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69 GT350 starter
« on: March 18, 2023, 04:46:19 PM »
Can someone ID the correct starter for a 69 GT350, automatic? I have a few but they do not have any stampings.

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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2023, 05:27:18 PM »
Can someone ID the correct starter for a 69 GT350, automatic? I have a few but they do not have any stampings.
Can you post a couple of pictures of the 2 ear starters you have? The one you are requiring about is one of the most common style starters.
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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2023, 02:13:54 PM »
I am not able to add photos for some reason.

Of the four starters I have one reads, American Motors 3212235-USA 5KD8 or B

One reads, DOAF-B  date may be 9JAC.

One reads, D15D, 3 70

One has a different attachment on the end for the cable, has no markings other a number 4 on that case.

All have the nose piece, D2AF

Not sure if this helps


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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2023, 02:35:00 PM »
I dont think any are correct for a 1969 Shelby
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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2023, 03:20:41 PM »
Appreciate your help.

 I also have one starter is excellent condition with zero wear and the C3OF end does not even show ever being attached, no bolt markings and no markings at all on the housing. Any idea what this could be used for? I purchased a lot of 65-66 NOS parts and this was part of the lot.

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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2023, 05:24:27 PM »
I am not able to add photos for some reason.

Of the four starters I have one reads, American Motors 3212235-USA 5KD8 or B

One reads, DOAF-B  date may be 9JAC.

One reads, D15D, 3 70

One has a different attachment on the end for the cable, has no markings other a number 4 on that case.

All have the nose piece, D2AF

Not sure if this helps
You can't count on any engineering numbers to correct on a  engine unless a super low mileage and unmessed with engine related components. Unfortunately for the engine you are working on is that the starter will have the numbers metal stamped into the barrel section of the starter assembly. The engineering number on the starter will have a C9 prefix to even be in the running. It is very common for parts used to rebuild starters are taken from a pile of unrelated disassembled starters.It is easy to make wrong numbers go away with body work but very hard to put correct ones into to a barrel section that has been cleared of offending numbers and letters.
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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2023, 05:30:00 PM »
Wouldnt the easy answer be the number that should be on the starter?

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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2023, 05:34:32 PM »
I am not able to add photos for some reason.

Of the four starters I have one reads, American Motors 3212235-USA 5KD8 or B

One reads, DOAF-B  date may be 9JAC.

One reads, D15D, 3 70

One has a different attachment on the end for the cable, has no markings other a number 4 on that case.

All have the nose piece, D2AF

Not sure if this helps
The nose cones are all wrong and have different details compared to period original based on your description. A D0AF means 1970 .D stands for the decade and the number after stands for year of the decade. The 1970 and up nose cones have strengthening gussets added that the 60's version do not have along with other details that can be identified as historically wrong once installed. The stop bolt on the mid section of the barrel will have a square shape not a Phillips. These are just a few historical details on the starter . There are more. You will need to make some choices. Of course what is it worth to yu for a correct looking one is just one of the choices to consider . There are a number of others.   
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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2023, 05:36:02 PM »
Wouldnt the easy answer be the number that should be on the starter?
You must not have read reply # 5 which explains why it is not a easy answer.  ;)
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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2023, 05:37:44 PM »
I dont think any are correct for a 1969 Shelby
+1 . Non were original on a 69 GT350.
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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2023, 05:44:11 PM »
I am not able to add photos for some reason.

Of the four starters I have one reads, American Motors 3212235-USA 5KD8 or B

One reads, DOAF-B  date may be 9JAC.

One reads, D15D, 3 70

One has a different attachment on the end for the cable, has no markings other a number 4 on that case.

All have the nose piece, D2AF

Not sure if this helps
The first picture looks like a later model based on the odd shape. It most closley resembles one for a 4 speed but as I said it is hard to tell because it looks clompletly foriegn compared to the 60's starters I am used to working with. The last set of pictures is of another rebuilt starter that someone with a little bit of historical knowledge has applied and tried to make look assemblyline . Close but no cigar. Many starters will work because the one you need is one of the most common styles . Appearance differed between years.   
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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2023, 10:01:50 PM »
I would expect to see an AUTOLITE starter die stamped with C7AF-11001-B followed by a date code that corresponds/would pre-date the build date of your car.   As Bob stated, it is probably one of the most common starters of the era because it fit several engine across several years. 

Not the greatest picture on short notice, but you get the idea.  You can start to see the 9Fxx date code after the part number, which would be June 1969.
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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2023, 10:03:23 PM »
I would expect to see an AUTOLITE starter die stamped with C7AF-11001-B followed by a date code that corresponds/would pre-date the build date of your car.   As Bob stated, it is probably one of the most common starters of there era because it fit several engine across several years.
That one would be for 67 and 68.
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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2023, 10:20:16 PM »

Bob, the only three C9 casting numbered starters are the BOSS 429 C9AF-A, 390cid C9AF-B, and the 250cid six cylinder C9ZF-A.  The 250 starter would work but is not technically listed for a 351cid, like the C7AF-B.  The other two, as you know, wont work at all.  Even the 69 BOSS 302 used a C7AF-F, which was carried over into the 1970 model year when replaced by the D0AF-C around January 1970.
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Re: 69 GT350 starter
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2023, 11:06:55 PM »


Bob, the only three C9 casting numbered starters are the BOSS 429 C9AF-A, 390cid C9AF-B, and the 250cid six cylinder C9ZF-A.  The 250 starter would work but is not technically listed for a 351cid, like the C7AF-B.  The other two, as you know, wont work at all.  Even the 69 BOSS 302 used a C7AF-F, which was carried over into the 1970 model year when replaced by the D0AF-C.
  Interesting . I know that the C9ZF-A will work on a 351 automatic and so will the C7AF-B . Thanks. Will still keep an eye and mind open and look for examples though they may never appear.
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