped. Good bones are the #1 priority and then a correct engine. NM like you said is a bonus. The car below has a non matching numbers drivetrain with an unstamped block built 4 months after the car(Warranty) but how many SCJ 4 speed drag pack Mustangs really have their original engines still intact. I didn't think twice about buying it.
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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2022, 05:14:32 PM »
Sold for 87k, someone did very well and bought a fantastic car for the money!
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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2022, 11:32:11 PM »
That was a steal in my books as lots of value there for the $ if u like originality or getting your $ worth!!!

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Re: 1969 GT500 on BaT 9F02R482579
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2022, 05:50:04 PM »
That was a steal in my books as lots of value there for the $ if u like originality or getting your $ worth!!!
I know a guy who passed on it many years ago and is now wished  that he had bid on it on the BaT auction.  My opinion from the pics is someone got a really good deal on that car.
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