Ford wants their car back

[98SVT - was 06GT]

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/03/05/ford-files-patent-systems-repossess-vehicles-locking-features-self-driving-capabilities/

[67 GT350]

Has it gotten to the point yet where we just will not want anything past 1996 yet?

[deathsled]

Simpler times.  Bring me back to simpler times.

[FL SAAC]

We in trouble now bosssssss!

[557]

Another good reason to pay cash..
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[deathsled]

Pay cash?  You will pay in digital coin and you will like it!  Actually you will own nuthin and be happy.  Eat zee bugs!

[Side-Oilers]

Okay, so this thread is about near-future vehicles and the ability of what I call The Evil Eye In The Sky (FoMoCo, in this case) to shut you down, wherever you are. For whatever reason "they" deem prudent.

A natural extension of such over-reaching control of personal property leads minds to think of other things that TEEITS could control with the push of a button from far, far, away.   

One possiblity: What happens when the federal gov't forces digital money on us, and eliminates/outlaws all other forms of fiat currency?

Capitalism and free enterprise are doomed. 

Why?

TEEITS can/will turn off the digital spigot of funds anytime they want, for any made-up reason.

They can/will tax and devaluate your digi-currency, for any made-up reason.

They can/will freeze all of your digital assets at the push of a button, for any made-up reason.

Not to mention the very real possibility of your entire digital worth being hacked, stolen and/or obliterated.


The Barbarians are nearing the gate.

Some businesses right now are displaying signs reading "No Cash!" 
I can't see how that is legal.  (Richard...please explain.)

To refuse to abide by this sign-writing ridiculousness, all a customer has to do is to take any denomination bill out of their wallet and read one sentence out-loud to the person behind the counter: "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private." 

I've read it out-loud so many times in the past two years that it's indelibly imprinted on my brain. I am always sure to speak slowly and emphasize "Legal Tender for ALL Debts." 

When the snowflake employee inevitably shrugs and points to his/her hand-scrawled sign (usually in pretty crayon colors) I say: "What part of ALL DEBTS don't you understand?  I then lay down the appropriate denomination of bill and stand there. If he/she won't take it, I leave the item I was going to purchase and walk out. 

So, cash is already being refused  And, unless you live completely off-the-grid and can survive that way, barter can only take you so far. 

Tomorrow's world will be even worse. Glad I'm not any younger. At least I won't have to deal with it for long. I feel badly for our kids and grandkids.

Ford's press release that began this thread tries to put a happy spin on its over-reach. It'll probably snow some people. The flakes, for certain.


Me, I'm outta here...

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I'd smoke 'em even further, but I ran out of track. 

[98SVT - was 06GT]

To refuse to abide by this sign-writing ridiculousness, all a customer has to do is to take any denomination bill out of their wallet and read one sentence out-loud to the person behind the counter: "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private." 

So, cash is already being refused  And, unless you live completely off-the-grid and can survive that way, barter can only take you so far. 

100% agree - however if they refuse to sell you the item is it a debt? You owe them nothing until they are willing to transfer the item to you. I'd approach it as an age discrimination case and get the feds involved. Should make a good Fox news story - of course on CNN they'll spin it as you are an economic terrorist.

[Side-Oilers]

Brett:
Good point on the "is it a debt" question. I hope Richard will weigh-in on this.   

I like the age discrimination angle. I'll start using that.  "I'm too old and feeble-minded to understand how to tap or swipe anything."

Besides, my parents taught me not to swipe anything from anyone. Especially not in a store. 

I'm old and feeble. Did I already say that? 

[deathsled]

Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?
There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law that says otherwise.

Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States coins and currency [including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve Banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues." This statute means that all U.S. money as identified above is a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor.
Taken from the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve web page.  Operative words "unless there is a state law that says otherwise."

[Side-Oilers]

Well, that sucks for us cash lovers. But, I'm going to keep up my check-out protests anyway.

[crossboss]

Okay, so this thread is about near-future vehicles and the ability of what I call The Evil Eye In The Sky (FoMoCo, in this case) to shut you down, wherever you are. For whatever reason "they" deem prudent.

A natural extension of such over-reaching control of personal property leads minds to think of other things that TEEITS could control with the push of a button from far, far, away.   

One possiblity: What happens when the federal gov't forces digital money on us, and eliminates/outlaws all other forms of fiat currency?

Capitalism and free enterprise are doomed. 

Why?

TEEITS can/will turn off the digital spigot of funds anytime they want, for any made-up reason.

They can/will tax and devaluate your digi-currency, for any made-up reason.

They can/will freeze all of your digital assets at the push of a button, for any made-up reason.

Not to mention the very real possibility of your entire digital worth being hacked, stolen and/or obliterated.


The Barbarians are nearing the gate.

Some businesses right now are displaying signs reading "No Cash!" 
I can't see how that is legal.  (Richard...please explain.)

To refuse to abide by this sign-writing ridiculousness, all a customer has to do is to take any denomination bill out of their wallet and read one sentence out-loud to the person behind the counter: "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private." 

I've read it out-loud so many times in the past two years that it's indelibly imprinted on my brain. I am always sure to speak slowly and emphasize "Legal Tender for ALL Debts." 

When the snowflake employee inevitably shrugs and points to his/her hand-scrawled sign (usually in pretty crayon colors) I say: "What part of ALL DEBTS don't you understand?  I then lay down the appropriate denomination of bill and stand there. If he/she won't take it, I leave the item I was going to purchase and walk out. 

So, cash is already being refused  And, unless you live completely off-the-grid and can survive that way, barter can only take you so far. 

Tomorrow's world will be even worse. Glad I'm not any younger. At least I won't have to deal with it for long. I feel badly for our kids and grandkids.

Ford's press release that began this thread tries to put a happy spin on its over-reach. It'll probably snow some people. The flakes, for certain.


Me, I'm outta here...

1st gear                                                 2nd gear                                                     3rd gear                       4th gear                            XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXpowershiftXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXpowershiftXXXXXXXXXxxxxpowershiftXXxxxxxxxxxx

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I'd smoke 'em even further, but I ran out of track.

I whole heartly agree with Van's comments. I will never buy a 'new' car again.

[pmustang]

It is quite amazing how we are all being led down this garden path

The problems I have with even basic business interactions these days (read: banks) does not bode well for the future when there will be even fewer people to speak with (after an hour on hold) who can sort out the issues caused by their systems

[FL SAAC]

It is quite amazing how we are all being led down this garden path

The problems I have with even basic business interactions these days (read: banks) does not bode well for the future when there will be even fewer people to speak with (after an hour on hold) who can sort out the issues caused by their systems

+ 1 you hit the nail right on the head