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shelbymann1970

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enhancing a photo
« on: December 28, 2022, 02:18:56 PM »
Is it possible to enhance this photo? Many years ago I tried blowing it up to read the Goodyear tires on it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2022, 02:59:50 PM »
Here's a photo I have in my files, looks to be the same car, same location, slushy snow, mud. Could that be taken at the A.O. Smith

 plant, or KarKraft ? ?

Doesn't help the op though for tire identification  ???

Maybe the second image helps a bit ?

Mike
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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2022, 03:15:07 PM »
There was only one RWL tire used to the best of my knowledge

The Goodyear F60x15 "no size"
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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2022, 03:22:19 PM »
The photo was the latch batch of Shelbys leaving Kar Kraft spring of 1970. From ao smith all left with no size. What about Kar Kraft. Things happened at the plant and with cars leaving into the spring of 1970 was it possible some left with size tires? They had theft issues . Tire issues etc . 1971 pics of my Shelby show size tires on it in Europe. Itís been discussed before on SAAC 1.0. After talking to Larry L rip a few years I wonder on a few things.
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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2022, 05:16:47 PM »
A lot of changes were made on cars once they got to Europe to comply with various countries laws.

I would say any variations would be an exception to the rule and not typical
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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2022, 05:25:06 PM »
I believe since I have pics of my car with  a few thousand kilometers on it that the size tires were on it when it left KK in Feb of 1970. I have circa 1973-4 pics and the car has Radial T/As on it.
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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2022, 08:34:55 PM »
Here's a photo I have in my files, looks to be the same car, same location, slushy snow, mud. Could that be taken at the A.O. Smith

 plant, or KarKraft ? ?

Doesn't help the op though for tire identification  ???

Maybe the second image helps a bit ?

Mike
Second image when blown up confirms the typical no size tires.
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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2022, 12:23:07 AM »
Here's a photo I have in my files, looks to be the same car, same location, slushy snow, mud. Could that be taken at the A.O. Smith

 plant, or KarKraft ? ?

Doesn't help the op though for tire identification  ???

Maybe the second image helps a bit ?

Mike
Second image when blown up confirms the typical no size tires.
Second image? I posted 1 image from KK in the intial post. The pic with the young lady I do no5t think it is the same car or time frame that my image from Larry Lawrance was taken. Extra photos added just muddies the waters even though I have not seen that pic before. Could they be the same car? possibly. All I want to do is enhance the original pic I posted. We discussed this scenario over a decade ago Bob and ,respectfully, I do not agree with you my car left KK with no size tires in Feb 1970 with proof from my pics from late 70 early 71 from Europe.
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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2022, 04:48:51 AM »
The time frame alone really does not prove the claim.

I will show you another example of a car that left the factory with one tire and later had a different tire when it appeared in Europe. The total time span was probably less than a few weeks.
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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2022, 05:12:23 AM »
Car at Paris Auto Show 1967 with tires as built



Same car, same auto show in 1967, different tires



If you only saw the second photo, it would be easy to say the car "came with" black side wall tires.

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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2022, 08:40:40 AM »
Car at Paris Auto Show 1967 with tires as built



Same car, same auto show in 1967, different tires



If you only saw the second photo, it would be easy to say the car "came with" black side wall tires.

Different Photos so my guess is, not the same Auto Show.  Hub Cap is in different Position.  Car has been moved.

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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2022, 08:48:16 AM »
There is no question on the evidence provided. At the time the pictures were taken there was only one GT350 fastback.

I have also cropped the pictures for this post.

Nice try though...

If you can provide any evidence to the contrary other than wild speculation please do.
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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2022, 10:00:57 AM »
Same Car, YES, Different Photos, YES.

Hub Cap is rotated (look at Snake & Valve Stem)
Also Different Floor.

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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2022, 11:19:18 AM »
Is this about the tire size change to 60 series in '69? Isn't the a spindle change over after a certain build date and those cars would have '60s?

'70 Shelby's could be before or after that date?
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Re: enhancing a photo
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2022, 11:21:30 AM »
Same Car, YES, Different Photos, YES.

Hub Cap is rotated (look at Snake & Valve Stem)
Also Different Floor.
My car the second owner bought in late 70 or early 71 with 3K kilometers on it from Claude DuBois. He took pics of it and I got them a decade ago. He said he never changed out the Goodyears for Goodyears right after buying it. It isn't a tire fryer GT500 so why the size tires?  A few possible reasons have been given to me over the years as to wht no size when it came to KK and size tires when it left KK in Feb of 1970. So is the only shot of the last batch of 1970s leaving KK in 1970. It would be cool if we could blow up the pic and enhance it.
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